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  • gmb45
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    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

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    Crowded Britain heading for 70m as migration causes population to rise faster than ev

    Britain's population is rising at a speed unprecedented in history, official figures revealed yesterday.

    It will pass the milestone of 70million - the point Immigration Minister Phil Woolas promised would never happen - in 20 years.

    The Office for National Statistics said that by 2033 there will be ten million more people in the country than now. More than two thirds of the increase, seven million, will be either migrants or the children of migrants, its report said.

    Crowded Britain: The Office of National Statistics predicts the population will reach 70million by 2033

    This will put pressure on housing, transport, water and key public services.

    According to the projections, the bulk of the population increase - 9.2million by 2033 - will be in England. Growth in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is likely to be less than a million.

    England is already the third-most-crowded major country in the world and the most crowded country in Europe except for the island of Malta, according to British and UN figures.

    Most immigrants gravitate to London and the South East, which is by far the most populous part of the country.

    Chris Huhne, home affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, yesterday warned that these areas are now at 'the limit of environmental sustainability'.

    Over the next ten years, the ONS expects the population to rise by four million from its present 61.4million.


    Despite claims by Labour ministers that population growth is slowing because immigration is on a downward trend, the ONS said that for the foreseeable future the population will grow by 180,000 a year because of higher numbers of immigrants over emigrants. Two years ago the state statisticians put the immigration gain at 190,000 a year.
    The ONS forecast contradicts claims by Mr Woolas, who a year ago said: 'At some point we will be able to set a limit on migration. This Government isn't going to allow the population of this country to go up to 70million.

    'There has to be a balance between the number of people coming in and the number of people leaving.'


    In July this year, Home Secretary Alan Johnson told the Home Affairs Select Committee: 'I do not lie awake at night worrying about a population of 70million. I'm happy to live in a multicultural society where we not only welcome those coming to live and work in this country, but where we can go and live and work in other countries.'

    Guy Goodwin, director of population statistics at the ONS, said: 'The additional numbers are the equivalent of taking the current population of Scotland, Wales and most of Northern Ireland and putting it into England.

    'The population is projected to increase by 420,000 a year, which is the equivalent of adding the population of Bristol to the UK every year.

    'Whereas it took 57 years for the population to get from 50million to 60million, it is projected to take 24 years to get from 60million to 70million.'

    The population reached 50million in 1948 and 60million in 2005. If the ONS projections prove accurate, in 2033 there will be 465 people for every square kilometre in England, and 295 for every square kilometre in the UK.

    Peter Madden of Forum for the Future, an environmental group launched by one-time Government adviser Sir Jonathon Porritt, warned: 'Population growth will put greater pressure on our public services and increase competition for housing.

    'Protecting our environment and meeting climate change targets will become even harder. And unless it is handled properly, social cohesion will suffer. These projections are a wake-up call for politicians.' However, Mr Woolas insisted: 'The projections show that population growth is starting to slow down.

    'The impacts of the radical reforms we have made to the immigration system over the last two years are working. Last year saw a 44 per cent fall in net migration and we expect that fall to be sustained and reflected in future projections.

    'Our new flexible points-based system is giving us greater control on those coming to work or study from outside Europe, ensuring that only those that Britain need can come.'



    Tory immigration spokesman Damian Green said: 'This shows how irresponsible Alan Johnson was when he said that he did not lie awake at night worrying about a population of 70million.

    'The failure of Labour to control immigration has left us in this difficult position. A Conservative government would introduce a limit on the numbers allowed to come here to work, as well as other measures to fight illegal immigration.'

    Labour MP Frank Field and Tory Nicholas Soames, leaders of the Cross-Party Group on Balanced Migration, said: 'We are on course for an unsustainable and unacceptable rise in population. If politicians want to rebuild trust and counter extremism, they must stop ignoring the public's deep concern about this.'
    And the number of over-85s will double

    The number of very old people in the country is expected to more than double over the next two-and-a-half decades, the ONS said.

    It estimated that there will be 3.3million over-85s by 2033 compared with 1.3million last year.

    The ranks of people aged over 100 will multiply, with seven time more centenarians, the projections said. There will, according to the estimates, be 80,000 people aged over 100 in 2033 against 11,000 in 2008.

    Despite the rise in the state pension age, which will be equal for men and women at 66 by 2033, numbers of pensioners will go up sharply. There will be 15.6million by the mid-2030s, the ONS said, compared with 11.8 million now.

    The increase will mean that everybody of working age will have more pensioners to support.

    The ratio of working age people to pensioners, currently 3.2 workers for each pensioner, will drop to 2.8 workers for each pensioner in 2033.

