EU delivers hammer blow to Royal Mail plans with ban on State help

[Kalipo]

These arse clowns just never give up do they!

The UK Government will be helpless to prevent huge job losses and a looming pensions disaster when the Royal Mail is privatised, due to EU regulation

Paul Nuttall MEP, UKIP Deputy Leader points out that Westminster will be hamstrung by the same EU regulations that forced it into privatisation.

?It was of course three successive EU Postal Services Directives that created this mess, and under the same law the Government will be banned from giving the Royal Mail any state aid if it catastrophically fails.

?The Postal Services Directive made it clear that the market for mail delivery had to be opened up to competition. As a result, the more profitable services such as business mail were forced to compete with cheaper foreign competitors while Royal Mail was lumbered with the costly hand-delivery and sorting processes. On top of that, as life has moved progressively online we are sending fewer and fewer letters. The Royal Mail was doomed.

?Now the final nail is in the coffin and the Royal Mail will become fully privatised, it?s going to really struggle to compete in the market place. In order to survive there will have to be closures. There will have to be job losses. These employees? shares that are being championed by the Prime Minister will be completely and utterly worthless. But under EU state aid rules the UK Government will be strictly forbidden from helping the Royal Mail with taxpayers? money. It will also be forbidden to help plug the ?9 billion pension pot deficit.

?We will be left with a completely destroyed Royal Mail, once a proud British institution that did so much more than just deliver letters. We can thank the EU for that, and we can also thank the EU when Westminster finally wakes up and realises there?s a disaster in the post.?



Notes:

? The directives forced Royal Mail to take the burden of the universal obligation to deliver all personal mail, while being forced open up to competition in the business mail section of the service to foreign competitors.

? Business mail is the profitable side of the service which helps to pay for the less profitable personal mail. However the EU has allowed companies to compete with Royal Mail for business mail, thus reducing the vital income that they needed to survive. This has of course made the service much poorer. Many of the foreign companies which now compete with Royal Mail, such as DHL, are foreign state subsidised.

? It was EU state-aid laws which resulted in the closing of thousands of Post Offices several years ago. These EU rules are intended to stop the government intervening to "distort" the EU Common Market by favouring one company over the other - but in practise what happened was that the Government was banned, by the EU Commission, to give the Post Office network the subsidies it needed to keep every branch open - which led to large-scale closures up and down the country.

? Labour MEP, Brian Simpson, championed the legislation and helped to force it through the EU parliament! Yet the Labour party now pretend it's a bad thing to privatise the mail

? There were several votes in the EU "parliament" on this privatisation of the mail service and at every stage it was only UKIP that voted against. Labour, Lib Dems and the Tories all voted in favour of these EU laws.



WARNING LINK BELOW IS DANGEROUS TO GASTONJ

EU delivers hammer blow to Royal Mail plans with ban on State help

[Meat-Head]

ADMIN - GOT a PROBLEM.

Would just like to only 'Dislike' the above post, not 'like' it - that stinks - soon will be no such thing as a standard letter posting.

w@nkers in the EU

[GastonJ]

Can't have it both ways, it's either a nationalised state owned company, or a company that's in it to make a profit for it's owners. Once privatised why should the taxpayers subsidise it ???? If the government were allowed to pick and choose which public companies to give money to then where does it stop ? Will they subsidise my corner shop against asda ?

As for the pension fund, people are forgetting that the government took the pension money of ?28 billion last year.... Where do you think the tax allowance bribe rise came from ?

It's this government that is choosing to sell off a company that is making a profit, they don't have to. Would you sooner have ?1000 in you pocket now as a one off payment or ?100 a year for the rest of your life ? Take the Tory option, sell it off and waste it on tax bribes for the next election rather than think of the future long term good. Then blame the eu for your own incompetence because it suits you.

[darwins]

I just wish governments were buisness minded, they will sale royal mail to their chums instead of making it work for the country just like other national companies of intrest.

[Meat-Head]

Off topic

in whatever country or reglious software all your wages go to the church, but you say you need new laptop to get on dk church pats for it, sane sane with washingmachine

[GastonJ]

ADMIN - GOT a PROBLEM.

Would just like to only 'Dislike' the above post, not 'like' it - that stinks - soon will be no such thing as a standard letter posting.

w@nkers in the EU

Like I wrote above, it's not the EU that's selling the Post Office off, it's the UK government who are privatising it. Make a fast buck by selling it, use the cash for tax cuts before the next election. If you don't get 6 day a week delivery of letters it's this government that will be responsible for not putting safeguards in place as part of the sell off - although I'm sure they'll make claims, when it happens, that its' "market forces". Wonder how many MP's will be on the boards of companies/hedge funds who buy the Post Office shares, the proposed TSB and RBS sales at knockdown rates..

