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  • caveman_nige
    V.I.P. Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 4920

    #1

    Net pirates to be 'disconnected'

    People who persistently download illegal content will be cut off from the net, Business Secretary Peter Mandelson has announced.

    Speaking at a government-sponsored forum to debate copyright issues he said the UK would introduce a similar policy to France.

    It means persistent pirates will be sent two warning letters before facing disconnection from the network.

    The issue has divided the telecoms and media industries.

    Mr Mandelson said that cutting internet connections would be a "last resort".

    "I have no expectation of mass suspensions. People will receive two notifications and if it reaches the point [of cutting them off] they will have the opportunity to appeal," he told the audience at the C&binet Forum, a talking shop set up by government to debate the issues facing the creative industries.

    The pay-off for tough penalties against persistent file-sharers would be a more relaxed copyright regime, Mr Mandelson said.

    The details of it would need to be hammered out at European level but it would take account of the use of copyright material "at home and between friends", he said.

    It would mean that, for example, someone who has bought a CD would be able to copy it to their iPod or share it with family members without acting unlawfully.

    Mr Mandelson praised the UK's creative industries, which are worth around ?16bn and employs 2 million people.

    ILLEGAL FILE-SHARING
    File-sharing is not illegal. It only becomes illegal when users are sharing content, such as music, that is protected by copyrights
    The crackdown will be aimed at people who regularly use technologies, such as BitTorrent, and websites, such as The Pirate Bay, to find and download files
    There are plenty of legitimate services which use file-sharing technology such as some on-demand TV services

    But it has been eroded in recent years, he said, by new ways of accessing content.

    "I was shocked to learn that only one in 20 music tracks in the UK is downloaded legally. We cannot sit back and do nothing," said Mr Mandelson.

    The fact that young people now expect to download content for free was "morally as well as economically unsustainable," he added.

    Mere conduits

    But he emphasised that "legislation and enforcement can only ever be part of the solution".

    The long-term answer was for the industry to offer new and cheaper ways to download content, he said.

    In France the government has just approved a so-called three strikes policy.

    Under its system, those identified as illegally downloading content would initially be sent warning letters and, if they failed to comply, could be removed from the network for up to a year.

    UK internet service providers have argued that it is not their job to police the network, claiming that there are "mere conduits" of content.

    They also say that they should not have to bear the brunt of the costs.

    In his speech, Mr Mandelson said that the costs of enforcing the policy would be "shared between ISPs and content providers".

    Dark net

    The Open Rights Group, a digital rights lobby organisation, has long been opposed to a disconnection policy.

    Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, is disappointed that the UK government is determined to introduce such legislation.

    "Even MI5 disagree with Mr Mandelson - they are convinced we will see a rise of a 'Dark Net' of infringers. Nobody at C&binet from an online music service, as opposed to an old media company, thought that P2P was a threat to their businesses

    "Yet Mandelson seems determined to push forward with his plans for 'three strikes' - threatening to punish people extremely harshly, threatening their education, businesses and livelihoods for a relatively minor financial misdemeanour," he said.

    At the same forum, Jean-Bernard Levy, chief executive of Vivendi, a French content and internet service provider, said he agreed with a tough stance.

    "At Vivendi, we are in the content business, we are in the telecom business and there is no internal debate," he told delegates.

    "The priority is not to grow traffic on the ISPs. The priority is that creators, people who develop content, should find a way [to be rewarded]."



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  • Raven
    Banned
    • Mar 2008
    • 748

    #2
    It's too little too late if you asked me, if they were going to do anything like this then it needed to happen 7 or 8 years ago. As it is the damage has already been done and the industries involved are already doing what they can to combat piracy by the masses. Which is why it's a stupid move at the wrong time at this point. PC Game and Music industry are already on their arses but not so much because of piracy, but more because there's hardly anything or anyone decent out. At least back in 1999-2001 there was Limp Bizkit and Eminem at the height of their fame. Not to mention the explosion of P2P. Hence why crap like this had to happen back then. But frankly there's little point now, they're just on to a severe backlash if they go ahead with this after the fact.
    Last edited by Raven; 28 October, 2009, 17:32.

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    • bvilleuk
      DK Veteran
      • Aug 2009
      • 625

      #3
      Originally posted by caveman_nige
      People who persistently download illegal content will be cut off from the net, Business Secretary Peter Mandelson has announced.
      It's that man again

      Surely I'm not the only one who'se sick to death of him !!

      Why can't he find something important to do.... like sorting out the Banks etc etc etc

      There I was thinking years ago that we'd got rid of him.......
      and Blair too.........

      Such is life.

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      • ruudvandan
        DK Veteran
        • Dec 2008
        • 1091

        #4
        I can't see it happening. First of all it will cost the internet providers too much (lost subscriptions and downgraddes to lower speeds), second, if I did get cut off, I'd just hijack my neighbours wifi connection. Thirdly, the internet is a necessity these days, cutting someone off from the net is like cuttiing their water supply off.

        I don't see how, if they cut my VM connection they could stop me getting one with BT, or getting a wireless dongle? If they cut you off that you just get another pay as you go sim. How can they stop you?
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        • Raven
          Banned
          • Mar 2008
          • 748

          #5
          Originally posted by ruudvandan
          cutting someone off from the net is like cuttiing their water supply off.
          Not quite . But I do see your point though a lot of people depend on the internet for their main source of income.

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          • tango
            DK Veteran
            • Aug 2008
            • 1033

            #6
            if it happens there will be a lot of people getting cut off
            and the isp's will end up loosing a lot of money by doing it.
            term cut nose off to spite face comes to mind

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            • Raven
              Banned
              • Mar 2008
              • 748

              #7
              I'll reiterate that this won't ever happen. There's simply too much money involved in it now that its' too little too late by quite a few years.

              It's like copying games and music are illegal and yet there's a boatload of business in the selling of writable discs and cd burners.....it's a huge business. And frankly premium services like Rapidshare, Megaupload, Newsgroups etc while they'll never admit it and publicly be against it the fact is they all depend on the piracy being there because while it's around they make big money. It's basically a vicious circle of exploitation at the end of the day. That's all it is. But yeah it's too big to stop now since it's big business.

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