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  • Kalipo
    DK Veteran
    • Mar 2008
    • 1687

    #1

    Britain must obey Strasbourg judges or quit the EU

    Britain was yesterday threatened with having to quit the European Union if it refuses to 'kowtow' to Strasbourg's human rights judges.

    The warning was delivered by the new head of the European Court of Human Rights, amid an increasing determination among Tory Cabinet ministers to leave its jurisdiction.

    Judge Dean Spielmann, from Luxemburg, also insisted that ministers had a duty to grant the vote to prisoners.



    His intervention once again puts the unelected court on a collision course with Westminster.

    Technically, the EU and the European Court of Human Rights are separate institutions, with the ECHR overseen by the 47-member Council of Europe.

    But Mr Spielmann opted to combine two of the most explosive issues in British politics by saying that, if we want to leave the court, we may also have to exit the EU.

    His logic was that quitting the court would mean also exiting the Council of Europe. He added no state had ever been a member of the EU without first joining the council.

    Mr Spielmann said: 'That would plainly be a political disaster.

    'Any member state who would leave the Council of Europe, who would denounce the convention, would lose its credibility when it comes to promoting human rights also in different parts of the world.'

    Last night, MPs said they would not give in to threats - particularly where they involved Britain's membership of the EU.

    Tory backbencher Dominic Raab said: 'Mr Spielmann had no previous judicial experience before ascending to the heights of this European ivory tower, and it shows.

    'The only thing undermining the credibility of the Strasbourg court are the Mickey Mouse judgments it spews out. He and the other judges should take a long hard look in the mirror before complaining about British democracy.'

    Dominic Raab, Tory backbencher

    He added: 'If Mr Spielmann thinks threatening to kick us out of the EU is going to persuade anyone in Britain to kowtow to the perverse rulings of the Strasbourg court, he's got another thing coming.'

    Home Secretary Theresa May has said the UK should consider its relationship with the European court after a string of adverse judgments.

    These include blocking the deportation of Al Qaeda hate-preacher Abu Qatada and the long-running battle over whether convicts must be allowed to vote.

    Chris Grayling, the Justice Secretary, has also discussed walking away from the court. This would allow the final say to rest with Britain's better qualified Supreme Court.

    Judge Spielmann told BBC Radio Four that all decisions reached by his court must be respected - including prisoner votes.

    This is despite the fact that the democratically-elected Westminster parliament has voted overwhelmingly to keep the ban in place.

    He claimed: 'A decision of a court must be executed. If a decision is not executed this is a violation of the rule of law which is a basic principle of any democracy'.

    Quoting a long-standing argument of the human rights lobby, he said there was a risk that such an attitude would set a bad example to other member states. He added: 'They might say "Well if the UK doesn't comply with our judgments, why should we comply?"

    Judge Dean Spielmann

    'Such an attitude causes real damage to the UK's international reputation, because it undermines the whole system and it causes great damage to the credibility of the UK when it comes to promoting human rights in other parts of the world.

    The European court has 47 members, many of whom have no prior judicial experience.

    The court's 'one country, one judge' rule means Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco and Andorra each have a seat despite their combined populations being smaller than that of the London borough of Islington.

    A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: 'We are clear in the view that prisoner voting is a matter for national parliaments to decide.

    'We will continue to push for further meaningful reform of the European Court of Human Rights when negotiations start later in the year.'

    Britain must obey Strasbourg judges or quit the EU, warns new chief of European Court of Human Rights | Mail Online

    IF the EU court can't protect us from foreign Muslims and terrorists and wont let us kick them outof the country then its as useless as the tits on a Boar anyway !

    BRITAIN OUT!! **** THE EU
    ich bin stolz ein deutscher zu sein.

    Meathead Lufter Verein - iScheitern

  • GastonJ
    V.I.P. Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 5505

    #2
    Originally posted by Kalipo

    His intervention once again puts the unelected court on a collision course with Westminster.
    How many elected courts do we have in the UK?
    My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
    Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
    No good deed goes unpunished....

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    • ajax2061
      DK Veteran
      • Nov 2012
      • 395

      #3
      none that I know of, sounds like the eu court trying to bully us into going with their rulings well tbh the human rights court done some good things but omg they tied our hands in knots trying to get rid of certain hate preachers

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      • gmb45
        Admin Assistant
        • Nov 2008
        • 7538

        #4
        lets get the **** oot of there **** em
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        • Meat-Head
          V.I.P. Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 32000

          #5
          Err hang on

          bit like saying. Your kid does wrong and somebody else from miles away tells them off

          If you do a crime out if your town, you have to go to that town court to appear, which to me us wrong, jury will be thinking, yeah do him/her

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          • GastonJ
            V.I.P. Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 5505

            #6
            So let's get this right then.

            What you're saying is that having signed up to be bound by the rulings of the court as part of our membership of the EU we shouldn't be bound by the rulings? So if the Scots, Welsh, Norther Irish or English aseemblies/parialiments decides not to take any notice of a ruling by the UK Supreme Court then that's ok then -t's ok to obey rulings you agreee with, but any you disagree with you are free to ignore? Like the various union acts of the UK the countries that make up the UK agreed to abide by those rulings, just as we did when the various UK governments signed up to the EU and everything with it. Can I now speed and because I don't like the law and continue to do so without any consequences?

            As for May, she sets herself up every time.
            My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
            Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
            No good deed goes unpunished....

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            • masur123
              DK Veteran
              • Aug 2009
              • 674

              #7
              Isnt this something that France does on numerous occassions? If France doesnt like a ruling, it just ignores it with little or no consequence.

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              • GastonJ
                V.I.P. Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 5505

                #8
                Oh I'm sure they do and get fined for it. If our government ignores them who pays the fine? I'm cking sure MP's don't, nor do the newspapers - it's Joe Public, the taxpayer who pays the fines. So it's all well and good having to pay fines as long as it's not you personally handing over the money.

                Ever tried ignoring a speeding fine when you're guilty with your reason being "I don't like that verdict, so I'll ignore it?" I know what would happen, as do you, so why should our own government ignore such things with the taxpayer footing the bill?
                Last edited by GastonJ; 9 June, 2013, 13:39.
                My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
                Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
                No good deed goes unpunished....

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                • bobwill
                  DK Veteran
                  • May 2009
                  • 525

                  #9
                  It was Blair who wanted and signed the human rights act as soon as he got into power in 1998
                  to give his wife Booth plenty of work and it did
                  Now it is just a big money maker for our legal crooks protecting murders and terrorists
                  Code:
                  [URL="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/violent-prisoners-to-get-human-rights-payouts-1330243"]Violent prisoners to get human rights payouts after controversial European ruling - Mirror Online[/URL]

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                  • GastonJ
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 5505

                    #10
                    Seems this comment has been avoided quite well so far

                    "His intervention once again puts the unelected court on a collision course with Westminster."

                    There are no elected courts in the UK, or perhaps you know of one?

                    However the point being that you can't sign up to be bound by rulings of a court and then ignore them when it doesn't suit, mind you that is MP's all the way - say one thing and do another.

                    As for the Human Rights Act, I seem to recall (and it's fact) that Dave Cameron vowed to repeal the Human Rights Act if elected, another broken promise.
                    My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
                    Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
                    No good deed goes unpunished....

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