A million on benefit capable of work

[Meat-Head]

..

My friend Adolf warned of this a long long time ago..

He's my friend first

Caplisum isn't that were you soon run out of other peoples money?

[Lainie]

there were nearly 2 million people on incapacity benefit and id guess at least 85% will lose it in the next 2 - 3 years now the IB Re-assessment has started. from what ive already seen 90% of the appeals so far the claiments were on IB for anxiety, depression, and drink. one guy and honest to god this is true had failed to attend 7 medicals due to drink. said he cant travel on a bus, no friends or family to help, he cant go out due to anxiety (oh really so the booze gets delivered to your door then), not a shread of medical evidence supplied by him re his illness, not on any medication, had not seen GP for 3 yrs and he actually expects to keep his benefit of ?125 a week, get all his rent and council tax paid as well. yeah yeah no chance. these re-assessments will catch them all out.

he did ask for something to help get to a medical now guess what that was?

[GastonJ]

If the companies are made to pay a living wage they will simply leave and go elsewhere..

Business ethics are that.. Minimum outlay.. maximum profit..

The government are trying to protect jobs by keeping minimum pay as possible..

This is where we have the problem.. we should of never gone down the corporate/capitalist route..

My friend adolf warned of this a long long time ago..

They said that when the minimum wage and WTD were introduced and yet they're still here. Usual excuse not to do the right thing and pay people a sufficient amount of money to live on and take them out of the benefits system.

UK welfare spending: how much does each benefit really cost? Visualised | News | guardian.co.uk


What it shows is that the Department for Welfare and Pensions is the biggest spending department in the UK - spending ?166.98bn in 2011-12, which is Of that huge sum, ?159bn was spent on benefits - an increase of 1.1% on the previous year. That is 23% of all public spending.


Ask people where that money goes and the assumptions might be on unemployment or incapacity benefit. In fact, 47% of UK benefit spending goes on state pensions of ?74.22bn a year, more than the ?48.2bn the UK spends on servicing its debt.


It's followed by housing benefit of ?16.94bn (+5.2%) and Disability living allowance of ?12.57bn (+3.3%). Jobseekers' allowance is actually one of the smaller benefits - ?4.91bn in 2011-12, an increase of 7.6% on the previous year.


And that's just the benefits that the DWP distributes. HM Revenue & Customs is responsible for tax credits and crucially child benefit, which has just been cut. That was worth ?12.22bn in 2011-12.


So to save almost 50% kill off all pensioners, simple - I'll await IDS telling us that in the near future, or not. Save a further ?12 billion by getting rid of tax credits and child benefit. That'd be ?86 million saved very quickly.

[BigfatPaulie]

Eliminate mps and the royal family, the REAL drain on our resources....
Be interesting to see what THEY cost us

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[GastonJ]

?89 million last year on expenses for MP's
Then a minimum of ?65k a year each for being an MP rising to whatever the PM is on.

The Green Book will help you find that info.

Royal family get around ?35 million.

So to save the most the pensioners must all die, sorry like it's the only way.

[Meat-Head]

?

So to save the most the pensioners must all die, sorry like it's the only way.

Thought your near pension age?

OFF TOPIC BUT RELEVENT


charites. Oxfam emerican red cross and who ever. Some are paid a fortune to run the place some are volenteers why cant our pm be a volenteeer?

[bobwill]

UK welfare spending: how much does each benefit really cost? Visualised | News | guardian.co.uk


What it shows is that the Department for Welfare and Pensions is the biggest spending department in the UK - spending ?166.98bn in 2011-12, which is Of that huge sum, ?159bn was spent on benefits - an increase of 1.1% on the previous year. That is 23% of all public spending.


So to save almost 50% kill off all pensioners, simple -

half of this must be public sector pensions as the state pension is ?7488 after next year and there are 11million on state pension which makes that?82.368bn which is way short of ?166.98bn for pensions the guardian quoted.


