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  • Kalipo
    DK Veteran
    • Mar 2008
    • 1687

    #1

    Bizarre EU ruling that's threatening our churches

    Bizarre EU ruling that's threatening our churches: Directive giving protection to bats could see dozens of religious buildings closed because of damage animals cause



    Medieval churches that survived the ?ravages of the Reformation? are under threat from a Brussels directive giving blanket protection to bats, MPs were warned yesterday.

    Sir Tony Baldry, who represents the Church of England in the Commons, said dozens of parish churches were facing potential closure because of the crippling cost of dealing with bat infestations.

    He told MPs that bat droppings were causing serious damage to medieval wall paintings, sculptures and wooden effigies - as well as posing a potential health hazard that has already forced the closure of one parish church.


    But under the EU Habitats Directive, bats are given sweeping protections, making it impossible for the church authorities to deal with them.

    Appealing to the Government to licence the destruction of bat nests, Sir Tony said: ?Many of the churches affected by bat infestation are approaching a situation where their buildings may be unsustainable as a place of worship.

    ?Now it is sometimes said that excluding bats from churches will render the bats homeless. But actually there is every chance that church congregations will find themselves homeless and without a place of worship with listed buildings left unoccupied and that is surely a solution which is undesirable for both bats and people.?

    He went on: ?I cannot believe that the European Commission would want a situation in which it was not possible for congregations to worship in churches that go back to the time of the Conqueror, because of bat infestations.

    Citing an example in his constituency in Banbury, Oxfordshire, he added: ?The church of St Peter ad Vincula at South Newington in my own constituency has some very fine, almost unique, medieval wall paintings which seem to have been spared Thomas Cromwell?s men.

    ?But having survived the ravages of the Reformation they are now threatened by bat urine.

    ?And these are irreplaceable parts of our natural heritage.? Under the terms of the EU Habitats Directive, destroying the breeding sites or resting places of bats is a criminal offence carrying a maximum sentence of six months in prison.

    The situation has left many churches facing huge cleaning and repair bills, and even forced them to take additional measures to accommodate their unwanted guests.

    For example, the small parish church of Wiggenhall, St Germans, was forced to fit a ?bat flap? when replacing a small broken window pane, pushing up the cost from ?5 to ?140.

    Environment Minister Richard Benyon acknowledged that churches faced serious problems from bats, but warned that issuing licences would lead to lengthy and costly legal challenges.
    'My mind strays from the sermon now and I look up to see the impact bats may be having in my own church'

    Environment minister Richard Benyon

    He suggested that concerned congregations should contact the ?National Bat Helpline? for advice on minimising the damage caused by bat colonies.

    The Government is focusing on making sure that guidance issued by the helpline and by conservation body Natural England is ?clear, proportionate and unambiguous?.

    The Government is also funding research looking into bat deterrents and alternative roosting sites such as bat boxes.

    Mr Benyon said so far acoustic devices are providing the best hope and further trials will be rolled out this year to prove that bats will not get used to them.

    He said: ?Since this has been brought to my attention, it?s rather changed the way I look at churches, and occasionally my mind strays from the sermon now and I look up to see the impact bats may be having in my own church and elsewhere.?

    Mr Benyon went on: ?Like you, I simply do not believe that it was the intention of those who drafted the Habitats Directive to render places of worship unusable to congregations or to impose unreasonable financial burdens to those congregations.?

    A European Commission spokesman last night insisted that the British government had the power to vary the rules in cases where bats were causing damage.

    The spokesman said: ?Member states can derogate from the strict protection based on Article 16 of the Habitats Directive. One reason for doing this would be to prevent serious damage to property.

    ?The Commission is therefore convinced that it is possible to protect both bats and churches.?

    Churches could be closed because of EU directive about bats | Mail Online

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    I've posted this article, but have also noticed that it fails to mentoin the Habitats directive which protects older buildings.. so the churches can do what they want to protect!

    But this could interfere with other buildings..

    **** the EU and their travelling circus...
    ich bin stolz ein deutscher zu sein.

    Meathead Lufter Verein - iScheitern

  • GastonJ
    V.I.P. Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 5505

    #2
    Originally posted by Kalipo

    A European Commission spokesman last night insisted that the British government had the power to vary the rules in cases where bats were causing damage.

