Paying off what?

[Snowy79]

Sadly the things you list that you had under Labour is part of the problem. We'd all love to get the best of everything but there is only so much money. You can equate the economy to the housing market and why people lost their homes. Some borrowed beyond their means and found out they couldn't afford the payments and had them repossesed. Some lost their jobs due to the collapse of the econoomy and couldn't make their payments so lost their houses and some were just spending on shi@e to such an extent that they couldn't make payments. They'd prioritised buying Chantel and Denim expensive presents rather than pay their bills. Labour were the same.

They slag off the Tories for looking after the rich. You know the ones that pay the most tax. Even taking their bonuses into account if you give a brickie a ?10 bonus he buys a McDonalds and the government gat a portion of that back in tax. The banker goes out for a ?200 meal and we get more back in tax. Either way they are still getting hammered for tax. Look at the hospitals and schools built under Labour. You know Labour the ones that jumped up and down over privatisation and promised to re-nationalise industries when in opposition yet when in power dropped the idea except in the case of a couple of banks, which went tits up and cost the tax payer even more. They were even kind enough to sell off our Gold reserves for buttons and not to the public either, not to forget shafting our pensions. In fact they went even further they brought in Privater Finance Initiatives. Imagine the uproar if the Tories had said my Banker mate is lending the country money to build a new Hospital or School. It'll cost about ?20,000,000 but we'll give them a 25 years maintenance contract and lease the building. It'll only cost us ?100,000,000 over the term of the contract. Somehow it's OK to let their builder mates make a killing.

They are all scum. Labour, Conservative and the Libs. None of them are fit to run the country but sadly few are prepared to sit back and admit that actually the party that they've followed for years when you look at the evidence are as bad as the other party.

As for not mentioning being in a coalition they'd be mad to admit they're not good enough to be in power on their own even if behind closed doors they know they are. It's all part of brainwashing their followers and stopping the press calling them weak.

the amazing thing to me is how the tories make no mention of a coalition next time and consider they are able to win it themselves outright next time,now that is cloud cuckoo land,debt is debt and has always been part and parcel of each and every govts responsibility to manage it (which none seems to master in any varying degree) so lets just dispense with that part of these clowns manifesto.am I better off now than 3 years ago,no,we had massive debt under the labour govt but I had more money in my pocket,the ability to see a hospital specialist if needed with 2 weeks(in a lovely newly built state of the art hospital no less),my urban environment had money pumped into parks and recreation which with the more money I had I could spend in these places,the local schools were funded well,i could visit a library on any given day of the week(of my own choosing).I am just scraping the surface of the things that have been removed from my everyday choices with in the last 3 years and I expect no less.i am working class at the moment but could easily slip into to portion of society that some posters here regard as scum and scroungers and as such would never look down on them.if we have another term of tory rule then that could well become reality for all of us.

[caveman_nige]

I have no extra money in my pocket since this government took power but then again I did not expect any as the country was basically bankrupt when they took over. If any political party understood basic economics then would all be having to implement similar measures though in order that we deal with this problem. We make think we have it hard in the UK but many other countries have suffered far worse for not taking such steps and looking after their economies..

I understand what is being done, whilst I may not like it and am worse off I can see that if they did not do this then we would be in proper deep doo doo. This current problem is spread across almost all western economies and its really a global issue. Unfortunately we must all play our part for a period of time and tighten our own finances to adapt. Many (not all) lived beyond their means for many years and are now paying the price, whoes fault is that, their own most of the time. The previous government did the same and the country as a whole must pay unfortunately. Dropping taxes is not necessarily they way to go as the government needs more income not less, but in the same vane taxing the hell out of the well off is not the best idea as the wealth creators who we depend on for making companies and bringing business and jobs to this country will find somewhere else to do so.

I wish I was better off but do not expect to be due to something any UK government will do for me over the next 10 years, if i want to be better off it must be by my own devices. I want the UK to get back on its feet so I must accept we are in for further tough times as we over come this unprecedented economic turmoil, I may not like it but will take it on the chin as best i can and not sit around constantly whining about it..

