Taking the p**s!

[dale094]

well said

Thered + Bulldog

no disrespect chap from greece, But as far as i am concerned you have left to make a better life of which i dont blame you !!

But please dont patronise the very people who are still struggling in this country to reclaim our heritage back from liebCONlibs who have sold us down the road.

i used to live or still in what was a predominatley white area in north Manchester who's voters wanted it that way and chose to vote BNP, who came second in the local elections.

So what did the government do ? they flooded it with imigrants to out vote us.

lots of young white familys now cannot get a home.

so please if your happy in GREECE stay that way and dont interfer.

[Bulld0g]

but all true to form don't actually give any constructive criticism

I thought Chroma done exactly that.

[Raven]

I thought Chroma done exactly that.

Not from what I read, I just read a bunch of his opinions on why the BNP can't succeed which are exactly that, his opinion. Not saying I don't respect his opinions but I don't necessarily agree with him and it's the same vice versa no doubt. Personally I believe his opinion and all others who oppose the BNP to be a defeatist attitude for reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread. Meaning it's always negative about the BNP, their voters and how the party can't succeed but if you notice of those people saying that crap it's never anything positive about what we as people can do to help ourselves. In other words considering they hate the BNP so much and they're so against their proposal plans, people like chroma seem to have an experienced opinion on everything and yet they never offer up any better alternative suggestions themselves it's always on with the negatives. Or so I've found.....hence defeatist. What's wrong with optimist ?

[Bulld0g]

Not from what I read, I just read a bunch of his opinions on why the BNP can't succeed which are exactly that, his opinion. Not saying I don't respect his opinions but I don't necessarily agree with him and it's the same vice versa no doubt. Personally I believe his opinion on the BNP to be defeatist for reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread. It's always negative about how the BNP can't succeed but it's never anything positive about what we as people can do to help ourselves. Or so I've found.....

Read it again m8 . It's exactly what you asked for. Constructive criticism

[Bulld0g]

well said

Thered + Bulldog

no disrespect chap from greece, But as far as i am concerned you have left to make a better life of which i dont blame you !!

But please dont patronise the very people who are still struggling in this country to reclaim our heritage back from liebCONlibs who have sold us down the road.

i used to live or still in what was a predominatley white area in north Manchester who's voters wanted it that way and chose to vote BNP, who came second in the local elections.

So what did the government do ? they flooded it with imigrants to out vote us.

lots of young white familys now cannot get a home.

so please if your happy in GREECE stay that way and dont interfer.

With all due respect Dale, i haven't seen one post from zap where he disrespects anyone. Infact in his defence he has lived in the UK all his life and has only left in the last few years.That IMHO entitles him to give an opinion on the shores he may well return to.You telling him, not to interfere in the affairs of a country where he has worked and paid taxes all his life m8, IS disrespectful.

I take your point about young families not being able to get a council house. This is a nationwide problem. I asked earlier in this thread what the BNP's policies where about the NHS and Education and i'm still waiting for an answer. The truth is, these policies are secondary only to their main policy ,which is to rid England of immigrants. Unless someone can tell me different.

[Raven]

Read it again m8 . It's exactly what you asked for. Constructive criticism

No it's not, it's flat out criticism m8 there's nothing in it which is constructive - unless you're against the BNP in which case you'd find the whole post constructive. What it is in my view is what I said it was all along, a big "opinion on reason against" post. As I said he seems so confident that BNP can't possibly fix the country but if anything make it worse, so what's his opinion on how we go about fixing the country then ? What do we voters do ? follow up your criticism against the BNP's ideas with some ideas of your own on how to get us out of the toilet and THEN what you have is constructive criticism. Without the output of a constructive positive idea too then by definition you only have criticism. Which is what chroma's post was, criticism of ideas.

As for the voters, the only outlet appears to be the BNP and whether we agree with their policies or not or whether we agree they'll do a good turn or not is irrelevant - it's the fact that they appear to be ticking boxes and that's why they're growing in popularity. As I say people opposed to them don't give opinions on solutions, just why BNP are bad. And they talk like they know for a fact as well when the truth is nobody knows anything until the day comes that Nick Griffin is the Prime Minister.

Could be a big mistake or an I told you so situation, but I'm willing to give them a chance. Something needs to change, Labour deffo need to go - the question is are any of the other parties including the BNP any better ? My better judgement says no. But what do we do m8 ?

[dale094]

i take it you cannot read bulldog

no disrespect chap from greece,

or is no disrespect + disrespectful two different words.

yes he has as much right as anybody to voice his opinions, if they are helpful, But to use the word nazi to highlight a democratically elected party, smacks all the 1 million people who cast their vote in the face as if they are all nazi's

so is that not disrespectful to those 1 million voters.