    But without the increase in the age at which people are expected to retire, there would have been only 2.2 workers available to support each pensioner.
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  • bvilleuk
    DK Veteran
    • Aug 2009
    • 625

    #2
    Originally posted by gmb45
    Britain's population is rising at a speed unprecedented in history, official figures revealed yesterday.

    It will pass the milestone of 70million - the point Immigration Minister Phil Woolas promised would never happen - in 20 years.
    And here we are -- still paying people to have Children !!
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    WHAT DO I THINK OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT??
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    CAPITAL !!
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    BRING IT BACK...............
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    • Raven
      Banned
      • Mar 2008
      • 748

      #3
      I'm positive that the powers that be want a civil war to happen in this country and are in the process of engineering one....why else open the floodgates to and allow oppression of national folk over immigrants to the degree that they have and why are none of the mainstream political parties not doing anything about it and the only one that would is being made a minority and having everything done to them to be painted racists - even if they personally are or not is besides the point, the fact is they are going out of their way to tarnish the BNP's reputation in the public eye, that much is a stone wall fact - and I believe that's because they knew from the start they would be a danger to the current status quo. And I don't agree with everything Nick Griffin says but he is right on quite a few things he says, yet I think it's disgusting how current government actively go out of their way to paint them as vile monsters when they in fact are no different if not worse. It's hypocrisy is what that is, and we are supposed to have freedom of speech and yet the witch hunt that is most every time Nick Griffin is on television but especially on Question Time the other night proves that with hand picked audience and focus on racial quotes, heckling and insults the entire evening instead of real debates with a proper audience proves that we do not have freedom of speech or freedom of thought. Because a lot of that is swayed very cleverly by the media. Whether you believe this or not, essentially we are told what to think.
      Last edited by Raven; 24 October, 2009, 23:42.

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      • waqasahmed
        DK Veteran
        • Feb 2009
        • 433

        #4
        Originally posted by bvilleuk
        And here we are -- still paying people to have Children !!
        that is indeed one thing Ive never understood about British law. Fair enough it pays for food etc... but some people abuse it and have more kids for more money. Im receiving EMA-whereas other people abuse the system, I used to sponge of my parents(the abusers still do) but I said to my mum that I shall pay for transport and driving lessons, but my mum insisted that she paid driving lessons and I paid for transport and food, so I am actually saving up-I myself would save up for educational needs, but so many people abuse the system
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        • Raven
          Banned
          • Mar 2008
          • 748

          #5
          Originally posted by waqasahmed
          so many people abuse the system
          They do, and while I don't agree with having kids just for money (or more money) I have to say fair play to anyone that works the system because the system doesn't work for you. Much like with the hooky cable it's like you don't get anywhere in life for being completely honest all of the time. Or in that case if you were it would cost you a fortune in sub fees so they go the hacker route! And it's the same principle really, so fair play to them I say. Frankly sometimes it pays to be a little dishonest.

          Besides whether they publicly admit to working the system or not there'll be a lot of people on here that do it.

          But I don't agree with taking the piss though. Take a little bit for yourself fine, but to be greedy and try to take the whole cake and the crumbs all for yourself is a bit of a piss take. And that's not just for people that work the system that also goes for people that hack modems too, for example I forget the term for it but the ones that basically link 2 modem connections together in order to double their current speeds for their own gains regardless of the consequences for anyone else. Or claiming benefits under different names in different cities or something, that's where the line gets drawn - there's going the hooky route to make life that little bit more comfortable for you yourself where unless you don't keep your mouth shut and advertise anywhere and everywhere it's difficult for you personally to get caught but then there's flat out piss take mode where people get greedy and do stupid things that put them at serious risk of being caught for the sake of more money.
          Last edited by Raven; 25 October, 2009, 00:57.

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          • forntida
            DK Veteran
            • Feb 2009
            • 1281

            #6
            [QUOTE=Raven;319498]I'm positive that the powers that be want a civil war to happen in this country and are in the process of engineering one....why else open the floodgates to and allow oppression of national folk over immigrants to the degree that they have and why are none of the mainstream political parties not doing anything about it and the only one that would is being made a minority and having everything done to them to be painted racists - even if they personally are or not is besides the point, the fact is they are going out of their way to tarnish the BNP's reputation in the public eye, that much is a stone wall fact - and I believe that's because they knew from the start they would be a danger to the current status quo. And I don't agree with everything Nick Griffin says but he is right on quite a few things he says, yet I think it's disgusting how current government actively go out of their way to paint them as vile monsters when they in fact are no different if not worse. It's hypocrisy is what that is, and we are supposed to have freedom of speech and yet the witch hunt that is most every time Nick Griffin is on television but especially on Question Time the other night proves that with hand picked audience and focus on racial quotes, heckling and insults the entire evening instead of real debates with a proper audience proves that we do not have freedom of speech or freedom of thought. Because a lot of that is swayed very cleverly by the media. Whether you believe this or not, essentially we are told what to think.[/QUOTE]