[gc1966]

Sadly the things you list that you had under Labour is part of the problem. We'd all love to get the best of everything but there is only so much money. You can equate the economy to the housing market and why people lost their homes. Some borrowed beyond their means and found out they couldn't afford the payments and had them repossesed. Some lost their jobs due to the collapse of the econoomy and couldn't make their payments so lost their houses and some were just spending on shi@e to such an extent that they couldn't make payments. They'd prioritised buying Chantel and Denim expensive presents rather than pay their bills. Labour were the same.

They slag off the Tories for looking after the rich. You know the ones that pay the most tax. Even taking their bonuses into account if you give a brickie a ?10 bonus he buys a McDonalds and the government gat a portion of that back in tax. The banker goes out for a ?200 meal and we get more back in tax. Either way they are still getting hammered for tax. Look at the hospitals and schools built under Labour. You know Labour the ones that jumped up and down over privatisation and promised to re-nationalise industries when in opposition yet when in power dropped the idea except in the case of a couple of banks, which went tits up and cost the tax payer even more. They were even kind enough to sell off our Gold reserves for buttons and not to the public either, not to forget shafting our pensions. In fact they went even further they brought in Privater Finance Initiatives. Imagine the uproar if the Tories had said my Banker mate is lending the country money to build a new Hospital or School. It'll cost about ?20,000,000 but we'll give them a 25 years maintenance contract and lease the building. It'll only cost us ?100,000,000 over the term of the contract. Somehow it's OK to let their builder mates make a killing.

They are all scum. Labour, Conservative and the Libs. None of them are fit to run the country but sadly few are prepared to sit back and admit that actually the party that they've followed for years when you look at the evidence are as bad as the other party.

As for not mentioning being in a coalition they'd be mad to admit they're not good enough to be in power on their own even if behind closed doors they know they are. It's all part of brainwashing their followers and stopping the press calling them weak.

do you really feel that the things I touched on are regarded as the best of everything??????? apologies for getting above my station (doffs cap) I will now retreat back to my hovel and be thankful to the kind manager who stood on the factory steps and chose me from a sea of people to get a days work which in turn enabled me to put bread and jam on the table for our snap.

[GastonJ]

Hey when the government hands you a bag of sh*t and then asks you to pay the tax on it you're supposed to thank them for it, didn't you know?

[gc1966]

it is a harsh lesson,but yes,i have learned.

[Snowy79]

Feel free to inform us how you would pay for everything without taking more money from the tax payer, lots of whom are just clinging onto their houses by the skin of their teeth whilst reducing the national debt. I might be wrong but I'm sure there's a housing crisis so lets make others lose their houses and place a further burden on the state. Maybe even spend money we don't have building new subsidised ones which will no doubt maintain themselves at no cost.

There's a slight problem we have called a global economic crissis. Other Countries are also up the creek financialy and are trying to reduce their budgets. One way of doing this is to buy goods and services cheaper elsewhere and as you can get stuff from the other side of the World, which even with transportation added in works out cheaper than a lot of British companies can sell it for where do you think they'll get it from ? It's not as if we have any say in who runs their countries so they won't give a shi@ about us.

Our society has changed so much in the last generation that a lot don't even realise how well off they are compared to other countries. I'm sure there's plenty on here who can remember the days before central heating and indoor toilets. Sharing beds with other family members and having hand down clothes. No benefits, work houses and thousands dying of medical conditions that today you'd cure almost over night. People with disabilities were easily spotted (they tended to be the ones that couldn't work) Nowadays it's hard to say if they're diisabled or just coming it. We took it on the chin as that is all we had. We even had a thing called Community Spirit. Now everyone including those that have never and will never contribute to Society demand housing, a World class health service and to be looked after financially. If those paying for it have an issue they must be Toffs etc.

do you really feel that the things I touched on are regarded as the best of everything??????? apologies for getting above my station (doffs cap) I will now retreat back to my hovel and be thankful to the kind manager who stood on the factory steps and chose me from a sea of people to get a days work which in turn enabled me to put bread and jam on the table for our snap.