[Meat-Head]

Well as a VIP DK member how do i object to this sail of the post orrfice?

[GastonJ]

Too late m8, they've decided to do it and so they will. Their friends will but the shares at knockdown prices and the money will be wasted rather than go to paying of the national debt. Once privatised services will slowly be cut and home deliveries will be a thing of the past. I seem to recall that there is already legislation in place to deliver to your local dropoff point, e.g. a supermarket where the hard up, minimum wage or government paid, shelf stackers and bag packers can sift through it all and pocket any that contain cash or cheques not doubt.

As Dave the car saelesman says "We know what the British people want"...... he just does the opposite and does what he feels is good for the pockets of companies that, when his political career dies a death, he can be a consultant for.

[GastonJ]

Now the final nail is in the coffin and the Royal Mail will become fully privatised, it's going to really struggle to compete in the market place. In order to survive there will have to be closures. There will have to be job losses. These employees shares that are being championed by the Prime Minister will be completely and utterly worthless. But under EU state aid rules the UK Government will be strictly forbidden from helping the Royal Mail with taxpayers money. It will also be forbidden to help plug the ?9 billion pension pot deficit.

Notes:

This has of course made the service much poorer. Many of the foreign companies which now compete with Royal Mail, such as DHL, are foreign state subsidised.

Well taking ?28 billion the government took as the pension fund from the Post Office, invest it wisely and it'll plug the deficit over time. Oh hold on they can't invest it, the government gave it away to make the happier..

As for DHL being subsidised, far from it, they cannot be subsidised either - the EU ruled against that as well, quite rightly.

BBC News - Deutsche Post told to repay state aid by EU

Either the company makes a profit or it sinks, and that depends on the shareholders and how much they take out as dividends. If the company is paying dividends and losing money it is because of the greed of the shareholders. Taxpayers money should not go to shareholders as profits.

Any more myths?

[Meat-Head]

Yeah myth states d hl. went bust. They should have took iShit witht them crap

[super jumbe]

I wonder that hammer blow was it a sledge hammer blow?

[Kalipo]

Like I wrote above, it's not the EU that's selling the Post Office off, it's the UK government who are privatising it. Make a fast buck by selling it, use the cash for tax cuts before the next election. If you don't get 6 day a week delivery of letters it's this government that will be responsible for not putting safeguards in place as part of the sell off - although I'm sure they'll make claims, when it happens, that its' "market forces". Wonder how many MP's will be on the boards of companies/hedge funds who buy the Post Office shares, the proposed TSB and RBS sales at knockdown rates..

No, its Privatise the Royal Mail, but what is not mentioned is that much of this is of the EUs doing. This overall objective of the EU is, of course, to detach national monopolies from the nation states, key symbols of national identity and control, and to create a European postal service.

Post Office sell-off: the EU elephant disappears

Even the Italian communist party has cottoned on to what the UK government is doing!..

The wool has been pulled over GastonJ's eyes like the rest of the public in the UK.

Italian Communist Party Says 'A First Class No' To UK Royal Mail Sale

Not sure if GastonJ will allow the sources as the ones mentioned above.

[GastonJ]

The wool has been pulled over GastonJ's eyes like the rest of the public in the UK.

Yes so lucky that the wool isn't in my head like you or even in your wellingtons as you stand in a field with a sheep in front of you.... Perhaps you should continue to believe the political right parties and the myths - stay away from reality, it means you have to think and analyse for yourself what's going on rather than be told what to think - which you seem very adept at. You perhaps need to read the Italian Communist party's statement again, it's an attack on capitalism and the Tory/Lib party policies more than anything else.

[Kalipo]

Yes so lucky that the wool isn't in my head like you or even in your wellingtons as you stand in a field with a sheep in front of you.... Perhaps you should continue to believe the political right parties and the myths - stay away from reality, it means you have to think and analyse for yourself what's going on rather than be told what to think - which you seem very adept at. You perhaps need to read the Italian Communist party's statement again, it's an attack on capitalism and the Tory/Lib party policies more than anything else.

The Gestapo has spoken...

[Meat-Head]

The Gestapo has spoken...

No mate, perhaps you could check the facts before typing, mine was the last post, not the Gestapo

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f86/parking-fines-hit-130-a-352559/

Or are we on about differant version of Gestapro?