Scottish Independence

[johnboy1974]

Its a subject that hasn't been debated much on here. I'm wondering what direction our Scottish members are taking on here. Have you made a decision yet?

If you're English, Irish or welsh what are your views on the future of Scotland and the rest of the U.K if Scotland votes yes next Thursday.
Debate.

[nara]

I'm Scottish, living in England.

I'm just worried that so many Scots are willing to put their trust in Salmond, a dodgy blend of Arthur Daley and Del-Boy Trotter. I really think they need to wake up and smell the rotting fish before it's too late.

[super jumbe]

I am against more (power) if together!!!!

[PremierD]

It's the principal . not the person . why can't we decide our own destiny , instead of just being the country cousins from up north .

[nara]

It's the principal . not the person . why can't we decide our own destiny , instead of just being the country cousins from up north .

That's just SNP paranoia inducing propaganda at work. Scots have always run the UK.

[PremierD]

**** all to do with the SNP ... its to do with being Scottish and wanting to be able to put that on my passport .

[Meat-Head]

The ONLY problem with Scotish people is they don't speak Inglish.

WTF did this all come from, been joined country fir years, why split now.

Questiins like, will cell phone company's go "forgein county, roaming, ????".

Said on meat fm price would go up, but why???


Can a MOderator change it from yes ir no Vote to " what to do with dick that thought of this".

Next time I send shit in the post to premierd or justy22 don't want to pay more money.

[GastonJ]

It's not only about that. How far do you take it? If the vote goes for independence how long before the Highlands and islands start getting uneasy about Edinburgh and 'the south' of Scotland getting all the funding and want independence for themselves? There's always going to be an element of unfairness when 'the power' is run from a single place. I, and I dare say many others, think London gets much more than it's fair share, but at the end of the day if not London it would be perhaps Birmingham or Manchester - it will always be elsewhere.

The problem is that Alex isn't really wanting independence is he? He's asking for a kind of monetary union, I dare say there has been no thought given to the setting up of institutions like DVLC/A, passport office to mention but a few. Is his expectation that the rest of the UK will continue to let Scotland use these *if* Scotland votes to go it alone? Think about it, independence - so why should the rest of the UK allow a foreign country to continue to use institutions that we pay for? Why should the rest of the UK allow a foreign country a say in the UK pound - Alex wants out of the so shouldn't expect any help whatsoever? The UK doesn't allow ex colonies to use the pound so why should Scotland get any different treatment.

What would happen if the Scottish currency lost ground to the UK pound at some time in the future? It's happened before and may well happen again. If the Scottish (call it for now a pound) lost so much that it was only worth 30 UK pence is Scotland going to pass laws that forbid the rest of the UK from buying up property in Scotland at 1/3rd of the price they would have paid previously? If not you'd have everyone form London buying up land like there was no tomorrow. Joining the EU the rules do say that anyone new joining has to accept the Schengan agreement and the Euro, the latter throws out any chance of using the pound anyway. As for the freedom of movement, since we have borders facing Europe where passports are required why should we make a special case for Scotland? Immigrant flies into Ingliston or Dyce and are the UK just to accept that they can drive south over the border and not be checked for passports etc?

I have many questions and I have to ask my relatives north of the border answer those questions, sadly Alex and the SNP aren't answering many of them due to either not thinking about them or just hoping that even though Scotland would be a foreign country that the rest of the UK wouldn't mind. Sadly for him independence means just that.

Independence is a condition of a nation, country, or state in which its residents and population, or some portion thereof, exercise self-government, and usually sovereignty, over the territory.

Isn't it a failure of the SNP that for all the years they've held 'power' in Scotland that they've not managed to negotiate any more devolved powers in all that time which would have perhaps given Scots, in Prem's case, Scottish on passports and all those things that could have been had without taking the risk that is being taken now? A risk that, if it goes wrong, Alex can say "well they voted for it, lemmings" and walk away without a care.

Take your pick, but don't pay for Alex's ego, after all London now appears to be offering almost anything Scotland wants by way of devolution, more money for nothing and no risk.

[johnboy1974]

I'm Scottish, living in England.

I'm just worried that so many Scots are willing to put their trust in Salmond, a dodgy blend of Arthur Daley and Del-Boy Trotter. I really think they need to wake up and smell the rotting fish before it's too late.

Nara what I would say to you is that scots are not putting their trust in Alec salmond.
They are liking the idea and possibility of a better life. I'm one of those people who look at life just now and can't believe it could get any more depressing nor worse, and I talk to ordinary scots everyday in my taxi who tell me the same thing.
Scotland will have a general election in the event of a yes vote there's no guarantees Alec salmond will get into power in an independent Scotland.


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[Meat-Head]

*CONGUSED*

so what will people's passports say in the future if split ?

[PremierD]

In your case meat .. it would say Pluto ....

[Diddy]

Thought the vote on Thursday was for independence not for Salmond nor the SNP.....I must have another look at the ballot paper as mine mentions nothing of our 1st minister. Does anyone here think that Scotland will starve if they become independent ? Do you think R-UK will starve ? I think not....well not much more will be using foodbanks anyway eh ?
To all the R-UK people think about it we may become independent and next year YOU lot may discover oil/gas ect and not need to "share" the spoils with us ungrateful scots . One way or another there WILL be big changes after Thursday's result. I for one am glad to see people actually becoming passionately involved in politics. If that trend continues then that can only be a good thing IMHO.

