Official: More English than Scots want independence for Scotland

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Cutting old ties?: The Prime Minister David Cameron with Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond


There is more support in England for Scotland leaving the United Kingdom than there is north of the border, according to a poll for The Mail on Sunday.

Scots do not want the English to meddle in whether they end their 300-year union with England, but English voters are much keener to have a say in the matter.

And the main worry of Scots appears to be that cutting their ties with England and Wales will leave them with less cash.


Divisions: The results of the recent poll


When independence for Scots is put to English voters in a straight ?Yes or No? question, 40 per cent say ?No? with 29 per cent saying ?Yes? ? three points higher than the result in Scotland.


Link: Scottish independence: More English than Scots want independence for Scotland | Mail Online

[Snowy79]

I think the fact that every political party has said how much of a burden Scotland is due to them being kind enough to give us more money tells me we must be supporting their economy in reality.

The Conservatives barely get a vote from the Scottish population and only have one MP in Scotland yet they don't want us to leave. I wonder why that is? In reality if they removed the amount of Scottish people that vote against them they'd be in power in England forever.

We've a population of just over ?5,000,000 and believe it or not some of them work and pay taxes. We've a Whisky industry worth billions. Natural resources worth Billions. tourism, fishing, manufacturing etc. Of course we could easily fund ourself.

What I don't like is the SNP wanting us to stay in the EU.

[blueflash234]

A lot of people think that the Scots take more public money than they contribute,Scotland is a jobs black spot,whether that will change with independence i am not sure,but one thing the uk goverment dont want to change is the revenue they collect from Scotlands oil there is still lots of oil in the north sea and they do not want the revenue turned of. There would have to be a considerable tax rise for England to plug the gap

[GastonJ]

It's the main reason they won't allow the English a vote on independence from Scotland, Wales and NI - the vote would most likely be a yes. TBH I doubt it would be any better for any of the UK to be broken up anyway, however I'm looking for a Yes vote in Scotland so that I can get Mrs GJ deported

[johnboy1974]

What's wrong with the union, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[Kalipo]

At the end of the day.. Scotland has something england doesnt have.. and vice/versa..

Why break something up.. surely its working at the moment.. share whats needed throughout the union and its fine..

Salmond is using the ressesion to pump his independence shit.. but when infact, he'l just hand the card over to europe..

Its to me like europe is funding this to break the UK and finally gets its hand competley on it..

Once the union is broke, UK will have no option but to go all out into the European Union.. Britain is well and truly finished at this point..

Talk about kick it when its down..

[GastonJ]

What's wrong with the union, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

That is the question that Alex the Salmond of doubt should be answering really. It's him and his party who are pushing for it an sulking. I've no idea what he thinks will be gained by it other than the Scottish MP's will be able to pay themselves more, have more expenses, say they have the mandate to do what they feel like if they should win, and screw the people of Scotland into the ground.

[PedFraser]

A dont no a single perosn in glasgow who would support indy in a dnt get why break up the UK just to go and hand more power to the E.U which most likely want even be around in 10 years time it baffles me

[caveman_nige]

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[hypersonic]

Independent Scotland

You can't blame the Scots for wanting independence. Clydeside, along with the North East Coast of England used to be the engine room of the UK with Steel making, shipbuilding, and heavy engineering. Thatcher changed all that and now both areas have nothing but low paid jobs in the service industry. The financial business centres on London and politicians have focused investment there in the last 25 years. The HS2 rail link may reach Glasgow in 2050 (doubtful) It will probably terminate in Birmingham and cost 3 times more than they estimate today. Scotland has whisky and oil plus a comprehensive offshore industry. Its huge coastline could be used for both wind and tidal power generation on a massive scale. An independent Scotland would target investment in Scotland, not London. Build high speed rail links in Scotland, not out of London. There is huge potential for further oil/gas finds in Scotland, not to mention fracking and Hydro electric power.
Parts of Scotland needs the same investment per square mile that London gets in order to achieve a standard of living similar to that of the south of England. I am sure that North East England would join Scotland, given the chance. If Norway can do it so can Scotland, but we should stay outside the EU and the Eurozone.

[bobo1986]

It would be a disaster in the long run for sure

[alanftec]

You will still pay the same taxes, still be shit upon from a great height, so no matter what you choose the general residents will probably be no better or worse off, the only winners will be Scottish politicians as they will complete control allowing them to completely f**K it up, no matter what party they are from.

[Snowy79]

The one issue I have is that regardless how Scottish politicians vote on major issues they will always be over ruled by the greater number of politicians South of the border. Take the bedroom tax. 85% of Scottish MPs voted against it but it still passed through Parliament. We have no say on how much of our money is shipped overseas to help countries out that are better off than us. At least if we were independent the politicians won't be able to blame others South if the Border. If they don't do what the people that live here ask we can vote them out. Currently we ask them to do something and there's not enough of them to get it voted in.

[GastonJ]

If it happens, it happens. I do think that if it does that the Scottish government should not rely on the rest of the UK though so they need to set up their own:

Central Bank
Currency
Immigration and Passport Offices
DWP and collection/payment
HMRC and collection
Hospitals
Armed Forces
Highways agency
DVLA
DVLC
Telecoms/Internet infrastructure
Foreign offices and the structures that go with it, own embassies etc
TV and Radio stations that they pay for

and all the rest that goes with it at full cost, after all independence is just that, not some half ar$ed effort whereby they use the rest of the facilities they want to be independent of - after all that's what they're asking for. Though I'm unsure that's what the Scottish people want, but we'll know next year.

Just to say, I have nothing against Scotland or it's people, just those that use position to gain by independence which won't be the normal every day Scots.

[DOUGALMCD]

Let's go independent and create a tax haven.
Oh that's been done already it's called London. [Big Companies]
I hope that when the time comes people will be properly informed so that the right decisions can be made. So I will keep an open mind until then.