David Cameron backs bans on Muslim face veils

[bonus2010]

Just a thought, but if everybody in the country was to wear a mask, so that only their eyes are showing... the government would find a way to ban it They’ve said that Britain is the most CCTV’d country in the world, and everyone wearing a mask would make the CCTV cameras pointless because there would be no way of identifying anyone

[super jumbe]

I am opposed to the state presuming to dictate what anyone should or should not wear, I'm no fan of the burka, Seriously, the more I hear about this, the more it reminds me of the treatment given to Jews in Medieval Europe.

This is just an extension of the old debate between security and freedom. I still think we should have the freedom to wear whatever we want, even if it conceals the face.

What about our friendly Saudi king coming in UK with 10 wives wearing Burkha will they get similar treatment to send them back to were they came from?

Will this ban make it an offence to wear a hoodie? Hoodie-wearing youths are a much bigger threat to society than women in Burkhas.

[bonus2010]

Yeah.. I think you're right... no need to ban what people wear and to allow them to have freedom. However, for those who feel uncomfortable speaking to anyone wearing a mask or even dark glasses, they should have the freedom to ask those wearing the masks to remove them. Another problem solved on the Kaos

[GastonJ]

seems common sense to me that if some one wants to settle in another country they should try to learn the language, tho not compulsory, if i wanted to live in say spain i would try to learn spanish, or how would i talk to the people that live there ? etc, there is a lot of resentment in this country with all the immigrants/ migrants etc coming into the uk atm, racism is probably at an all time high here, if every one that wanted to live here made an effort it would go a long way to stopping it.


p.s. a civilised debate please, dont want to see this thread go the same way as so many others !!!

With sensible posts like that you've gone up in my estimation of you Elmer
Speaking the lingo in whatever country you are in makes sense, otherwise how do you go about your every day business of life, going to shops, working etc. How would not being able to speak English in a call centre get you a job? So by not learning English aren't people effectively making themselves unemployable anyway. As for working somewhere when someone comes in with only their eyes showing, try wearing a balaclava when you go to a bank and see how quick the police turn up to find you a bed for the night.

[bonus2010]

So by not learning English aren't people effectively making themselves unemployable anyway.

Hmmm... not necessarily. I remember watching a documentary about ‘work’. They got hold of two unemployed English speaking guys, to prove that there is work. They put them in this potatoes packing factory...their complaint was; that none of their fellow workers spoke English... and true enough, they were all from eastern European.... The all did have a job though, even though they didn’t speak English.

[GastonJ]

Unless everyone in the place spoke, and read, the same language then that would be a Health and Safety issue. Not being able to read safety warnings and instructions without an interpreter would render them a hazard to others and themselves, more so working with dangerous machinery. Would someone shouting "tu je pozar" mean anything to you, without first getting out your tab, opening up an internet browser, going to Google translate and then asking them to type it in for you, - by which time 5 minutes has passed or would you think "wtf, I'll ignore them" ?

[bonus2010]

. Not being able to read safety warnings and instructions without an interpreter would render them a hazard to others and themselves, more so working with dangerous machinery. ?

tbh, I don't think the company could give a f#kc! Hey, maybe they had warning signs with translations given of the other European languages

[GastonJ]

Probably not, but if a company couldn't comply with HSE legislation because someone couldn't speak or read English then that would be a legitimate reason not to employ a foreigner without falling foul of discrimination laws....


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[gc1966]

in a local distribution centre near me they have a large number of foreign workers,enough so they have their own union rep amongst them.


they have a large portion of non English speaking colleagues who use the language barrier to their advantage in regards to picking targets, as inability to reach them is overlooked by supervisors in case they are accused of race discrimination if trying to discipline for nor working as fast as the English workers.


they also have their own clique within work as contact with the English staff is discouraged amongst their own foreign speaking colleagues.

[gmb45]

in a local distribution centre near me they have a large number of foreign workers,enough so they have their own union rep amongst them.


they have a large portion of non English speaking colleagues who use the language barrier to their advantage in regards to picking targets, as inability to reach them is overlooked by supervisors in case they are accused of race discrimination if trying to discipline for nor working as fast as the English workers.


they also have their own clique within work as contact with the English staff is discouraged amongst their own foreign speaking colleagues.

hmm can see something kicking of there sooner or l8r

[gc1966]

hmm can see something kicking of there sooner or l8r

they have quite a large presence and are dug in quite well,they basically run their own workforce,taking lunch and other breaks together,they do not mix.


management have allowed this to happen and left with a headache whenever there is an issue regarding productivity or any other problem needing disciplinary action.a friend of mine that works there says it can be quite funny watching a supervisor blue in the face tearing a strip off a employee that stands there shrugging his shoulders and giving it the 'me no understand' get out of jail card.

[gmb45]

they do not mix.

imo this sort of thing is whats causing a lot of problems, resentment will get to a boiling point if they ignore the other workers and not try to mix, feel sorry for the bosses tbh there hands are tied with red tape, the pc brigade etc, but if they are working hard and doing good for the company they wont give a toss.

[Johnner]

they have quite a large presence and are dug in quite well,they basically run their own workforce,taking lunch and other breaks together,they do not mix.


management have allowed this to happen and left with a headache whenever there is an issue regarding productivity or any other problem needing disciplinary action.a friend of mine that works there says it can be quite funny watching a supervisor blue in the face tearing a strip off a employee that stands there shrugging his shoulders and giving it the 'me no understand' get out of jail card.

Why don't they employ the services of Technical Translators ? Employees then haven't a leg to stand on as regards their Manuelitis.It's just up to how well experienced management are then,at resolving issues like this.

I've seen it countless times,and all comes down to strong/savvy management.

[rds60h]

hmm can see something kicking of there sooner or l8r

It won't be "kicking off" it will be a "kicking out" and it will be a Brit being kicked out for being "racist", it is happening in loads of places across the country.

[Meat-Head]

It won't be "kicking off" it will be a "kicking out" and it will be a Brit being kicked out for being "racist", it is happening in loads of places across the country.

Reminds me of a joke, but you will need to google it