[gc1966]

my passport does not say product of England on it,it states u.k citizen with which I have no problem.it will and would be a sad day for everyone from this great island if the yes vote goes through next Thursday.i could fill an entire section on the nhs and oil ownership debate alone but I hope in my heart that common sense wins the day and the people of Scotland vote to remain as partners of this kingdom.

[GastonJ]

So in the last 7 years running Scotland what has the SNP achieved by way of negotiating more devolved powers for Scotland, apart from getting this referndum? Isn't the fact that the SNP haven't negotiated anything away from London an indication of a failure on the SNP's part - I'd have thought that devolution of more powers to Scotland to help the people out would have been high on the list of priorities from the minute the SNP formed the goverbment in 2007. Just goes to show how wrong you can be thinking that a government is there to get the best deal for the people of their countrie eh.


However the SNP know best and I'm sure as Scotlands elected MP's they have their own targets to fill their pockets with as much public money as possible and get out asap. MP's do the same in the rest of the UK so that never changes. I have no bias, all MP's are the same. They say what they think you want to hear and tell half truths and then change their minds.


As for businesses coming out this week and saying prices may well go up, well that's a fact of life. What did anyone expect, companies to allow their profits to fall? From what I hear and read teh SNP are up in arms over it. Why don't the people of Scotland deserve to know the whole costs of their vote?


Check on any courier service for the UK, you'll find they charge more for delivery outlying areas - compaies in business to make a profit it's in their nature. The Post Office has a USO for the UK which means letters and the like cost the same to deliver anywhere in the UK, but obviously if Scotland leaves the UK then they won't be part of the USO for the Post Office, that's unless I missed the "USO for the UK, and foreign countries" part, and I'm sure I didn't. This means that delivery costs are very likely to go up for Scotland, and may even come down for the UK since the rest of the UK, where it costs less for the PO to deliver, have been paying a rate that was perhaps higher thus allowing the Post Office to fullfill it's obligations under USO. So what it's only letters, tell that to people living outside of Edinburgh, Perth and Glasgow. If the cost of posting letters goes up then what about the costs to banks, telephone companies, utility companies and the like who send quarterly statements? Well I'm sure they'll find someone to pay for the extra costs that may be charged for delivery in Scotlands outlying areas, after all companies are there to make a profit and the people of Scotland will be the customers to foot the extra cost. Unless of course the Scottish government subsidises that to keep the price low?


Delivery costs for transported goods must surely be higher in those areas which aren't Glasgow, Edinburgh and Perth. I'm not making that up, it's a fact - transportation costs money. Where is the incentive for teh likes of Asda, John Lewis, Tesco etc to keep the price teh same for Scotland when in reality it costs them more to deliver there? One of the thoughts for such companies must be "I can open a new superstore in Narn and have the transportation costs or I can open one in Newcastle" - which do you think they will choose? I think someone is quoted as saying that other reteailers will appear if the likes of Asda don't bother. Great how many companies have the buying power of say Asda to keep prices low? Compare the price of a can of Salmon in Asda to your local corner shop and let me know.


Telecoms companies are about to reveal the costs for Scotland as well, so you may want to keep an eye on that one as well. Remote areas already quite bad for reception may find prices rising. You may also find yourself paying roaming charges south of the border. It'll be alright on the night.


Overall you have to remember only 5 million people, so 1/12 of the market, the other 11/12ths offer the potential for greater volume of sales and cheaper costs for delivery so higher chance of profit, doesn't matter what it is that's being sold.


Institutions such as I've mentioned before DVLA/Immigration Service/HMRC/Bank of England and so on, I hope the SNP has given the full cost of setting all these up? Holyrood was to cost between ?10 and ?40 million, excellent estimate, but totally wrong ?414 million so between 40 and 10 times the estimated cost. Costs for setting of Scotland as being independent are said to be around ?2.7 billion, would you care to multiply that by 40 times for 10 times to get the real value?


However at the end of the day it's Scotlands choice. However had the SNP been interested in the peopel of Scotland don't you think they'd have been negotiating more powers for the government of Scotland to do more for the people of Scotland rather than sitting on their hands as they have been? Odd behaviour and if you were a cynic you'd have to think "For 7 years they've done nothing to try get a better deal for Scotlands people when they were voted in and empowered to do so. The only thing they have achieved is getting a referendum to leave the UK. Now they don't like the truth about the cost. They've done nothing but complain about bullying when all that's being told is the truth. That smacks of a group that have no answers and no plans to produce any either"


Not posting any more you can all rest at ease

Yeah I lied, don't the outlying areas gets a subsidy for the cost of fuel? Unsure who pays that but I don't recall it being the Scottish government. The subsidy exists because of the distances when travelling. Apply the same to businesses and you'll see what I mean.

[Meat-Head]

ON TOPIC:-

So if its a yes then who will be prime minister in Scotland ?

Only advantage I can see is telling the imports, pollack, rusky, Latvians and Inglush etc.

"We are a new country, we don't take imports, go to Ingland, good bye"