Paying tradesmen cash in hand morally wrong - minister

[lee_hdi]

You never make any money if you are paying tax.

Which tradesmen is the customer going to? The guy who'll do it for ?1000 cash-in-hand or the guy who wants ?1600 as he's legit??
Both will do the job the exact same and offer guarantee

[Meat-Head]

would guess some MP has been caught out by a gypo tar macing his drive and wants his money back.

everytime i try get told no!

[lee_hdi]

would guess some MP has been caught out by a gypo tar macing his drive and wants his money back.

everytime i try get told no!

Ask them if they "wanna buy a dag" to sweeten the deal!

[Meat-Head]

Ask them if they "wanna buy a dag" to sweeten the deal!

OFF TOPIC:-

Buy a what? or are you refering to a dawg?

[lee_hdi]

OFF TOPIC:-

Buy a what? or are you refering to a dawg?

It's dag in Snatch

[Hoppy01]

so you are saying everything was fine under labour blair and brown the barstewards flooded the country with cheap labour so the working man like me had to work for less or not have work .It was blair and Brown that broke this country it was foaked when this shower came in but I notice the loony left seem to forget that. If you think that Red Ed will save the country I think you will be very disappointed .But I would be better off . in a few weeks he would have to get a loan off the IMF like Harold Wilson interest rates would rocket and hi pesto I would be better off

A don't think Labour is the answer mate, il go you one better, a thought Lib Dems were the answer and that's who a voted for, you can imagine how stupid a felt after the election.

A actually took ma time and had a think about it, the poles suggested a hung parliament and a Labour Lib Dem coalition looked promising, maybe even desirable!
The Lib Dems would wind New Labour in a bit and the two could have made a genuine coalition as they are not too far apart on most things.
We know public cuts were required but they wouldn't be as brutal as they are and am pretty sure the obscene rich might have got tanked a little harder, as would their criminal banker friends.

A couldn't believe my eyes when two parties with "huge" fundamental differences, culture and principles, could smooth over the cracks so easily.
Cracks is maybe the wrong word, its more like mountain valleys, talk about sell out of the century..
We have Cameron who's job depends on some kind of premiership and Clegg who went from the most promising modern politician,to instant lap dog bitch..

The Lib Dem negotiators made a pigs ear of it and would have accomplished a lot more in a LabLib coalition, Clegg hated Brown but Brown made it clear he was stepping down as leader so imo there was a perfect chance for Clegg to shine..
Then Cameron promises him the world and that gullible idiot Clegg falls for it and condemns his party to extinction..
Everyone i know who voted Lib Dem are disgusted at this freak coalition and they are fooling nobody..

So who do i vote for next election,, il vote for anything that gets these clowns out as long as it can open its gub and make a noise...

[ray156]

want rid of libcon

answer:everyone vote snp inc england....hehe.

[TheCoder]

A couldn't believe my eyes when two parties with "huge" fundamental differences, culture and principles, could smooth over the cracks so easily....

When it comes down to it there is no fundamental difference between any of the parties. They all have exactly the same goal - getting into power no matter the cost !

As for the morality of avoiding tax, well, tax itself is morally wrong (its nothing more than a 'legalised' protection racket type of extortion) so can you say the non compliance with an immoral system is in itself immoral ?

[fes_786]

why not inflate the tax on the bankers bonuses say 50/60% that would benefit the economy

but i bet banks will find a new scheme to get round it and the government wont even entertain the idea of uping taxs on bonuses .etc

[gmb45]

good thread by yours truly

good clean debate, no slagging each other off, only slagging off scumbag, crooked, 2 faced, lying, cheating, corrupt, bassad mps.

i love to hate them

[gmb45]

