Taking the p**s!

[Raven]

yep vote bnp they will sort it as long as they leave my doctor alone and the guy in papershop hes nice .

And there's another one who thinks he knows the lot....take BNP out of the equation and tell us all how do we sort ourselves out then ? a few of you seem to have it all figured out so you tell us how we fix the problems. I'll bet you don't have an answer that doesn't involve mentioning the BNP.....

I'll be honest, I don't know how we fix the problems, but then again that's why I don't go around thinking I know full well fact that such and such is a bad thing - hence why I'm all for change and giving BNP 1 term and 1 chance. The way I see it is they can't be much worse than current government. And if they are, will we stand for it and what have we lost really ? if nothing else the BNP might just be the spark we need to start standing up for ourselves because at the moment we don't.

[zaphodbb]

its understandable people get tired of whats happening in the uk, but raven using the words quote "there's a word for it too, defeatist." smacks of nazi to me often used when they put someone up against a wall and shoot them, the uk is in a crisis yes ok and no one can give it a quick fix. im as patriotic as the next bloke and i have served in the armed forces, but do you really think this is the way to go? just be careful for what you wish for you might just get it god help us.

[radioham]

People seem to think that if we vote for the BNP, they will magically resolve all the problems of this country.
So if we vote the BNP into power, can someone explain how exactually will they resolve all the problems of this country?

They are not saying they will,but if you look at their web site,they certainly talk more common sense than the rest of them.COULD THEY POSSIBLY DO ANY WORSE?????????????Cheers Chas.

[Raven]

its understandable people get tired of whats happening in the uk, but raven using the words quote "there's a word for it too, defeatist." smacks of nazi to me

I've been waiting for that, don't even go there mate....it won't end well. Besides it's all fine and dandy for you on the outside looking in, you're alright you got it sussed you did and you ~~~~ed off to Greece. Can't fault you for that, but don't think you have any right calling someone a nazi because you don't. Especially when you aren't even here anymore. If you're that patriotic why did you get out. You obviously had the choice and you made it. So don't go calling me a nazi when you're living it up out there in the sunshine instead of being here in the snow with us lot living through this nightmare. Unless it's all bullshit - it's like I said, people think they know the lot but in the end all they can do is call someone a nazi and bitch about the BNP - where's the opinions on how to solve the real issues then ? Nowhere.

[aftermath]

I cant see anyone blatently calling you Nazi Raven, it looks to me like an expression people use.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just it seems that you cant handle it very well, and go over the top and express yourself , like everyone has to listen to you , and your right.

Chill out ffs, its not WW3

[Raven]

raven using the words quote "there's a word for it too, defeatist." smacks of nazi to me

aftermath, I might be missing something here but how's he not calling me a nazi there ? how is what I said being nazi and how is what I said about the defeatist thing not so ?

End of the day it is all opinions, but you tell people to chill out when they go overboard in your opinion....it's an internet forum are we not allowed to express our opinions so long as we aren't insulting anyone. Especially when we feel we're right. You can't have it both ways mate.

[zaphodbb]

I've been waiting for that, don't even go there mate....it won't end well. Besides it's all fine and dandy for you on the outside looking in, you're alright you got it sussed you did and you ~~~~ed off to Greece. Can't fault you for that, but don't think you have any right calling someone a nazi because you don't. Especially when you aren't even here anymore. If you're that patriotic why did you get out. You obviously had the choice and you made it. So don't go calling me a nazi when you're living it up out there in the sunshine instead of being here in the snow with us lot living through this nightmare. Unless it's all bullshit - it's like I said, people think they know the lot but in the end all they can do is call someone a nazi and bitch about the BNP - where's the opinions on how to solve the real issues then ? Nowhere.

i said the word you used smacked of nazi, and if you are one thats your business and whats this it wont end well is that a threat. you are always saying everyone is entitled to have their opinion, i have no problem with you raven and i have no wish to have you as an enemy. i dont know how old you are but i lived in the uk for 53 years and now you tell me i dont have any right ok, i will wish you well and hope you get the answers you desire.

[aftermath]

Raven
Well unless i am blind or cant read. I cant see anyone in this thread calling you a Nazi, its just your perspection of the way you want to read it.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when they dont produce the facts then i am afraid its my job to step in and try calm things down.

[Raven]

i said the word you used smacked of nazi, and if you are one thats your business and whats this it wont end well is that a threat. you are always saying everyone is entitled to have their opinion, i have no problem with you raven and i have no wish to have you as an enemy. i dont know how old you are but i lived in the uk for 53 years and now you tell me i dont have any right ok, i will wish you well and hope you get the answers you desire.

I didn't mean it as a threat mate I just meant when you quoted what I said and used the word nazi well once you start down that road it doesn't go very well. I have no problem with you either but I still have no idea how what I said was nazi ish....I said defeatist. What's the big deal ?

Raven
Well unless i am blind or cant read. I cant see anyone in this thread calling you a Nazi, its just your perspection of the way you want to read it.

Perspective, not perspection. I'm well aware of the fact that he didn't come out and say "raven you're a nazi" but he didn't need to, he was implying it. I'm still at a loss as to how what I said was nazi ish. Nobody has explained that one to me yet....I'm not being funny but you're right on the one hand it is all about opinions, obviously we disagree on this one about the nazi implication, though you had your say about me regardless when you stepped in and that's your opinion. So I'll have mine in my defense.