            I think I have said this before, anywyay, I believe the Government of the day force TV writers to include subjects that they want to win over. I saw one the other week with the MMR jab on one of the hospital programs. Watch out for the inclusion of BNP hatred in Eastenders and Coronation Street episodes.
            I can't wake up Grumpy now in case I am accused of Dwarfism

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            • Raven
              Banned
              • Mar 2008
              • 748

              #7
              I tell you that Rupert Murdoch's another one to watch out for, a potentially very powerful man and in a position to be highly influencial amongst the masses of people because he owns BskyB and a fair few papers including The Sun and basically it's his opinion reflected on our tv and in our papers or it doesn't get shown. Again we are told what to think, because all people see in the media is that apparently everyone's against whatever the BNP and yet it's only the people up North and in the poorer areas that see what really goes on out on the streets and see the discrepancies. But them poor sods that have the conviction to say anything get laughed at by some Southern people who don't live up North and think they know the lot.

              Another thing I've noticed as well, is that 8/10 people that bash the BNP and Nick Griffin are hypocrites themselves.
              Last edited by Raven; 25 October, 2009, 16:22.

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              • forntida
                DK Veteran
                • Feb 2009
                • 1281

                #8
                Originally posted by Raven
                I tell you that Rupert Murdoch's another one to watch out for, a potentially very powerful man and in a position to be highly influencial amongst the masses of people because he owns BskyB and a fair few papers including The Sun and basically it's his opinion reflected on our tv and in our papers or it doesn't get shown. Again we are told what to think, because all people see in the media is that apparently everyone's against whatever the BNP and yet it's only the people up North and in the poorer areas that see what really goes on out on the streets and see the discrepancies. But them poor sods that have the conviction to say anything get laughed at by some Southern people who don't live up North and think they know the lot.

                Another thing I've noticed as well, is that 8/10 people that bash the BNP and Nick Griffin are hypocrites themselves.
                I agree completely. I think one of the main concerns is people coming into this country and bringing their own laws and not learning the language. The British are the worst in the world at this. When we go abroad we expect everyone to speak English. We don't bother to learn another language, or part of it, before we go.
                I think you should not be allowed to enter this country unless you can speak English to a reasonable standard. Nobody attacks Sweden for being racist and take a look at some of their laws. A Swede will get employed first from applicants of equal ability. You must ba able to speak Swedish or English in order to be employed. Sweden is one of the top three richest countries in the world.
                Rant over.


                I like the comment that Jack straw looked calm sitting next to a one eyed lunatic and so he should be, he sits next to one in the cabinet every week.

                By the way, what is a hypocrite? These two faced buggers in here won't tell me.
                I can't wake up Grumpy now in case I am accused of Dwarfism

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                • Raven
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 748

                  #9
                  Originally posted by forntida
                  When we go abroad we expect everyone to speak English. We don't bother to learn another language, or part of it, before we go.
                  That's a fair point actually, but I wouldn't say everyone and I wouldn't say we make no effort because just in soaking it all in and enjoying yourself you make some effort to learn bits and pieces like for example how to say a dirty sentence in Spanish or something like that.....plus it'd be a lot different if you actually emigrated there, because it's like you don't move to another country and expect them to bend over backwards to accommodate you - you have to fit in to their way of life, their quality of life and their pace of life - and rightly so. I think we are the only country that changes it's way of being to accommodate and that's not just for foreign immigrants it's for everything else too I mean just look at the smoking bans in pubs. This country has not only gone mad it's gone too soft as well. It might carry the name still, but for me this country isn't Britain anymore - notice I deliberately left out the word Great - it's Britain in a sodding nightmare that's become a reality!
                  Last edited by Raven; 26 October, 2009, 00:25.

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                  • Motika
                    Top Poster
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 137

                    #10
                    The question people should be asking NG's BNP is what next after we've got rid of all the blacks/ asians and what have you? Is that going to magically solve all the problems currently facing this nation?
                    The fact of the matter is that England needs these people (recent migrants) to run its economy. They are not a drain to the economy as most of you may think. Most of them left large families back home and they need to and have to keep on working to sustain their families. Its largely the indegenous Brits on the benefits.
                    I went to the Lake Districts last summer and close to 80% of the waiters, bartenders, ushers etc were Romanian. Now how many Brits would want to work in their place living a life of solitude away from the pubs and nightclubs they are used to? The same goes for all the doctors and nurses in the NHS hospitals. People should not get fed up with seeing Black or asian faces on the streets only to turn a blind eye when they are in A&E or on holiday. In my own opinion we should overhaul the benefits system so that we get more people willing to work the menial jobs which draw of the immigrants to England.

