Jobless 'To Be Forced To Work' For Benefits

[super jumbe]

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith will announce tough new conditions on the payment of unemployment benefits at the Conservative Party conference next week, according to reports.

The Daily Mail reported that the long-term unemployed will be told that they must do an unpaid full-time job or lose their benefits.

The paper said it was expected that claimants who go through the Work Programme - the Government's main back-to-work scheme - but fail to find a job will be required to take part in unpaid community work or work experience.

Refusal to do so could mean the loss of welfare payments.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jobless-unpaid-lose-benefits-011942975--finance.html#On7mwTa

[super jumbe]

I will only get worried when the state is going to turn to communist party work for nothing!!!!!!

[gmb45]

hmmm although im not against this, do you think these peeps forced into this will actually do anything while on the prog ? a better idea would be to pay them minimum wage while on the prog but unemployment benefit is suspended but still keeping the other benefits like housing benefit, council tax etc, this way they would work, get some self esteem back, and extra money in their pockets while they on the scheme, if they didnt work they would be sacked and loose their benefits, but the gov just want slave labour.

[tornado]

Im all for it but it should not be any type off work where others get paid to do it like tesco etc or there just be used with no job at the end off it and be like slaves, it is a hard one.

[Snowy79]

Unemployment Benefits need a whole new way of looking at it. They should start by calling it Tax Payer Funded Loans. Every citizen should have an account based on their National Insurance number. If you've paid in your account is in credit. If you've never paid in it should be in Debit. Once you reach a set amount of Debit you should be foreced to work wherever the Government sees fit. If you're employed by Tescos etc they pay the Government the equivelent of the minimum wage to reduce your debit. Too many people see work as a waste of time as they argue it's not worth working as they only get the equivelent of ?20 extra for a weeks work. The seam to forget to add in the value of the other benefits.

If you have reached another set level of debt you should then be forced to share facilities to reduce the loans the Taxpayer gives you. i.e Fill the spare bedrooms in the houses of those on benefits with spare rooms.

[GastonJ]

While they're at it they can get rid of tax credits, family working credit and family allowance, then people would be better off for not subsidising poorly paid jobs and people f***ing without condoms when they can't afford kids. I'd also like to see an end to state pensions, may as well let them starve to death and save about ?80 billion a year - they ain't got long to live anyway, they're just clinging to a pointless life.

Believe the above and you'll believe anything......

[rds60h]

Unemployment Benefits need a whole new way of looking at it. They should start by calling it Tax Payer Funded Loans. Every citizen should have an account based on their National Insurance number. If you've paid in your account is in credit. If you've never paid in it should be in Debit. Once you reach a set amount of Debit you should be foreced to work wherever the Government sees fit. If you're employed by Tescos etc they pay the Government the equivelent of the minimum wage to reduce your debit. Too many people see work as a waste of time as they argue it's not worth working as they only get the equivelent of ?20 extra for a weeks work. The seam to forget to add in the value of the other benefits.

If you have reached another set level of debt you should then be forced to share facilities to reduce the loans the Taxpayer gives you. i.e Fill the spare bedrooms in the houses of those on benefits with spare rooms.

And what if you're one of those who has worked and paid their dues but then find themselves physically or mentally unable to work then their "credit" runs out ?
Or, you are in a 2 bedroom house and can't move to a smaller property because there are none available or indeed you have bought and paid for said house. You still have pride and keep your house clean, tidy and quiet and you are forced to have a psychopathic, alcoholic, flea ridden junkie as a "lodger" ?
Is that really fair or right ?

[GastonJ]

You die because you're poor and need help. This government and country isn't here for he benefit of poor people, I'd have thought everyone would have figured that out by now...... There is no room for the poor or needy in a Tory UK.

[PremierD]

They then prescribe pills for that ... a get to **** out of it pill .. but you need to buy them ..

