800,000 UK jobs advertised in EU

[gmb45]

if figures true we cant be calling migrant workers init

[GastonJ]

Aye, however that won't stop the newspapers at all, they never let facts get in the way of a story, same for MP's. Make a wild quote and then distort the statistics when you get called. Employers are free to advertise their jobs anywhere, just that freedom of travel to work is one of the things which makes it easier for EU citizens to get the jobs without all the messy visa type stuff. What's really needed, as I've already written, is analysis of the skills gaps and real investment in training to fill those gaps - not training in stupid degrees and the like which do nothing. Until that happens skilled jobs, that can't be filled by people in the UK, will continue to be advertised elsewhere.

[Kalipo]

Gaston.

Your figures are all good in saying..

But if .1% of the 4.2 million British workers live and work in each member state that does not equate to the however much from all member states coming here..

We're getting far more..

**** the EU.. OUT OUT OUT OUT!!

[GastonJ]

It doesn't matter how many, if the British worker isn't trained then the job isn't available to them. If all 800,000 jobs were for doctors how many British people could even do the job, not 800,000 for sure. F'all point in getting a pointless degree which has no relevance to employment. Somewhere on DK I listed pointless courses that were being run and I bet those courses are still well attended as "an easy to get degree", which is no help in getting a skilled job, end of. Strategic planning by government is is needed to train people so they can apply for an get a job that pays money, that's what we're missing. For too long we've had governments who think training courses for 16 years olds is enough, it's not and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

[bobwill]

If you look at jobs advertised in uk all the ones I looked at where advertised not by the employers but by the
Department for Work and Pensions, Public Employment Services, United Kingdom
so it the dole office that is advertising the jobs to none UK workers while telling UK people that if you do not get a job
we will stop your benefits,

[GastonJ]

If you look at jobs advertised in uk all the ones I looked at where advertised not by the employers but by the
Department for Work and Pensions, Public Employment Services, United Kingdom
so it the dole office that is advertising the jobs to none UK workers while telling UK people that if you do not get a job
we will stop your benefits,

You mean the jobs advertised there said "No British citizens are allowed to apply"? I didn't realise that they were allowed to discriminate against people that way. Point me to the job that says that and I'll bang in a complaint under discrimination - I could do with some compensation money

[bobwill]

I did not write that uk workers can not apply I wrote that the dole were advertising the job to eu citizens as well as uk citizens
so please dont be one every day please have one day off

[Kalipo]

I give up argueing with gaston a long time ago.. he is pro EU..

[GastonJ]

So what you're saying is that anyone can apply for the jobs from any country in the EU, if they are literate and can manage to read the adverts. the Telegraph consider that news. Do Telegraph readers even know the UK is in the EU as well, or are they just going to jump on the whinge bandwagon. Piss poor comic.

[Kalipo]

So what you're saying is that anyone can apply for the jobs from any country in the EU, if they are literate and can manage to read the adverts. the Telegraph consider that news. Do Telegraph readers even know the UK is in the EU as well, or are they just going to jump on the whinge bandwagon. Piss poor comic.

I dont think it really matters anymore.. TBH Gaston i think your pissing in the wind. When we get the vote on the EU we WILL be leaving the EU for good.... and i say WHEN.. because any party that doesnt offer a vote will be committing suicide.. the public want out..

Argue all you like bicker amongst yourself. I assure you with the current polls we WILL leave..

And it cant be tarnished in anyway because its not a party issue, its a national issue.. its what the public want!

[GastonJ]

And it cant be tarnished in anyway because its not a party issue, its a national issue.. its what the public want!

You asked them all then? Told them how much it would cost to leave and how much it would cost to stay? If your "It's what the public want" is the same as Dave's then seeing is believing.

[Kalipo]

You asked them all then? Told them how much it would cost to leave and how much it would cost to stay? If your "It's what the public want" is the same as Dave's then seeing is believing.

There has been countless polls.. your good at figures.. go figure!