Must read post better after second read noted it said ?74bn on state pensions so it will be going up by 6bn when new pension comes in

[GastonJ]

Oh you mean those public sector pensions that public sector workers paid for? Government myth that public sector workers don't pay into a pension and so 'expect' the state to pay it.

With private sector pensions the employee pays a contribution as does the employer, same in public sector. However people believe the government propaganda hook line and sinker. I expect that the government will be cutting and complaining about post office workers pensions soon as well - despite pocketing ?28 billion from it last year and spending it of course.

The government is only paying public sector pensions because the government, and ones before, spent the contributions instead investing it as they force everyone else to. It's all part of taking as much from the poor as possible while leaving the rich with as much as possible. Keep the poor poor and it keeps inflation down. I seem to recall Capt Bob was going to be taken to court over spending the pension fund he was 'looking after', yet teh government can spend the public sector pensions anytime it feels like it? Double standards if you ask me.

[thered]

[QUOTE=Lainie;1955949]there were nearly 2 million people on incapacity benefit and id guess at least 85% will lose it in the next 2 - 3 years now the IB Re-assessment has started. from what ive already seen 90% of the appeals so far the claiments were on IB for anxiety, depression, and drink. one guy and honest to god this is true had failed to attend 7 medicals due to drink. said he cant travel on a bus, no friends or family to help, he cant go out due to anxiety (oh really so the booze gets delivered to your door then), not a shread of medical evidence supplied by him re his illness, not on any medication, had not seen GP for 3 yrs and he actually expects to keep his benefit of ?125 a week, get all his rent and council tax paid as well. yeah yeah no chance. these re-assessments will catch them all out.

They wont, well maybe they will until they go back and get better illness and bigger lies and then start process again

Millions are unable to work

Strange how i never bump into them

Or maybe its because they are too ill.

[thered]

Oh you mean those public sector pensions that public sector workers paid for? Government myth that public sector workers don't pay into a pension and so 'expect' the state to pay it.

With private sector pensions the employee pays a contribution as does the employer, same in public sector. However people believe the government propaganda hook line and sinker. I expect that the government will be cutting and complaining about post office workers pensions soon as well - despite pocketing ?28 billion from it last year and spending it of course.

The government is only paying public sector pensions because the government, and ones before, spent the contributions instead investing it as they force everyone else to. It's all part of taking as much from the poor as possible while leaving the rich with as much as possible. Keep the poor poor and it keeps inflation down. I seem to recall Capt Bob was going to be taken to court over spending the pension fund he was 'looking after', yet teh government can spend the public sector pensions anytime it feels like it? Double standards if you ask me.

Yes they pay contribution, it caused an uproar i remember half the hospital on strike over it, fancy having to pay some money and have to retire after 60 like normal people


?28 billion from post office where??????

[GastonJ]

That'd be this one:

Royal Mail pension assets sell-off could generate ?25bn | UK news | The Guardian

[thered]

That'd be this one:

Royal Mail pension assets sell-off could generate ?25bn | UK news | The Guardian

Not quite the same as you posted

[GastonJ]

It came to ?28 billion by the time they got their hands on it anyway. They swallowed the money up and spent it. Within the next 5 to 10 years I expect some government of the day to say how unaffordable the postal workers pensions are, that the public shouldn't be paying for the postal workers gold plated pensions and start to devalue the pensions - while at the same time asking the postal workers to pay more. Usual government bulls**t.

[thered]

Be sold soon, so expect price rises, less collections and 3 day week deliveries to maximise profits

[GastonJ]

Aye funny how companies that aren't making money when the government hold them make billions for banks, financial institutions and shareholders the second the government privatises them isn't it? While I'm sure people will blame the workers; at the end of the day it is the current owners and the management who are ultimately responsible for whether the post office makes a profit or not, and it is they that should take the blame and should lose their jobs for the mess they're in. However I'm sure plenty of people will blame the people who day in day out carry out the work they're asked, in the way that the management tell them to and in the way they are contracted to do. The government and the post office 'management' are the ones who employed the staff, dictated their terms and conditions etc.

Bet the management get immediate pay rises the second it's privatised, and those who actually work will receive a P45.