The EU: Should we stay ? or should we go?

[super jumbe]

Alex Bell explores Greater Manchester?s relationship with the continent and surveys views from a range of different perspectives on whether it would be best for business to stay in the EU or leave and go it alone

[nara]

The "Daily Mail" says we should go. That's good enough for me.

We should stay.

[Meat-Head]

The clash already covered this topic? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ

Asked the imganary cat for an answer, just said "MEEEEE how". So not sure there.

Speaking to both imgabary friends agreed that if the members of DK could choose what rules/laws stay and ditch the &677655445555666555555,554444((((543322 per hour charge then stay.

As for "doing bussiness if left eu" it was orginally set up fir a "common market" not "common dictatorship"
as china. India emerica etc not in eu no excuse to not deal with us.

not sure how but could make export cheaper so eu use us still

[M T Glass]

Speaking as an 'outsider' (ok, I'll butt off), I would say that the UK, Great Britain, would possibly be strong enough to survive leaving the EU, bearing in mind that Grance or Fermany would not be interested in doing so individually, holding too much sway as they do.
However, in doing so, would it bring down the entire house? I can't say but am sure GB would not want that on their cv for the future.

[Meat-Head]

Well fine by me no Grench of Ferman cars or their parts !all scrapped weighed in sent to chinA

[M T Glass]

Especially renault.

[Meat-Head]

Especially renault.

Yes, Peugeot are ok, (advertising slogan) "nothing pishes you off more than a sh1tron"
(advertising slogan) "renualt build a better car" - shame nobody seen one.

[GastonJ]

I still haven't seen anyone put up a good argument for leaving tbh.

Non European manufacturers, e.g. Nissan/Ford/GM/Honda, build their cars in the UK to sell in Europe and so avoid import tariffs into the EU. If we left they'd have to pay import tariffs, or relocate into Europe
Trading goods (all types, even food) with Europe are still subject to EU laws for safety reasons. So leaving the EU wouldn't get away from that
Buying from Europe would mean we'd end up paying import duty (same as we try and avoid when buying from China)
Tariffs for selling to countries in Europe, the same as the US and Asia have to pay, would have to be paid
Finance sector would still have to pay EU tax to carry out transactions with European banks, or move the banks to Europe to avoid that.
Even getting down to the more granular level e.g. aircraft flying in and out of Europe would be subject to European legislation for emissions, safety etc.
No longer be able to go on holiday in Europe as you do. Likely a visa needed.
You'd pay for healthcare if you were taken ill in Europe


In all cases UK Joe Public would end up paying more.

I'm sorry what are the advantages of leaving again?

Oh yeah we get rid of a bunch of useless cking MEP's.
We'd be able to refuse Europeans jobs in the UK? They'd also be able to refuse UK people jobs in Europe *shrug*
The Tories can scrap the WTD and minimum wage..... yay for companies
The government would pay less in benefits, though only a small amount. They'd still be reducing the amount they pay UK doley's, so that will make no difference.
People taken ill on holiday in the UK would have to pay the NHS for treatment

I can see this thread ending badly.

[Meat-Head]

Is there an mep on the FIRUM?

[rds60h]

We buy more from Europe than we buy so any threats from them to add extra tariffs would be negated by us threatening the same which would cost Europe more than us.
No more EU regulations and restrictions, our farming and fishing industries will be able to thrive again.
No more subsidising the rest of Europe, huge money saving.
No more MEP's, money saving and a kick up the arse for career politicians.
Ability and options to trade with who we wish and under our own terms and conditions, we had a larger and stronger trading basis with the Commonwealth before we went into the EU.
No more EU Reciprocal Treaties...................Strange how a Reciprocal Agreement or Obligation is supposed to be about equality but we have to give and pay out more than we are entitled to receive............for Reciprocal Agreements to work each Country in the EU would have to be Equal, but they are Not !!
Huge Money Saver !!
Ability to manage Immigration................Huge Saving and Reduction of strain on Housing, Education, Health Services, Benefits and Policing.
Before anyone says about migrants paying in more than received...........Rubbish, because Benefits also include Child Benefit, Child Tax Credit, Housing Benefit, Free Health Treatment (such as Doctor's Surgeries and Hospitals), Subsidised Health Treatment (such as Dental costs, Optician's costs and Prescription costs), Education and Equality Costs (such as Translators and Multi Language paperwork regulation), Child Care, Nurseries and the list goes on...................So Huge Savings.

[super jumbe]

There is no reverse solution since we already tunnel our self as part of euro!!!!

[GastonJ]

We buy more from Europe than we buy so any threats from them to add extra tariffs would be negated by us threatening the same which would cost Europe more than us.

By how much? We can for example compare what it cost for us now in duty/import taxes from the US or Asia. Could you tell me the US and China don't pay, or if so how much?

No more EU regulations and restrictions, our farming and fishing industries will be able to thrive again.

Which particular regulations?

No more subsidising the rest of Europe, huge money saving.

By how much?

No more MEP's, money saving and a kick up the arse for career politicians.

Don't care, all politicians are the same.

Ability and options to trade with who we wish and under our own terms and conditions, we had a larger and stronger trading basis with the Commonwealth before we went into the EU.

How much a year was that when we last traded, so we can compare?

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No more EU Reciprocal Treaties...................Strange how a Reciprocal Agreement or Obligation is supposed to be about equality but we have to give and pay out more than we are entitled to receive............for Reciprocal Agreements to work each Country in the EU would have to be Equal, but they are Not !!

Can you give a real example and cost?

Ability to manage Immigration................Huge Saving and Reduction of strain on Housing, Education, Health Services, Benefits and Policing.

How much is that specifically costing us?

Before anyone says about migrants paying in more than received...........Rubbish, because Benefits also include Child Benefit, Child Tax Credit, Housing Benefit, Free Health Treatment (such as Doctor's Surgeries and Hospitals), Subsidised Health Treatment (such as Dental costs, Optician's costs and Prescription costs), Education and Equality Costs (such as Translators and Multi Language paperwork regulation), Child Care, Nurseries and the list goes on...................So Huge Savings.

How much is that costing us, and how much are the other countries paying UK citizens abroad, so it can be compared?

While I realise it's easy to say leaving will save money, but unless you know by how much etc, how do you know it will? The people backing the leave campaign so far are only dong so in their own interests, which are very unlikely to be for the benefit of Joe Public.

[darrenhyland]

Brittain should leave the EU...........followed quickly by Ireland........we should set up an economic and fiscal union similar to being in the commonwealth but without the dreaded oath of allegiance most irish people would find unpalatable...............tbh I am from an irish republican background but would trade the queens head anyday instead of euros......we are trading partners for hundreds of years and should grow that connection into a formidable economic power on the fringes of western Europe.

[busaman]

im not fussed either way (i can retire when i want) but in all honesty i think we should leave there is no real advantage in staying in we ruled the world at one time with only 120,000 staff (it takes that many to run a bloody labour council now)

we WILL SURVIVE without them and they know it.

we could control our immigration kick out the ~~~~ we don't want here & lockup the racial extremists.

stop wasting all the money we pile in every day and only see a pittance in return. etc. etc.

i cant really see any massive benefits of staying in apart from not needing to use a passport driving through europe. i remember when this started off as a "common market" well that's got well out of hand.

[gmb45]

ive always said we should fiitc, BUT if we can get it changed namely being able to control migration to suit us not them eu dufs perhaps we should stay, BUT other countries seem to do trade with the rest of the world with oot being in the eu, so tbh i wether i would vote in or oot.