[zaphodbb]

if you look at any war film and some german soldier or officer says that germany is going to lose the war, they are accused of being defeatist and promptly put up against the wall and shot, that was the context i was using, maybe i got it all wrong as i usually do.

[Raven]

if you look at any war film and some german soldier or officer says that germany is going to lose the war, they are accused of being defeatist and promptly put up against the wall and shot, that was the context i was using, maybe i got it all wrong as i usually do.

So then what's any of that got to do with what I said about BNP haters for the most part being defeatist and how that correlates to being a nazi ish statement ? I'm not trying to cause an argument, honestly I'm not, evidently my people skills need work but I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from because as it stands I'm drawing a blank as to how any of it is linked....

[zaphodbb]

im only referring to the word "defeatist" raven nothing else, it has nothing at all to do with anything you said.

[thered]

i dont see why the words BNP scare so many people yes they were founded by facists and there is still a few of them in the BNP (you can quote this too)

but they have had to evolve to be a proper party and go more mainstream which is why there policies have changed

people are so extreme in there views its unbeliveable if they dont agree with a vote for the BNP they say thing like they "love the holocaust" they "hate blacks" your a "racist thug"

over a million voted are they all thugs?

i reckon there are a fair few backbenchers in most partys who agree with a lot of the bnps policies and what is wrong with stopping immigration anyways?

for everyone saying what other policies do they have , have a look yourself on there website

why shouldnt we vote for em its not as if any other politicians are honest so why not try someone else for a change?

i agree that the reason the BNP have emerged as a party is because of the other partys shortcomings but if policies win votes here are a few i agree with

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.
- Ending the ?9 billion foreign aid budget;

- Ending the ?4.5 billion a year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan;

- Ending the untold billions spent subsidising the immigration swindle and all its ancillary costs (benefits, court and jail services, counter-terrorism measures, the ?race relations? industry and a host of others);

- Ending the billions pumped into the EU

- Make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences. Offenders will be made to understand that they are being punished and not rewarded with a state-subsidised holiday for their crimes;

- Use electronically tagged ?chain gangs? to provide labour for projects such as coastal defences;

- Introduce automatic prison sentences for all repeat offenders;

- Put police back on the streets and remove their current political correctness shackles;

- Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property;

- Make joint custody of children the norm in divorce cases;

- Grant anonymity to those accused of crimes until they are convicted;

- Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public, not the government?s political aspirations.

- The restoration of discipline ? including corporal punishment ? uniforms, traditional teaching methods and stricter exams (e.g. ?0′ levels);

- The reintroduction of grammar schools with entrance exams at 11 and 13;

- The reversal of the programme to close special needs schools which penalises the most vulnerable;

- The reintroduction of competitive sports and daily Christian assemblies;

- The teaching of old-fashioned literacy skills (as opposed to clearly failed ?modern? teaching methods);

- The teaching of old-fashioned mathematics skills which have practical application to everyday life;

- The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;

- The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake ?social sciences?);

- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;

- Make length of residency in an area the key criterion for council house allocation;

- Preserve the ?right to buy? of individual tenants, but with the money from sales being used to build more council houses;

- Take all privatised social housing stock back under local democratically controlled council ownership;

- Ensure that the billions being spent on the utterly bogus asylum seeker and immigration swindles is redeployed to alleviate the appalling conditions under which many of Britain?s old people are forced to live.

- A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age.

- Strengthen our conventional forces;

- Retain a genuinely independent nuclear deterrent and produce all our weaponry in Britain;

- Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake;

- Preserve and restore our historic County Regiments;

- Bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since political developments make both commitments obsolete;

- Close all foreign military bases on British soil;

- Refuse to risk British lives in meddling ?peacekeeping? missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake;

- Restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

how they go about it who knows much the same as any party but they have there explanations of which i am no expert in whether they would work or not but a lot are straighforward steps and could be easily implemented

i am pretty sure though a vote for bnp WILL NOT mean that all black and asian people are marched to dover at gunpoint as some extremists seem to think and nor should it

no one wants a civil war but i think in the future if mass immigration is not kerbed we may see somthing like it it the not too distant future

[Bulld0g]

Right or wrong, but just watch the interview and listen carefuly to what the guy is saying.
Wootton Bassett Protest March Organiser Anjem Choudary Interview - Sky News Video Player
According to the video hes not saying he wants to disrespect the dead soldiers or the people of Wootton Bassett, hes saying, hes trying to bring to attention the thousands of Afgan/Muslim men, women and children who have been killed in this war.

I am NOT sticking up for this guy nor do i support this march, but if you start banning marches/protests, where do you stop?

Woukd this protest/march have been acceptable if it was in another part of the country?

I dont know the answers but I do know that the whole country is slowly falling apart and nobody knows how to stop it!

But I wont be voteing BNP, they will only pour petrol on fire!

Bloody hell m8 your roped in good style aren't you. The protesting group is called ISLAM 4UK. We don't want islam for UK. We want people to have a choice, not be dictated to.

Personally i don't give a rats what shite he comes out with,the very fact he's picked the town which is strongly associated with our dead soldiers is akin to shitting on your doorstep and knocking for toilet paper.

[thered]

Bloody hell m8 your roped in good style aren't you. The protesting group is called ISLAM 4UK. We don't want islam for UK. We want people to have a choice, not be dictated to.

Personally i don't give a rats what shite he comes out with,the very fact he's picked the town which is strongly associated with our dead soldiers is akin to shitting on your doorstep and knocking for toilet paper.

exactly m8 why the choice of wooton basset?

one reason only to cause an uproar they are sick