Renegotiate the EU?

[GastonJ]

David Cameron and Ed Miliband have clashed over Mr Cameron's forthcoming speech on Europe.

Mr Cameron will speak in the Netherlands on Friday and is expected to announce plans for a future referendum on the UK's relationship with the EU.

Labour leader Mr Miliband said a future referendum would "hang a closed sign" around British business.

But the PM said it was right to negotiate a better relationship.

Mr Cameron has faced pressure to hold a referendum on Europe and has been criticised by some in his own party for not doing more to get powers back from the EU to the UK.

In his speech he is expected to support a loosening of the UK's relationship with the EU, to be endorsed by a referendum.

BBC News - Prime Minister's Questions: David Cameron v Ed Miliband

"Mr Cameron insisted that British business backed his policy."

What he means is that they will get rid of the working time directive and the minimum wage directive. Then it's back to 50 hour weeks for ?1 an hour with no health and safety for when you get killed falling into a machine 'cos you're so knackered.

Make businesses very happy that would.

[tshirtman]

the tory's are only interested in scrapping the working time directive, minimum wage law, and the European human rights act,

we'll be back to slave labour rates of pay, and working 60 hours a week if they get there own way.

This has nothing to do with immigration.

[Shady]

the tory's are only interested in scrapping the working time directive, minimum wage law, and the European human rights act,

we'll be back to slave labour rates of pay, and working 60 hours a week if they get there own way.

This has nothing to do with immigration.

What he means is that they will get rid of the working time directive and the minimum wage directive. Then it's back to 50 hour weeks for ?1 an hour with no health and safety for when you get killed falling into a machine 'cos you're so knackered.*




Make businesses very happy that would.

scaremonger much?

[tshirtman]

scaremonger much?

It isn't scaremongering,

it's public knowledge in the political circles, the tory no:1 hate are the working time directives and the minimum wage, these will be the first things they try to re-negotiate.

lets not forget they have done it before, in 1986 Thatcher scrapped the wage council, who was responsible for setting a living wage,

I'm still waiting for all these 1000s of job losses due to minimum wage.

[Shady]

IF anything happens regarding the eu i GUARANTEE nothing will happen regards minimum wage, working hrs etc.. GUARANTEE.
its well known in political circles, and you became privy to this info HOW?

[bobwill]

its well known in political circles, and you became privy to this info HOW?

Have you seen tshirtman and gordon brown in the same room

[GastonJ]

Eurozone crisis: Cameron and Merkel agree framework for EU negotiations
UK could be able to relax controversial EU working time directive in exchange for signing revised Lisbon treaty

The UK will sign up to a revision of the Lisbon treaty ***8211; aimed at underpinning tough new fiscal rules for the eurozone ***8211; in exchange for an undertaking from Berlin that it will allow for an examination of the impact of the directive, which imposes a 48-hour week on workers across the EU.

Eurozone crisis: Cameron and Merkel agree framework for EU negotiations | Business | The Guardian

If he didn't want to alter it, why ask for it? I've yet to see him say he's going to negotiate for the hours to be less, have you?

It's well known that he was anti minimum wage back when it was introduced, he wrote John Majors speeches for him. I've seen nothing from him about changing that stance.

[tshirtman]

Have you seen tshirtman and gordon brown in the same room

Have you ever heard of news-papers or current affairs TV programs.
You may notice from another section of the forum, I read a lot, you should try it, you'll learn things.

[Snowy79]

The minimum wage played into a lot of employers hands. Sure some got a slight pay rise but it also allowed the big players to justify paying some people less than they would have.

As for job losses on paper it looked like there was just as many people employed after the minimum wage was implemented but they forgot to mention these jobs went to the immigrants that labour happily let into the UK. Any employer that suffers increased wage bills will just tweak their prices to cover it as has happened.

The wage is still not enough to encourage some that are on the dole to take the jobs though as benefits make it not worth their while. Only immigrants are prepared to take up a lot of jobs as they are happy to sleep 4 to a room and share costs.

[bobwill]

the tory's are only interested in scrapping the working time directive, minimum wage law, and the European human rights act,

we'll be back to slave labour rates of pay, and working 60 hours a week if they get there own way.

This has nothing to do with immigration.

I know that when Brown and co had there open door policy and let the world in to the uk my wages went down I have retired now but mates who are still working have had to go self employed and are lucky get ?10 per hour some are working for ?50 per day because there is plenty of cheap immigrant labour who will do it cheaper
so I think thanks to brown and co slave labour rates are already here and most workers who dont have high paid jobs have to work long hours to earn enough to live on

[tshirtman]

I know that when Brown and co had there open door policy and let the world in to the uk my wages went down I have retired now but mates who are still working have had to go self employed and are lucky get ?10 per hour some are working for ?50 per day because there is plenty of cheap immigrant labour who will do it cheaper
so I think thanks to brown and co slave labour rates are already here and most workers who dont have high paid jobs have to work long hours to earn enough to live on

The 13 years we had no wage legislation under Thatcher, did more to stunt wage increases than anything else.

[GastonJ]

I know that when Brown and co had there open door policy and let the world in to the uk my wages went down I have retired now but mates who are still working have had to go self employed and are lucky get ?10 per hour some are working for ?50 per day because there is plenty of cheap immigrant labour who will do it cheaper
so I think thanks to brown and co slave labour rates are already here and most workers who dont have high paid jobs have to work long hours to earn enough to live on

and if there'd been no minimum wage they'd be working for ?25 a day. A business will always try get the maximum profit for the minimum investment and effort. That's why the definition of employer is "user" they use whatever they can to turn a profit. If they could have 10 year old working back down mines then they would. With the EU you take the good with the bad, I doubt every country wants *all* the legislation, but that's the nature of the beast, take the good with the bad. I'm sure other countries would like to cherry pick the pieces they want, but can't. UK governments have known that this was coming, as did all businesses, they failed to prepare for immigration despite the signs. I'm sure business are rubbing their hands at the cheap workers.

In short, with no minimum wage, do you really think that would have made the average UK worker better off, or would it have made the few at the top of the food chain richer? If anything the minimum wage should be higher, not abolished.

As I wrote earlier, I suspect that Dodgy Dave wants to remove the minimum wage and working time directive to make everyone who actually works for a living worse off. We'll have to wait and see.

[GastonJ]

IF anything happens regarding the eu i GUARANTEE nothing will happen regards minimum wage, working hrs etc.. GUARANTEE.
its well known in political circles, and you became privy to this info HOW?

Dave forget to let you in on his wanting to change the working time directive by any chance?

[Shady]

you realise that the minimum wage was never dictated by the eu yeah? so if any pm wanted to change it.. they could have?

[GastonJ]

Yes, however I'm wondering why Dave didn't tell you he was wanting to change the working hours before you gave your guarantee, which tbh is worth as much as Dave's word on anything anyway. Did you not get his phone call before you posted?