[gc1966]

Feel free to inform us how you would pay for everything without taking more money from the tax payer, lots of whom are just clinging onto their houses by the skin of their teeth whilst reducing the national debt. I might be wrong but I'm sure there's a housing crisis so lets make others lose their houses and place a further burden on the state. Maybe even spend money we don't have building new subsidised ones which will no doubt maintain themselves at no cost.

There's a slight problem we have called a global economic crissis. Other Countries are also up the creek financialy and are trying to reduce their budgets. One way of doing this is to buy goods and services cheaper elsewhere and as you can get stuff from the other side of the World, which even with transportation added in works out cheaper than a lot of British companies can sell it for where do you think they'll get it from ? It's not as if we have any say in who runs their countries so they won't give a shi@ about us.

Our society has changed so much in the last generation that a lot don't even realise how well off they are compared to other countries. I'm sure there's plenty on here who can remember the days before central heating and indoor toilets. Sharing beds with other family members and having hand down clothes. No benefits, work houses and thousands dying of medical conditions that today you'd cure almost over night. People with disabilities were easily spotted (they tended to be the ones that couldn't work) Nowadays it's hard to say if they're diisabled or just coming it. We took it on the chin as that is all we had. We even had a thing called Community Spirit. Now everyone including those that have never and will never contribute to Society demand housing, a World class health service and to be looked after financially. If those paying for it have an issue they must be Toffs etc.

right you are guvnor

[gc1966]

for someone who hates all political parties equally you do tend to complain about the labour party with much more gusto than any other.i freely and openly admit to being a full paid up,card carrying member of the labour party and do so with no sense of shame.it must be awful to secretly vote tory but be so ashamed to openly admit. it carries no more stigma in todays society than announcing to everyone that you are gay and as a consequence actually do like to be shafted on a regular basis.

[Snowy79]

I openly vote SNP but even agree that some of their ideas are pulled out of their backside. Idealy I'd like a coalition between the SNP and a Scottish version of UKIP. I detest Labour though as they take advantage of the working class loyalty and in the majority a lack of grasp as how to stabilise an economy. They target areas of depravation and poverty knowing they're that ignorant to the big picture that they can bribe them with promises of saving a couple of hundred quid in the short run.


As a small test to show how easy it is to lie to a Labour voter and still get his vote whilst convincing them the opposition are the nasy ones. Ask them the following questions:

The opposition put forward motions to privatise national industries and whilst it's going through Labour hold ralies and demonstrations against it and promise to reverse them if they get voted in. Once they get in they refuse to re-nationalise the same industries and tell their supporters how bad that Maggie Thatcher is. If the Labour supporters fall for it. Why?

The public push for a vote on the EU referendum as they're fed up getting told what to do by a goreign body and Labour agree to one as a nice little election vote grabber. When in power they decide the average man in the street isn't smart enough to decide so they tweek the wording then refuse to have a vote. Infact they even sign away more of our powers. If the Labour voters support his thinking. Why ?

Your party pretend they support the low paid yet do away with the 10p Tax limit meaning the low paid pay more tax. They shaft your pensions so they are worth a fraction of what you should have earned. Do you think they are still the working class heroes ?

The British workers are up in arms about the amount of immigrants coming into the country and your Labour PM promises British jobs for British workers. In the following year immigrant numbers go through the roof and more British jobs are lost. If you think he did a great job. Why ?

Your Labour PM uses some pretty dodgy intelligence to invade a Country against the wishes of the people. A country that's got FA to do with us. It costs us Billions in pounds and costs thousands of lives. Is his party doing a good job ?

Your ecomony goes through a major financial crisis whilst all financial institutions are controlled by your party. Do you blame them ?

I could go on but I'm sure you see where I'm coming from.

