Taking the p**s!

[Bulld0g]

yes Bulldog he was.

But the heading Taking the p**s is not really inviting.

Ahh see where you coming from m8

[dale094]

thanks: Bulldog

[Cronus]

The Party system has failed us and is no more a democratic representation of British will than any other political system.

The parties are all a slightly different shade of each other.
Politicians are solely concerned with personal advancement and toeing the party line.
The cares and concerns of the constituents they are supposed to represent are irrelevant.

We need to abolish the party system and make MP's more accountable to their constituents.

We also need electoral and parliamentary reform aimed at devolving power to every seperate country in the UK whilst retaining a common foreign policy etc and giving more power and influence to the electorate.

We need a modern day Cromwell, (free from religious bigotry), to rid us of these smug, self centred, corrupt bunch of politicians who currently believe they have a divine right to do completely as they please.

Labour has openly admitted that their open door policy on immigration was/is aimed at changing the face of British society.
For this alone Jack Straw in addition to Blair and Brown should be tried with treason.

Open door immigration is a genuine concern of the vast majority of Britsish people I know.
The dilution of British culture is a genuine concern.
The domination of Britain by the EU is a genuine concern.
The serial under funding of our forces is a genuine concern.
The withdrawal of our civil liberties and increased surveillance is a genuine concern.
The activities of the PC brigade are a genuine concern.
The perceived threat of Islamification of Britain is a genuine concern.

The list is endless and until a politician has the balls to stand up and start to try to address these issues then support for parties like the BNP will continue to grow.

Currently open and honest debate on most of these issues is strictly forbidden.

The UK is going down the pan rapidly and it stinks!!

[Raven]

The list is endless and until a politician has the balls to stand up and start to try to address these issues then support for parties like the BNP will continue to grow.

I don't think that's a bad thing, just means political parties and current government get to blow a different kind of smoke up our arses should the BNP become a legitamately serious threat to them. Except I don't buy any of the current political parties or what and who they represent suddenly "growing a pair" if you will, that's why I think the BNP should get elected soon, because one thing's for certain, we need that kick up the arse because we all need to wake up to what's going on out there instead of shutting it out with the latest X Factor or Big Brother episode. Or talking about how much we all hate Nick Griffin and his policies like we'd do any better ourselves or like we have been anywhere near the level he's operating on, so instead of blocking it out and complaining like we know any better why not actually do something and protest in the masses ?

If posties, binmen and firemen can strike then we can protest and potentially bring the country to a standstill if enough people were to do it.....it's hypothetical yeah because the people online are a minority but the point is still the same.

[badapple]

Right or wrong, but just watch the interview and listen carefuly to what the guy is saying.
Wootton Bassett Protest March Organiser Anjem Choudary Interview - Sky News Video Player
According to the video hes not saying he wants to disrespect the dead soldiers or the people of Wootton Bassett, hes saying, hes trying to bring to attention the thousands of Afgan/Muslim men, women and children who have been killed in this war.

I am NOT sticking up for this guy nor do i support this march, but if you start banning marches/protests, where do you stop?

Woukd this protest/march have been acceptable if it was in another part of the country?

I dont know the answers but I do know that the whole country is slowly falling apart and nobody knows how to stop it!

But I wont be voteing BNP, they will only pour petrol on fire!

[^^TommyTee]

Right or wrong, but just watch the interview and listen carefuly to what the guy is saying.
Wootton Bassett Protest March Organiser Anjem Choudary Interview - Sky News Video Player
According to the video hes not saying he wants to disrespect the dead soldiers or the people of Wootton Bassett, hes saying, hes trying to bring to attention the thousands of Afgan/Muslim men, women and children who have been killed in this war.

I am NOT sticking up for this guy nor do i support this march, but if you start banning marches/protests, where do you stop?

Woukd this protest/march have been acceptable if it was in another part of the country?

I dont know the answers but I do know that the whole country is slowly falling apart and nobody knows how to stop it!

