Working parents may hit 'ceiling'

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Families with children risk ending up worse off by working full time than if they cut back their hours under the Government's flagship welfare reforms, a report has warned.

They will hit a "ceiling" where despite working more, their disposable income after childcare costs will fail to increase or even fall in some cases as their benefits are steeply withdrawn, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF) found.

The report was commissioned to probe whether Universal Credit, which combines six different benefits and tax credits into one simplified payment, will achieve its goal of making work pay. It suggested that people without children will generally have stronger incentives to work.

Moving into "mini jobs" of up to 10 hours a week would see families better off under the shake-up, but working beyond this threshold results in a slow climb towards a higher disposable income, it found. Families could end up "trapped" on inadequate funds to get by.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/working-parents-may-hit-ceiling-230711398.html

[GastonJ]

I'll go with the what's in it for me answer.....

"They shouldn't have had kids if they couldn't afford it, why do they expect me to pay for them to breed??? They can get free condoms form the clinics, that should be enough"

[Meat-Head]

Yeah, but like 1 bed flats thers going to be no 10 hour jobs

[Snowy79]

Society is in danger of breading intelligence out of the gene pool. The intelligent people are busy working to get a decent standard of living while only having one or two kids that they'll pass their hard working genes onto. The workshy and unemployable as they're too thick or only suitable for menial jobs expect to be subsidised to have more kids. It's getting to the stage where those that can't get jobs look on having kids as a money earner. Their kids are now having their own kids and passing their idle genes on. In areas of Glasgow there's some families now on their third generation where no one has held down a job just been subsidised by the tax payer.T

[Kalipo]

This doesn't directly effect me in any way! as i don't claim any benefits whatsoever!.. Tax credits is more hassle and not worth it IMHO..

I cant believe im saying this but.. I'm agreeing with GastonJ on this one..If you can't afford it.. Bum your mrs instead! its easier, Tighter and you dont get woken up by smelly crying sprogs!

What next from the government!

Force Orville to break historic links with Keith Harris??

[darwins]

Bum your mrs instead! .... ...........
Or maybe follow our inspirational politicians Call me dave ok george

[GastonJ]

This doesn't directly effect me in any way! as i don't claim any benefits whatsoever!.. Tax credits is more hassle and not worth it IMHO..

I cant believe im saying this but.. I'm agreeing with GastonJ on this one..If you can't afford it.. Bum your mrs instead! its easier, Tighter and you dont get woken up by smelly crying sprogs!

Wouldn't agree with me, my comment was dripping in sarcasm about the "what's in it for me" crowd - you must be one of them. My kids are all grown up, so doesn't affect me - which is a lie since my taxes are paying for it. I bought my kids up with no help from the government however I can understand in these sh*t times when employers won't pay a living wage why tax credits and the like are needed. **Minimum wage needs to be raised to a standard of living wage**

Right now I'm subsidising employers to underpay people which is wrong. Pay the living wage and the country would save a fortune f**king bunch of profitering misers - I'm subsiding a bunch of shareholders and directors profits.

[Kalipo]

No, im not in that crowd.. dont claim.. whats the point in paying to take back out??

Im self employed so dont get paid low wages like most..

[Meat-Head]

Im self employed ..

Thought you worked for the company with the 'Prancing Nancy' logo

[rds60h]

Yeah, but like 1 bed flats thers going to be no 10 hour jobs

One of the problems with employment at the moment is that many jobs are only offered as part time, so that the employer does not have as many responsibilities for those it employs.
Also when these "part time" positions are filled they are almost all asked to work "overtime" hours, which they inevitably do but this then messes with any benefits they are entitled to claim because of the low income and usually means that they have to continuously work "overtime" because to return to the benefit paid for low income takes to long.
It is just any other scam, particularly for large employers.

[GastonJ]

Thought you worked for the company with the 'Prancing Nancy' logo

He did say he was self employed, so his logo is probably his portrait

[bobwill]

Wouldn't agree with me, my comment was dripping in sarcasm about the "what's in it for me" crowd - you must be one of them.

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I thought you had finally seen the light
next time you do sarcasm you could use the new sarcasm punctuation mark

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6995354/Sarcasm-punctuation-mark-aims-to-put-an-end-to-email-confusion.html

or dk could use a program by French company Spotter who has developed an analytics tool that claims to be able to identify sarcastic comments posted online.
Spotter says its clients include the Home Office, EU Commission and Dubai Courts.

or you could just put in a picture after
[IMG]http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/image

[GastonJ]

I'll go with <sarcasm> and </sarcasm> in future if that helps

If it really is time to cut down on then welfare budget then as I said above, move the minimum wage up over time towards a living wage. It will mean that tax credits and other subsidies that have to be paid because of the greed of companies will no longer have to be made. I'm not saying put the rise in place straight away but phase it in. People then have an incentive to work (as if being the breadwinner isn't enough!!!) and the taxpayers subsidy to make it up to a living wage to allow greater profits for companies disappears and the government can cut the welfare budget. Easy. Before anyone points out that it will drive companies away having to pay out a real wage, they also said that about the minimum wage and here we are without companies leaving the UK like rats from a sinking ship.

[Meat-Head]

He did say he was self employed, so his logo is probably his portrait

i was refering to this 'Prancing Nancy'

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The one before they used was this one, here look


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Where if you look at it as is, you can cover up the two dots and say

"Sometime BT were early" (9:30) <TURN 90 Deg Clockwise>

"Sometimes BT were late" (11:45) <TURN 180 Deg Counter Clockwise) - uncover the two dots - cover up the rest of logo

"Then some times they made a balls up"

[Snowy79]

Setting the minimum wage was a god send for a lot of employers. Prior to it they had to play with their conscience to pay a shi@ wage. Now they just have to quote Government regulations. If anything it's allowed them to drop their wages as they're complying with law. Raising it won't help either as the sooner you raise it the sooner companies will raise their prices to make up for the loss in profits. Added to that the fact that there are loads of civil servants who don't work for profit making companies this wage would have to be subsidised by the tax payer. As for companies jumping ship and moving overseas there's been plenty that have moved their production and call centres overseas.