I'm from a single parent family with two brothers and one sister. I left school with no qualifications and was brought up in a scheme around Labour supporters. The only difference was I wasn't a sheep. I'd ask questions and get told just to shut up as they couldn't answer me. I got off my arse and worked hard. I've not been out of a job since I was nine if you include a paper round. I worked hard and paid for further training and education and today I've a Masters Degree, ran a few companies and now have a good standard of life. I still see my old mates and sadly see that the one's that escaped the doom and gloom and got off their arse don't support Labour the rest are Labour through and through. They'll never change as they can't see they're being taken for mugs.

Labour tell the sheep it's them and us. The rich and the poor but when you look closely one tries to get you off your arse and give you the opportunity to progress the other wants to keep you working class or unemployed. The facts speak for themselves.

[gc1966]

I quite happily fail the test,the only sticking point is that I do not fit the demographic you so eloquently pigeon-holed.

[GastonJ]

Hmmmmm I don't recall who I voted for at the last election, I vote with my conscience not with any particular party.

I started work through the Witch's years and went through a few jobs. I don't recall the government pushing me into a job, but then again I don't recall them helping me either. I know that particular government had some major faults and pisses a lot of people off, since they did so much. What we're seeing now is some of the aftermath of that particular government, housing booms, housing crashes, shortage of housing, massive amounts of credit and think about tomorrow if it arrives, what's in it for me people. But that's just generalising.

After privatisation it's always difficult, if not impossible to buy companies back. Oddly enough the shareholders seem to think they own the companies and want to see some profit - which I can't blame them for really. So the government, whichever doesn't matter, sell the shares for peanuts (watch the post office) and the share price rises dramatically to the extent where it would cost a lot more to nationalise it than it did to sell. I seem to recall something around Railtrack and a fair bit of legal action when that got taken back, however it's been a long day and I don't want to read that today - I may look tomorrow. So that answers why they can't renationalise them. Despite claims that they would want to. Though I haven't read much of Labours comments of late on whether they would take back the post office or not, so I can't comment on the lot they have running Labour now.

As for Europe it was a conservative government that signed up for the EU and all its' freedom of movement to work back in 1974, I didn't get to vote I was about 11 at the time. Though I'd still have voted for it. Better to be inside the circle than out. I'll start a thread on Europe if you wish, because all I hear is signing away of powers, leaving etc and yet no-one knows the cost of doing that. Not one party has said how much it will cost, although we know to the nearest penny what it cost to stay where we are.

While we're on about warmongers and using half or no truths, didn't Dave try to convince everyone that he had 'hard evidence' that the Syrian government had launched the chemical weapons? He tried to convince the UK, the US, well anyone who's listen. Still no evidence though.... strange eh? Trying to make a name for himself.

However dinner is ready and I must go, so I'll leave you with this thought@

This thread is about Dave saying it's getting better and about paying off the debt, and had one question. So far no answers.

[gc1966]

so many thanks for editing your post a full 30 minutes after my reply to include several paragraphs absent from your o/p,worthy of a parliamentary spin-doctor,bravo and hurrah

[gc1966]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RRh0QiXyZSk

[koppit]

who has had something improve for them as a direct result of the governments actions over the last 3 years.
the odds of losing my job has improved the same for my house. the odds someone i know may freeze or starve to death this winter or die before they reach an age old enough to draw a pension. read the papers, the country's up a creek. all but the 5% who've got 95% of the cash that is

[Snowy79]

Perks of me having a shi@e browser. It loaded before I finished. Basically what I'm getting at is all parties are in it for themselves and will use any underhanded means to get a vote. I like most people would vote for the party that is best for me and my family. You could write examples about any party and they would all be true to an extent. I just think that if voters voted for those that stuck to their policies the parties might actually follow them through. If they promise something on their manifesto and don't carry it out they should be stripped of power or at the least lose the one's at the top. They all promise something then throw up a smoke screen to hide what they've not done and the majority of the population fall for it.

so many thanks for editing your post a full 30 minutes after my reply to include several paragraphs absent from your o/p,worthy of a parliamentary spin-doctor,bravo and hurrah