But I wont be voteing BNP, they will only pour petrol on fire!

point taken badapple ...dont you think the guy should have planned somewhere else and dont you also think the guy may of been playing on the fact that he knew the outrage this would provoke ....im sure most people in the uk are aware of all the dead be them english iraqis or afghans

in my opinion it wont happen as it will just inflame too many people and give the flag too the EDL and alike and home office will not approve it

[Raven]

According to the video hes not saying he wants to disrespect the dead soldiers or the people of Wootton Bassett, hes saying, hes trying to bring to attention the thousands of Afgan/Muslim men, women and children who have been killed in this war.

But I wont be voteing BNP, they will only pour petrol on fire!

You don't know that for sure though mate, considering "everyone" is so against them they are really growing. To be fair you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but to those that make people feel or try to make people feel like voting BNP is a dirty little secret or flat out call other people Nazis because they voted BNP well that's just disgusting hypocrisy - fact is you can second guess all you want but nobody knows how the BNP will do until they actually get into power. Which may or may not actually happen. Though it's looking likely sooner or later.

But getting on to my point with regards to this march being about the dead afghans etc....the problem lays with 2 facts - 1) win,lose or draw this guy is an extremist hate preacher, and 2) there's dead americans, dead brits, dead innocents, it's a war at the end of the day - civilian casualties are an unfortunate inevitability.....but what about the innocent british people killed buy iraqi terrorists ? This guy wants to protest over dead innocent iraqis but it swings both ways. In any such case it's war and you take your chances if you're in a warzone. End of.

As for this march not going ahead because of fear of a kick off....I wouldn't bet on it, we just sit by and let crap happen us - I mean it doesn't get much more offensive than preaching racial hatred and burning our flag on our nation capital does it.....we did nothing then and neither did the police - saddens me to say it but we are all talk and no bite.

[badapple]

Well Tommy, the guy does say in his video that Wootton Bassett was choosen in order to gain media attention. So it was deliberately choosen to gain maximum publisity and to cause outrage amoung ordenary people.

You have to remember that this is a small group of people who have decided to enforce their religious beliefs onto other people and they do not represent the views of most of the British Muslims.

I also believe, if the tables were turned, this person and his supporters would complain like hell and shout "racism" at the top of their voices!


But at the same time, we know that 246 UK soldiers have been killed since 2001 but does anyone have any idea of how many Afghans have been killed since war began?
(I dont mean terrorists, I mean innocent Afghan people)

[erin15]

vote BNP yeahhh

[Raven]

But at the same time, we know that 246 UK soldiers have been killed since 2001 but does anyone have any idea of how many Afghans have been killed since war began?
(I dont mean terrorists, I mean innocent Afghan people)

I don't wish to come across as heartless, but that's the keyword right there, it's a war. How many innocents were killed in both world wars ? now there were 2 wars worth fighting, america weren't interested until the end, they instigated this one, so either our soldiers are getting worse or civ casualty is a forgone conclusion during war. I'm all for remembering the dead, but let's be honest this choudry's intent in reality is far from noble - otherwise he wouldn't be saying these things and he wouldn't be choosing the location he has.

I find it amazing though that just 1 person can reach so many people with a few comments - if he's foreign......makes you wonder!

[chroma]

All machines have their friction; and possibly this does enough good to counterbalance the evil. At any rate, it is a great evil to make a stir about it.
But when the friction comes to have its machine, and oppression and robbery are organized, I say, let us not have such a machine any longer.
In other words, when a sixth of the population of a nation which has undertaken to be the refuge of liberty are slaves, and a whole country is unjustly overrun and conquered by a foreign army, and subjected to military law, I think that it is not too soon for honest men to rebel and revolutionize.
What makes this duty the more urgent is the fact that the country so overrun is not our own, but ours is the invading army.

or even:

The character of the voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing to leave it to the
majority. Its obligation, therefore, never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men.
When the majority shall at length vote for the abolition of slavery, it will be because they are indifferent to slavery, or because there is but little slavery left to be abolished by their vote.