[Snowy79]

If you've paid your dues or haven't due to mental or physical issues the money saved on people who can work but refuse to as the job is beneath can support you. Before the old there's no jobs out there arguement pops up I take it there's no foreign workers in this country who've travelled hundreds of miles and have just a grasp of the language getting jobs. As for a sharing with flee ridden junkies etc. Is everyone you know is one or maybe it's just a small portion of society, who if we had enough money we could target and maybe even help get over their issues. Thousands of University students and military personel even a load of Government funded sheltered accomodation and Bed and Breakfast digs share without any issues. Maybe it's just council tenants then that fit this image.

There's no easy solution but we can't do everything. You either get on top of your benefits bill or cut back elsewhere. NHS, Police etc then everyone will be up in arms about the standard of the NHS and police not investigating crimes as they've no money. It's a no win situation.

And what if you're one of those who has worked and paid their dues but then find themselves physically or mentally unable to work then their "credit" runs out ?Or, you are in a 2 bedroom house and can't move to a smaller property because there are none available or indeed you have bought and paid for said house. You still have pride and keep your house clean, tidy and quiet and you are forced to have a psychopathic, alcoholic, flea ridden junkie as a "lodger" ?
Is that really fair or right ?

[GastonJ]

There's no easy solution but we can't do everything. You either get on top of your benefits bill or cut back elsewhere. NHS, Police etc then everyone will be up in arms about the standard of the NHS and police not investigating crimes as they've no money. It's a no win situation.

But they've been doing that for the last 3 years, the debt is still rising and there still is no money. They've already been cutting back on the NHS and police as well, there was no ring fencing of NHS money, the NHS was give no choice but to save ?20 billion. Someone somewhere is sat on a bucketful of money and isn't letting on, perhaps the money was in Gazz'a account, since he isn't clear how much he had either

[rds60h]

"Before the old there's no jobs out there arguement pops up I take it there's no foreign workers in this country who've travelled hundreds of miles and have just a grasp of the language getting jobs"
And who has been financing these foreign workers to come here with grants to attend interviews and grants to move here if the interview is successful ?
Who is going to employ a British worker when they can employ these foreign workers, be paid a bonus for taking them on and then legally pay them less than the minimum wage in the UK because they are allowed to only have to pay these migrant workers the equivalent minimum wage of the country they have come from ?

[GastonJ]

Aye there are jobs out there, however since nothing has been done in past years to educate people (in more than David Becham degree studies) to enable them to take the jobs. I see no evidence from the current government that that is going to change either. That's real training for jobs, not like I've seen of late in the apprenticeship scheme my company has taken part in where we get people who haven't a clue and absolutely no interest in the 'job' they've been sent along to do. I'm quite lucky I enjoy my job and money is of very little interest to me, if it were I'd have been long gone, but I would pity anyone forced to do a job they'd hate doing for the next 50 years of their life.

Can you imagine being forced into a job doing something that you hate? would you be putting everything into it to make sure your employer was successful? I think not.

[gmb45]

especially being paid minimum wage pish which is bejond a joke ffs

[GastonJ]

especially being paid minimum wage pish which is bejond a joke ffs

But that wouldn't make much difference if it was a job you chose and enjoyed going to do. Can you imagine if a doctor hated his/her job, "ahh f**k it I can't be bothered to set that broken arm properly, I don't want to be here anyway" ? Doctors study for the time they do, and have the training, because it's a job they like. I don't know any unemployed doctors, do you? In short those who are employed and have been for any great length of time do so because they enjoy the job. I've never heard anyone say "ah have to get to work quick and work like hell because I hate the job", have you? So in forcing people to work in careers they don't want won't help, you'll end up with a load of peple doing half ar$ed jobs they hate.

However I really meant to add that training is the key to any job. The reason so many immigrants take the jobs in the UK is because of the failure of successive governments to lead the way to training people to do those jobs, or have allowed education to be so f**ked up that a degree in paper folding is available and the minimum qualification for a road sweeper, since everyone should be able to attain such a degree *if* you have the money to go to university that is. No wonder we have no manufacturing industry when stupid degrees are the norm.