    The spokesman said: ***8216;Member states can derogate from the strict protection based on Article 16 of the Habitats Directive. One reason for doing this would be to prevent serious damage to property.

    ***8216;The Commission is therefore convinced that it is possible to protect both bats and churches.***8217;
    So as it says it's up to the UK government on whether to adopt the legislation or not, and they have, and as usual that comic you read has given you the headlines that it wants you to read, rather than do any research before thinking "well the Daily Mail article is a load of bollox, it's the government who have adopted the regulations in the way they have and are passing the buck".

    However even before this, as back as 1981 or earlier....
    Which legislation is relevant for bats and roosts?

    • In England and Wales, the relevant legislation is the Wildlife and Countryside Act (1981) (as amended); the Countryside and Rights of Way Act, 2000; the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act (NERC, 2006); and by the Conservation of Habitats and Species Regulations (2010).
    • In Scotland, the key legislation that applies is the Conservation (Natural Habitats &c.) Regulations 1994 (as amended).
    • In Northern Ireland bats are listed under Schedule 2 of the Conservation (Natural Habitats etc) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1995 and in the Republic of Ireland, under Schedule 5 of the Wildlife Act 1976 and Schedule 1 of the European Communities (Natural Habitats) Regulations 1997.

    Defences include:
    1. Tending/caring for a bat solely for the purpose of restoring it to health and subsequent release
    2. Mercy killing where there is no reasonable hope of recovery (provided that person did not cause the injury in the first place - in which case the illegal act has already taken place).

    Penalties on conviction - the maximum fine is ?5,000 per incident or per bat (some roosts contain several hundred bats), up to six months in prison, and forfeiture of items used to commit the offence, eg vehicles, plant, machinery.

    Bats and the Law - Bat Conservation Trust

    The biggest threat to churches is that they have decreasing congregations and less in donations, it's been happening for years and looks set to continue. People have stopped following myths, apart from the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph
    Last edited by GastonJ; 28 June, 2013, 22:41.
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    • Snowy79
      DK Veteran
      • Jan 2011
      • 1347

      #3
      I wonder if the EU will protect those that believe in God. After all they're batty

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      • Meat-Head
        V.I.P. Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 32000

        #4
        Well as. A member that only goes to church when somebody is hatched, matched or dispatched think it is wrong closing a church

        what will happen is you will get homeless polish people swuatting (theres a thread on here about that) then before you know it meatloaf songs and they burnt the place down

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        • GastonJ
          V.I.P. Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 5505

          #5
          Yeah sure. Meaty you'll know the answer to this - I already know the answer

          "Which body insist on MOT's being carried out on cars yearly instead of every 2 years? and so costs people money needlessly"

          ....
          My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
          Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
          No good deed goes unpunished....

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          • Meat-Head
            V.I.P. Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 32000

            #6
            Does ut habve the wird. Hm and revenue in it

            off topic

            search my posts for pizza delivery driver and bubba

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            • GastonJ
              V.I.P. Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 5505

              #7
              No. The EU thought a roadworthy test for cars (MOT to you) would be ok every 2 years, rather than every year to bring all countries into line. However they left it up to each government to decide, guess which government decided to stick with every year at ?50 a throw? Ain't seen a headline like

              "UK Government Aholes keep 1 year roadworthy test for your car despite EU saying 2 years is enough"

              Strange eh, seems like the Tory propaganda papers only print headlines (even incorrect ones) that slate Europe of late. Wonder why

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-failures.html

              If it's about safety as the UK government claim then how come they adopted the law whereby older cars don't need an MOT? Find a car in a barn, totally cked and drive it away, no tax and MOT required...
              Last edited by GastonJ; 29 June, 2013, 22:44.
              My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
              Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
              No good deed goes unpunished....

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              • Meat-Head
                V.I.P. Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 32000

                #8
                OFF TOPIC

                Speaking of tory. Must email m/c tory party

                got a propergander leaflet fir election. But was printed like 300 miles away in another county. Must ask why, when we have "Meat Print Ltd ". Ooops free advert for. "Meat Print Ltd"

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                • Cod3waX
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 1011

                  #9
                  2 quick fixes that they could do to solve this

                  1. bats sleep during the day so put in the roof some knockout gas then collect them all up and release then FIX THE ROOF!

                  2. Bats hate light so put some light in the roof at night

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