Voting for BNP is simply pissing up a rope, sure people are pissed about the current immigration policy and the BNP for their end use this as leveerage to gain support, but what of other issues?
Take the Economy for instance, amidst a recession and what does BNP propose to do to resolve it?

The BNP will restore our economy and land to British ownership and will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants.

So wait, the major suppliers of cheap goods will be broken up? So im to understand that under BNP rule that instead of the already heavily inflated price of bread and milk im to be expected to pay even more? That placing sanctions on my employers and possibly putting me and millions of others out of a job is somehow supposed to improve the unemployment rate of our country?

Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers.

This all sounds very good and just, but the simple fact is we have no infrastructure to support this, the 70s saw to that. So where is all the revinue to build such an infrastructure going to come from? Wheres the outside investment? The majority of manufacturers have invested abroad due to cheaper labour costs, how then are we supposed to compete and bring investment into the country? Will an american market willingly import british products sold well over the odds as opposed to cheaper chinese goods? I doubt it.

Everything regarding economic growth the BNP suggest, for all its brovado and carefuly selective powerful emotional wording is completely unsustainable in the modern world, it will only lead us further down the black hole.
Fighting globalization is a losing battle, its already happened, the internet has seen to it, BNP are proposing strategies that reflect a bygone era that no longer exists, Trying to fight against it is like putting a fire out after its completely devoured a house.

Every policy ive read thus far from the BNP have been laughable at best, Yay we'll give children free universities and guaranteed aprenticeships... what hat do they propose to pull that hat out of? Wheres the money comming from to subsidise university courses? Where are all these apprentiships comming from? Are we proposing to fly everyone off to india and china to get a trade?

The only serious policy to come from BNP is immigration and i can even see that turning into "lynch the darkie" as soon as theyre allowed to rise to power. Should BNP get in then we'll be resorted to a pre industrial dark age where persecution and hatered will fast become the norm

[dale094]

Chroma you seem to have all the answers so tell us who we vote for : perhaps Mr Choudry.

you say about the BNP being laughable, you need to look closer to home m8.

no: 1 the supermarkets in this country are damaging our farming communities by, forcing farmers to supply them only at ridiculously low prices. you are wrong

no:2 exclusion of foreign goods, well the americans are doing the very same thing to china by slapping massive import tarrifs on some of their goods because they are flooding our markets with cheap goods, not to mention the sub standard copies that flood our markets thus crippling our economic future and thats only 1 example. : you are wrong again.

no:3 we will give our children free university.

well why not, we are currently allowing droves of foreigners into the country to attend our universities, you dont think for 1 moment that these students whom most come from non EU countries pay for themselves do you.

finally your silly and outrageous comment about lynch the darkie is abssured m8.

there are many darkies as you call them who love this country and all it stands for who dont want to change anything.

but there are more that want to throw racism in our faces on a daily bases to use as a trump card to further there racist and radical views.

tell me do we have,: the white police federation, the white music awards, the white council of britain, the list goes on

And comments like yours (lynch the darkie) actually you are the one who is pissing on the rope when we are trying to climb out of this abbiss we have got into.

you need to get of your PC and have a walk around m8

[Raven]

you are the one who is pissing on the rope when we are trying to climb out of this abbiss we have got into.

you need to get of your PC and have a walk around m8

Yup....too true! I've noticed that about people who slag the BNP off, they give millions of reasons why they can't succeed and why they're bad for us, some of them even go as far as to call regular law abiding people nazis just because they decided to vote BNP like it gave them any kind of right, but most just say BNP is not the answer, but all true to form don't actually give any constructive criticism or any way to fix the problem at hand they just bitch, bitch and bitch some more about BNP without giving any thoughts or opinions on possible solutions of how to fix the mess that we got ourselves in - there's a word for it too, defeatist.

[Lainie]

let me run the country - i will get it sorted

[bigmark1966]

bnp

yep vote bnp they will sort it as long as they leave my doctor alone and the guy in papershop hes nice .