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                    • forntida
                      DK Veteran
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 1281

                      #11
                      Why should we overhaul our benefits system. It is there to help people who fall. There is far too much money paid in dividends and bonuses to greedy people who also sit on their behinds and don't add to the system.

                      Make businesses pay better wages. I any employee of a business has to draw benefits just to live then those benefits should be subtracted from any profits the business has before bonuses and dividends are paid out.

                      It does you good to have a wee rant now and then.
                      I can't wake up Grumpy now in case I am accused of Dwarfism

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                      • Raven
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 748

                        #12
                        The thing people aren't realizing is the sole reason so many of the immigrants almost kill themselves to get over here is to cream benefits because they know they can, I'm not saying they all do that but I'd say the majority do. Why else would they come here specifically to this overcrowded tiny island with bad weather ? Why else will hardly any other countries have them ? and if so then why don't they go there instead, there's obviously good reasons for all this. And let's be realistic it's how they are catered for when they do get in and the raping of benefits. I just feel sorry for the genuine immigrants that do come here to work or escape persecution or both. But unfortunately they are a minority. That's why the issue of immigrants here is so big. Not to mention the ones that get on this land illegally and then promptly slip beneath the cracks probably doing illegal stuff. And frankly during "war" time our boarders should be closed anyhow.

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                        • Motika
                          Top Poster
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 137

                          #13
                          Originally posted by forntida
                          Why should we overhaul our benefits system. It is there to help people who fall. There is far too much money paid in dividends and bonuses to greedy people who also sit on their behinds and don't add to the system.

                          Make businesses pay better wages. I any employee of a business has to draw benefits just to live then those benefits should be subtracted from any profits the business has before bonuses and dividends are paid out.

                          It does you good to have a wee rant now and then.
                          I agree benefits are there for people who fall but not for those who want stay on them for all their lives and these are the people who need to be targeted which is why i said the system needs to be overhauled not eliminated.

                          Regarding better wages i believe that ?5.85/hr or whatever the minimum wage is, is a fair rate. The trouble is it gets eaten away by the high taxes imposed by the govt to provide for people on benefits. The way it works is like this. Get all of the people on long term benefits back to work. By so doing less imigrants are required and at the same time the govt has less people to pay benefits which should translate to less PAYE which ultimately means more disposable income for people.
                          Increasing wages a'int gona work as it makes the cost of goods and services produced in this country uncompetetive which will ultimately mean job losses. One of the reasons why countries like China are able to produced cheap products (apart from poor quality enforcement of course) is that they have lower taxes due to the fact that their govt provides little or no social support at all but this is not the way to go. The key is striking the right balance.

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                          • bvilleuk
                            DK Veteran
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 625

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Motika
                            I agree benefits are there for people who fall but not for those who want stay on them for all their lives
                            I asked a young lad who lives near me why he wasn't at school.........

                            "My Mum's ill and I'm looking after her"

                            "But if you don't go to School you won't get a Job"

                            "Why would I want a Job -- my Mum and Dad have never worked !!"

                            [Off topic - their car is three years younger than mine]

                            Get all of the people on long term benefits back to work. By so doing less imigrants are required and at the same time the govt has less people to pay benefits which should translate to less PAYE which ultimately means more disposable income for people.
                            I don't really think this is very likely -- there's a whole generation been allowed not to bother working in this Country!

                            >ENGLAND - the Land where only Suckers Work<
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                            BRING IT BACK...............
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                            • CHRISTOF
                              Top Poster
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 182

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bvilleuk
                              I asked a young lad who lives near me why he wasn't at school.........

                              "My Mum's ill and I'm looking after her"

                              "But if you don't go to School you won't get a Job"

                              "Why would I want a Job -- my Mum and Dad have never worked !!"

                              [Off topic - their car is three years younger than mine]

                              I don't really think this is very likely -- there's a whole generation been allowed not to bother working in this Country!

                              >ENGLAND - the Land where only Suckers Work<

                              reminds of a good few years back my mate his misses and kid got a bigger flat twice from council while i was stuck in same damp flat (with asthma) both of them never workedi did payed rent ect next thing i knew they where jetting off on holiday i had to save for 2 yrs to get away grrrrr!!!!!!! system is ~~~~ed

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