Benefits could be limited to buying bare essentials as Iain Duncan Smith warns of dan

[GastonJ]

If the country do go bankrupt it will not the communist who take over as the pc loony left think, it will be fascism look at what is happening in greece and spain and what happened in germany between the wars and I do not want ether communist or fascist thank you
Thatcher was to far right for me

The party to the right of politics in the UK is already in government, just in case you hadn't noticed. We already have them blaming immigrants for rising house prices etc. Now they blame the poorest in society for the rest of us having to pay more tax, while I seem to recall that the richest (banks) caused this.

How long before we then tell the unemployed what they must buy, where from and how much? Perhaps we could just do away with food cards, have them all live in the same ghetto, and make them go to the local soup kitchen. Eventually we can also stop them breeding to save paying them child credit?.

Great how politics work eh? With the Tories it's call Right Wing Rhetoric.

[TheCoder]

I will be so happy to see the back of these clowns come the next election, there just seems to be no end to taking a giant dump on anyone who isn't a Tory.

It doesn't really matter which parties in power, the outcome is pretty much the same. One lot bankrupt the country whilst the other lot impoverish the population. Either way the UK will likely end up as a third world country requiring handouts from the likes of India and China !

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Originally Posted by TheCoder
It doesn't really matter which parties in power, the outcome is pretty much the same. One lot bankrupt the country whilst the other lot impoverish the population. Either way the UK will likely end up as a third world country requiring handouts from the likes of India and China !





It will never happened mate we got brain and lots of money, we just like torchering our community!!!!!

[bobwill]

I will be so happy to see the back of these clowns come the next election, there just seems to be no end to taking a giant dump on anyone who isn't a Tory.
next few years.

are you one of the super rich who done so well under labour not like the low paid working man who was screwed by them


With the dividing lines for the next election seemingly drawn at PMQs, one of Ed?s main attack lines is the claim that the Tories are hurting the poor and helping the rich. But do the stats back him up? According to HMRC these are the average income tax rates across the pay scale comparing Labour between 2009-10 and the Coalition for 2012-13:

[GastonJ]

Proves I'm losing out tho, thieving basseds the coalition are. However they're just stats which 121% of people know can be manipulated the other -21% can't decide

[Lainie]

I'm sure it is the working people claiming benefits that account for the bulk of the UK welfare benefit bill.

absolutely not. very few people that work get housing and/or council tax benefit. you have to remember benefit is not just what they pay into your bank account its also the accommodation you are getting for FREE.

[Hoppy01]

are you one of the super rich who done so well under labour not like the low paid working man who was screwed by them


With the dividing lines for the next election seemingly drawn at PMQs, one of Ed?s main attack lines is the claim that the Tories are hurting the poor and helping the rich. But do the stats back him up? According to HMRC these are the average income tax rates across the pay scale comparing Labour between 2009-10 and the Coalition for 2012-13:

You can throw figures about all day fella,, after a quick Google a could throw a ton back at you but it wont make a blind bit of difference or change the fact that the Tories are nothing more than a front for corporate interest.
What a do know is when i set my business up 18 months ago your precious Tory government had slashed any help that a new business gets, under the Tories it was quite clear, you are on your own..

As for me being super rich under Labour,, nope, ave never been super rich ever,, i pay my way but i have never been super rich and i didn't vote Labour last election either.

What i do know is that the Tories couldn't care less about your average person and do nothing to help people who have fallen on hard times.
I am not talking about the people who want to spend a life on benefits, i mean the ones made unemployed by the scum bankers who your Tories have thrown billions at for zero return and a economy that's flat lined.
If it was up to your Tories there would be no NHS, very little for sick and elderly and most people would be paid a lot less with a lot less rights.
If it doesn't involve a profit then the Tories are not interested, most are from rich boy land and have no f****** idea what its like to be skint or down on your luck.
I am sure their plan will really motivate people who are new to unemployment, here is your food stamps scum now getta job you lazy ba***** .
Yeh lets take the country back 50 yrs and maybe get those freeloading children to pay for their education, chimney sweep anyone.
Radical change can be good sometimes, poorly planned and executed ideas by a bunch of posh morons is a recipe for disaster....

[Canker_Canison]

Even if these cards did come into play, people will always be able to get what they want.

I can think of a few shops around here that would find a way around the rules. They ain't gonna lose out on alcohol & tobacco sales, no matter what the government say.

This is where being in the EU can help people. If we leave the EU, botched ideas like this will come into force before you can blink.


Since we're going back in time, anyone fancy re-enacting the gunpowder plot. I'll play Guy Fawkes if nobody else wants the role. But this will be the directors cut with alternative ending.

[bobwill]

Prehaps this is why so many lone parents on benefits will not work I would not if I was taxed at 61%

[Lainie]

im far from being a tory fan but they are at least trying to change things. its fundamentally wrong for those on benefit to be better off that those of us that work - simple. end of.

all these single mothers moan about dads not paying for their own kids etc. well excuse me neither do you hunni - the state does. ?20 per week child benefit and ?56 per week child tax credit for those poor single mothers that dont work. then their own benefit, housing benefit and council tax benefit on top of that. my heart goes out to them - NOT

as ive said in a hundred threads or more if people dont volunteer to change then they will be forced to change. i dont agree with everything the torys are doing by a long long way but its a start. i do not class all unemployed people the same as i am very much aware that some (the minority in my opinion) do actually want to work and have some self respect.

[bobwill]

and for the under twentyfives what a crazy welfare system the UK have

[Lainie]

these figures are the same for everyone that works bobwill. you are actually highlighting how its better NOT to work.

[GastonJ]

these figures are the same for everyone that works bobwill. you are actually highlighting how its better NOT to work.

No, they're highlighting the problems faced by the poorest paid in society, for instance they don't show my salary. I'd sooner work than not. However I have an incentive to work in that I keep a good deal of the money I make, the poorest don't. It's that gap that the Tories are so good at creating between the have and have nots, and every time people fall into the trap of "benefits are costing billions". I doubt very much that anyone wants to live on benefits.

It would make more sense to give some financial incentive to those who are trying to earn their way through life, even if it's a cut in the employers NI contributions for a year, rather than direct contribution to the employee. That way people are employed, the government gets some tax and NI, people have money to spend, the retailers do well, the employer gets a hard working and content employee, the government doesn't have to pay their benefits.s.

This all started going tits up when Labour removed the tax breaks for married couples/children and started handing out working tax credits, family credit, child minders allowances etc. They should put the tax allowances back where they were end those 3 things.

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David Cameron and George Osbourne to Resign - e-petitions

the more that sign the better atleast it may pee him off

[bobwill]

It would make more sense to give some financial incentive to those who are trying to earn their way through life, even if it's a cut in the employers NI contributions for a year, rather than direct contribution to the employee. That way people are employed, the government gets some tax and NI, people have money to spend, the retailers do well, the employer gets a hard working and content employee, the government doesn't have to pay their benefits.s.

This all started going tits up when Labour removed the tax breaks for married couples/children and started handing out working tax credits, family credit, child minders allowances etc. They should put the tax allowances back where they were end those 3 things.

I could not agree more about giving more financial incentive , employers ni is a tax on jobs , employees ni is just another tax,to many jobs on min wage and told to claim credits, any one earning less than 15 thou should not have to pay any tax, I think it was Thatchers government that took away married mans allowance to make more women go to work