update: Cash ?n blab

~~~~ me says it all this just shows ya what mps are like.


Government row on 'immoral deals' Cash in hand ... David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Boris Johnson

DAVID Cameron, Boris Johnson and Nick Clegg admitted they had paid tradesmen cash-in-hand yesterday.

They owned up hours after a Treasury minister said the practice was morally wrong.


'Didn't dodge tax' ... Jeremy Hunt

David Gauke attacked people who give plumbers, builders and electricians cash in return for a discount claiming it helped tax dodgers.

His comments plunged the Government into turmoil with some ministers admitting paying cash, while others insisted they did not.

A Downing Street spokesman said: The PM has probably paid cash-in-hand.

>>>But he has never done it to get a discount or avoid tax.<<<
( yeh right )

Spokesmen for Deputy PM Mr Clegg and Chancellor George Osborne gave the same answer.

London Mayor Boris Johnson admitted:Ive certainly paid a lot of cash in hand.

Other ministers said they never paid cash or side-stepped the question.

Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt merely said:I havent dodged tax.

Asked if he made cash payments, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles replied: Certainly not.

The Treasury tried to clarify Mr Gaukes comments, saying it was fine to pay cash as long as it was not to help tradesmen dodge tax.


Cash ... for tradesmen

But Labour leader Ed Miliband said ministers should focus on millionaire tax dodgers instead of tradesmen.

Labour MP John Mann accused the Government of picking on the working class.

And the National Federation of Builders said ministers could solve the problem by slashing VAT for tradesmen.
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Cameron, Boris Johnson and Nick Clegg admit they had paid tradesmen cash-in-hand | The Sun |News|Politics

[Hoppy01]

When it comes down to it there is no fundamental difference between any of the parties. They all have exactly the same goal - getting into power no matter the cost !

As for the morality of avoiding tax, well, tax itself is morally wrong (its nothing more than a 'legalised' protection racket type of extortion) so can you say the non compliance with an immoral system is in itself immoral ?

You make a fair point and a think that's why so many people are angry, there doesn't seem to be any alternative and a was naive enough to believe the Lib Dems manifesto which a can assure you had fundamental differences to the Tories.
That's why a was spitting bullets after a saw them u-turn and rip there manifesto up with such ease, imo it was the biggest betrayal in modern politics.
If they can sell out that easily on their own beliefs then what else are they capable of?

Am always suspect of anyone who craves power, Thatcher and Blair are two good examples of this, Thatcher got booted as she became difficult to deal with and listened to nobody, Blair clung on to power to the last second and had to go as we were fed up fighting in countries we cant even spell for reasons that were lies.
Both also had close ties to Yankee land and implemented a lot of Yankee crap that your average Brit detests.
The best and most influential people in any walk of life are the people who are put in because they are special, the team captain or boss that everyone likes and they usually don't want the position but have earned it.
They don't need teams of bullsh*&&*^%, sorry spin doctors who keep it legal but smash every moral law you can name.

This coalitions approach has been shambolic to say the least and a don't think Labour would have done much better either.
Britain needs a motivator, not a posh bully who has never lived in the real world and frankly hasn't been challenged in any way by his no2 or opposition leader who can hardly string a sentence together.
A mean Ed Milliband, how did this daft wee boy get the leadership of Labour, oh yeh, it was those other dinosaurs the unions, the lefties who put factories out to strike in the 70s for running out of bog roll.

Imagine going through life were every decision you make is either left or right with no middle ground, it would be a disaster, yet our political system is built on those principles.

As for tax, well our leaders seem obsessed with taxing every bloody thing you can name.
We all know we need to pay a certain amount of tax to make the country run, its unavoidable, but the level of tax is way too high as is the cost of living.
The VAT rise was a screaming joke, so bad that the old school Tories cant even figure that one out, if they wanted to create growth then the economy needed a VAT rise like it needs a bag on the hip..
They are obsessed in hammering the car owner and a car is now a 2nd bloody mortgage and we are an oil producing country.
If i don't have a car then i cant work as public transport doesn't exist at my time in the morning or night but these bangers tell us to take the bus.
A wonder how often they use public transport, not often as they might catch something from the peasants..

Anyway am putting this keyboard down now and im off to read War and Peace..

[bobwill]

I was taught that you support a football team however good or bad they are doing for life
BUT not a political party you only support them untill you think one of the other parties is better .
Thats why I have voted for most parties in my life and there was a time in the eightys when I never voted at all
I did not like either the loony Foot or Thatcher what a choice.
I do think the tories should have voted David Davis as leader he was favorite ,instead of lightweight Cameon

[Snowy79]

All parties are the same. Those in charge make the rules and the opposition say they are wrong. One makes a major decision that can affect the working class and the opposite say they are killing jobs etc. 4 years later they get in power and stick with the previous Governments decisions as they knew all along they were probably correct.

They all promise things in their manifesto then give some crap excuse that it's for the good of the Country that they don't carry it out.

Labour, Tory, Lib Dem etc they are all the same. It's about time it was illegal for big business or Unions to sponsor any party, as they are just buying them off for their own good but never that of all the popilation.

[Canker_Canison]

So paying cash in hand is bad....

How long before they hammer market stall holders? Every transaction is cash.

Maybe this is a stealth approach on turning the population against using physical money & only paying via traceable credit/debit cards?

With the aggression they're showing towards total monitoring of the internet, phones, texts, emails, etc.. With the abolition of physical money & clear audit trails......

Big brother is just around the corner with nowhere to hide.






These pills the doctor gave me are so cool.....