The cost of leaving is like saying get rid of the queen.. and go for presidency.. which costs far more..

You wont sway me in anyway.. belittling those who want to leave seems to be the way of the pro EU nazis..

[GastonJ]

See that's your problem. I'm neither for nor against the EU. When I quote something it's usually backed up by facts and figures, not hearsay. So when we know for a fact that EU membership costs say ?8 billion then that cost is a known fact.

However what is unknown is the cost of companies moving to the EU so that they won't pay import tariffs into the EU and the job losses that may result, the cost to us of having to pay tariffs to export to the countries in the EU and so on if we leave. Without that figure being known then it's all just hot air and the opinion of those that have something to personally gain from leaving - not an unbiased opinion.

Any vote taken without the full cost etc is worthless and will be biased by those that will gain personally for money or whatever they think they'll get out of it.

Take the Scotland vote - the cost of staying in union is known *full stop* the cost to any part of the UK by so called independence is unknown, since each side has it's own lies to tell and gains to make. Independence means just that any country that wants it should pay for all their own services, post, pensions, social services, driver licensing, road tax, embassies, roads, hospitals, tax collection/offices, sea defence, stock exhange, central bank, printing it's own money, controlling it's own interest rates, it's own armed forces and defence, it's own border and customs control, immigration control, passport control the whole f'king lot. Anything short of that is a sham and is not an independent country.

So how much will that cost to setup and run - has Alex said, has he f'k he's hiding from the truth. As are UKIP and the millionaires who don't give a **** how much it costs Joe Public to leave the EU as long as they can line their pockets.

[TCBigsy31]

Except they're only advertised there because either:

1) People in the UK don't have the right skills or......
2) People don't want to apply for the jobs

The employer decides where they advertise, the government doesn't *tell* them where to advertise, it's f'k all to do with the government. Where the government do need to take action is on

1) Free or subsidised relevant training rather than a degree in David Beckham studies which is a waste of money
2) Living wage rather than making the rest of us pay t make up peoples wages.

Until Birtitsh workers are trained and there is a real wage then we'll continue to bring people in from outside who are trained and motivated.

Too right. But its not just that. EU subsidies for travel and paying the company to take them on is also coming out of our own pocket. The UK taxpayer gives money to the British government, the British government spend it on services and partially fund the EU.

[badapple]

Stay in the EU

I think it will be a big disaster for UK if we leave the EU.

Migrant workers ARE needed to fill the gaps that the UK workers just don't want to fill.
The jobs that are offered overseas ARE also offered in the UK but nobody from the UK wants them.
I think most UK people are ashamed to do lower end/unskilled jobs, like cleaning, shop workers, hospital porters, thats why they are fill with foreign workers.

I used to work for Arriva buses as a area assistant manager, few years back, we just could not get UK workers to apply for drivers jobs, even though there was a job centre just across the road and all cost & expenses of travelling & training was covered by us. almost every applicant was from a foreign migrant. The company was struggling to cope due to lack of drivers, so finally, they decided to "import" foreign bus drivers.

I now have a small business of my own with 52 staff, 47 are "foreigners." WHY??? just cannot get UK staff!, and if I did'nt employ foreigners then my business would have closed down long time ago.

Almost all of the UK manufacturing has been sold and/or moved abroad.
Every business needs to save money and make profit, be it in the UK or abroad and produce/sell their products "in profit" and of course line the pockets of the shareholders, and if you cannot get UK staff for your business, then one will have to look overseas as they CAN get overseas staff & pay a lower wage.

The UK has become a country of unskilled people. Lack of education, training, apprenticeship has cripples the UK.

And going by the above figures, 4.2 million peeps going out of UK & 3.7 million coming into UK, evens out really. It don't matter which EU country they are coming from as almost the same amount of UK workers are going to foreign countries for work.

On the one hand, UK workers don't want to do lower end/unskilled jobs & on the other hand they complain if foreign workers are hired!!!: