PC Simon Harwood cleared of G20 manslaughter

[donnymo66]

i remember seeing the clip how the jury can sleep at night is beyond me this is as bad as the cops who shot the guy on the underground

[super jumbe]

Originally Posted by donnymo66
i remember seeing the clip how the jury can sleep at night is beyond me this is as bad as the cops who shot the guy on the underground





Canker_Canison said (that video had no audio of any) people like him can argue all day and those are the people in court who makes the decision, it doesn?t matter even the odds are 1 to 10.

So if you hang some 1 you want to hear the audio and not the video

[johnboy1974]

The jury (civilians) found him not guilty and I'm sure they had access to more info than the rest of us. A quick google will show a few longer videos than the snippets shown on the news.

In one you can see a line of Police with dogs herding the crowds out of a side street. The guy who died could be seen ignoring the Police when they tried to move him on. At one stage you could see a Police dog being held back to prevent it biting him. The Policeman that hit him then comes in from the side, hits him then a few seconds later pushes him forward. Whilst this is going on you can hear the rioters shouting and screaming and seeing missiles being thrown. Probably not the best time to stop someone, read him his rights then arrest him. Probably even harder considering all the cells for miles around were already full.

You then see another vidoe of the guy collapsing in the street and Police medics trying to tend to him. As they're doing this the rioters lobs bottles etc so the Police have to form a cordon to protect the medics and the guy.

A lot are under the impression the Policeman murdered him but we don't know the facts. We've all seen videos of rioters knocking innocent people out and robbing them, who knows maybe he's been beaten up and robbed before hand or even afterwards. There's always two sides to a story.

It's nice to be in a position where you've not had to rely on the Police to save your lives etc. To call them scum, bast@@@ etc but trust me the first time you need them you'll be crying like a baby if they're not there for you. I know not all Police are decent. I've had a couple of occasions where I've dealt with some who are complete dick heads but I've also dealt with more of the public that are ten times worse.

So why was he the only cop out of hundreds present that felt the need to batter that man to the ground???????

No provocation and no threat.

[Snowy79]

Maybe if more cops and decent locals had beaten a few more people to the ground the streets would have been cleared sooner and less innocent hard working people would have lost their livelyhoods.

They weren't policing a nursery group. They were involved in the worst riots the UK had seen where innocent people had already been killed.

If you know anything about riot control you will know that the Police form a line and at set signals make a gap to allow those with full body protection to run forward and either grab a ring leader or smack those showing resistance. Resistance is anything from trying to build barriers to deliberately holding the Police back.

For all we know the Policeman who hit him could have been giving 360deg cover to those without full protection. He'd have been looking around regularly in all directions trying to suss out the situation. The Police would have been shouting and ordering those in their way to back off. If a few times he looked around and the same person was still in the way he would have been a viable target.I'm not saying it was the right thing to do just a possible scenario.

How would you feel if rioters were outside your property. Smashing up your car and setting fires. A riot squad turn up and do nothing ? I'm pretty certain you'd be spouting off about how useless they were and wanting someone punished. Until you've been in that situation it's easy to be judgemental.

[tshirtman]

They weren't policing a nursery group. They were involved in the worst riots the UK had seen where innocent people had already been killed.

What riots???

this was the G20 protests, and yes an innocent man was killed, he was called, Ian Tomlinson, and he was killed by a copper,
this copper wasn't watching his own or anyone else back, he clearly assaulted a bloke who had his hands in his pockets and was walking away, tell me what threat he posed to anyone,
he is nothing but a bully and a little/big man in a uniform who thought he was above the law.
I hope he gets sacked, looses his pension, and never gets another job for the rest of his life.

you need to read this article about this scumbag copper's previous record.
Pc Simon Harwood - 10 complaints in 12 years for the ***039;red mist***039; officer - Crime - UK - The Independent
I'm also trained and licensed by the home office to use control and restraint, and if that was me I'd be banged up, that's for sure.

[DogdySnigwirter]

An ex Police officer/teacher who now lives in Grimsby, worked at an all boys school in the eighties for lads who either had gone astray or had 'special' needs.
For approx the 6 yrs he worked/lived there (in house accomodation) he made himself very friendly to at least five of the boys. A few of those five told of others who just want to get on with their lives and no longer talk of their past.

He has been arrested several times over these incidents at different times in his life without any of the victims knowing the others made allegations.
2 years ago a another allegation came to light and a long and lengthy investigation was put together. A total of 12 charges were made from ex pupils who live in various parts of this country and also abroad even as far as Australia. Some of the pupils have even changed their names. The investigating team had their work cut out but eventually put an excellant case together.
The female officer who was implemental in putting this case forward for prosecution described it as 'sickening' and at times was almost reduced to tears. Those lads were as young as eleven.


He has not been charged for any of the 12+ offences he committed because of 'technical' issues involving the way he got arrested NOT innocence ??
How does that work then? These guys arrest people every day during their career and then suddenly ex officer has to be nicked and they get it wrong ?? Bent as a three pound coin!!

The ex officer/teacher is now living in Grimsby and is aged 63/63 an age where he is still able to commit offences.

Not all coppers are ba5tard5 ... some are VVankers !!

[Snowy79]

I clicked on the link and all it says is he was a teacher. No mention of being an ex policeman and also stating that he's up in court on the 23rd August. If he's a kiddie fiddler he deserves to be used for medical research but I won't tar all teachers with the same brush

[DogdySnigwirter]

I clicked on the link and all it says is he was a teacher. No mention of being an ex policeman and also stating that he's up in court on the 23rd August. If he's a kiddie fiddler he deserves to be used for medical research but I won't tar all teachers with the same brush

I was a pupil in that school and gave a statement regarding two of the lads who tried for justice. He was an ex copper and knew the system. I gave a link to one news page, there are others. There was another ex officer, his abuse was physical not sexual. There are very few coppers I would trust but the majority as I see it are there for themselves be it through bullying etc or backhanders. These people are here to serve not help themselves.
They need the public a lot more than they think.
Without the local grass's help or crimestoppers offering cash I doubt they could finish a game of Cluedo off their own backs!!

[johnboy1974]

Maybe if more cops and decent locals had beaten a few more people to the ground the streets would have been cleared sooner and less innocent hard working people would have lost their livelyhoods.

They weren't policing a nursery group. They were involved in the worst riots the UK had seen where innocent people had already been killed.

If you know anything about riot control you will know that the Police form a line and at set signals make a gap to allow those with full body protection to run forward and either grab a ring leader or smack those showing resistance. Resistance is anything from trying to build barriers to deliberately holding the Police back.

For all we know the Policeman who hit him could have been giving 360deg cover to those without full protection. He'd have been looking around regularly in all directions trying to suss out the situation. The Police would have been shouting and ordering those in their way to back off. If a few times he looked around and the same person was still in the way he would have been a viable target.I'm not saying it was the right thing to do just a possible scenario.

How would you feel if rioters were outside your property. Smashing up your car and setting fires. A riot squad turn up and do nothing ? I'm pretty certain you'd be spouting off about how useless they were and wanting someone punished. Until you've been in that situation it's easy to be judgemental.

This thread is not about how wonderful our police are at handling riots- its about a cop who assaulted a member of the public getting off with it. Have you watched the video!!!