?Too often in recent years the call for a rational debate on mass migration has degenerated into name-calling and charges of racism.?

No, that?s not Nick Griffin speaking, but none other than Lord Carey of Clifton, better known as George Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury. Writing in The Times this morning Lord Carey warns:
?The fact is that a rise in the UK population by ten million in two decades will put our nation?s resources under considerable strain, stretching almost to breaking point the enormous reserves of tolerance and generosity of the British people. Failure to take that action could be seriously damaging to the future harmony of our society.?
He also acknowledges that the million people who voted for the British National Party at the European Elections had genuine concerns about both overpopulation and the ability of this nation to integrate new communities whose values are sometimes very different, even antithetical, to our own.
He then went even further, and predicted that the British National Party could win the parliamentary seat of Dagenham at the General Election.
He told the readers of Britain?s premier newspaper:
?In Dagenham, where I was brought up, the white working-class electorate, alienated by far-reaching social change and largely ignored by the mainstream parties, could vote for a BNP Member of Parliament.?
He said that people were supporting the BNP because it was the only political party echoing the sense of unfairness that many people felt about immigrants, economic migrants and bogus asylum seekers coming to Britain and availing themselves of our social services and our jobs.
?There is a sense of alienation on the part of white working class people who are saying ?our jobs are being taken by people from abroad?.?
The former Archbishop of Canterbury also expressed concern that Britain?s traditional values were being undermined by immigration.
?The idea that Britain can continue to welcome with open arms immigrants who immediately establish their own tribunals to apply Sharia, rather than make use of British civil law, is deeply socially divisive.
?Democratic institutions such as the monarchy, Parliament, the judiciary, the Church of England, our free press and the BBC also support the liberal democratic values of the nation. Some groups of migrants, however, are ambivalent about or even hostile to such institutions. The proposed antiwar Islamist march in Wootton Bassett is a clear example of the difficulties extremists pose to British society.?


i suppose he's a nazi too !!

[Bulld0g]

i take it you cannot read bulldog

no disrespect chap from greece,

or is no disrespect + disrespectful two different words.

No. I get the missus to read it for me because i'm thick. and she said, you SAID "no disrespect" and then went on to DISRESPECT the man. Can you see that or are you as ignorant as i'm thick ?

[dale094]

no m8 i take it your more than thick !!

1 you have not answered my question's

are the 1 million voters nazis too!!

2 is lord carey a nazi too !!

or my better instincts tell me you don't give a shit.

so go and order your wife to brew another cuppa for you

after all thasts how muslim women get treated isn't it.

[Bulld0g]

To answer your questions m8
1 No. the majority are like me. pissed off but don't want the BNP in power
2 Probably not
3 or theres no 3 it was a smart arsed comment, but to answer you my wife's not a muslim nor am i.

Now have the courtesy as a BNP voter to convey any of their policies to me in your own words apart from the ethnic cleansing please

[Raven]

you have not answered my question's

Nor mine.....mind you it's to be expected people don't have proper answers they just love to slag the BNP off and anyone who votes for them like god itself gave them the right and half of the time purely because they've nothing better to do. And when they haven't got a proper answer to your point that's when the ridicule and personal slurs start to occur. Like it has done, thread's gone retarded now. Come on sort it out lads, if you're going to argue make it well honed and stay away from personal insults that's a mugs game. Don't make me break out the facebook petrol again like I did before.

[Bulld0g]

I agree m8. No reason for personal insults to anyone.It's an open forum and a good thread. Lets keep it that way. I've answered questions and given opinions which is what it's all about. I would still like an answer on the policies of the bnp from anyone.

[dale094]

here you go BULLDOG

Britain once led the world in education and technology ? and can do so again, but only if it follows some basic rules to rebuild its educational system in such a way that it nurtures the innate genius which lies in our nation?s youth. The problems with the British educational system are well known to all. Simply put, the British educational system is not working. Exams have been dumbed down and while more students are obtaining meaningless bits of paper, employers are complaining that graduates cannot spell.
?Citizenship? lessons are a euphemism for political indoctrination. Discipline has collapsed, trendy teaching methods have failed and schools face a crisis. The abolition of grants and introduction of fees for university students has hit poor children hardest, while soft, useless subjects are replacing the hard sciences of value to Britain.
In short, this nation stands before an educational abyss, and only the British National Party has the educational policy designed to pull it back from the brink.
The BNP?s policy consists of the following building blocks:
- The restoration of discipline ? including corporal punishment ? uniforms, traditional teaching methods and stricter exams (e.g. ?0′ levels);
- The reintroduction of grammar schools with entrance exams at 11 and 13;
- The reversal of the programme to close special needs schools which penalises the most vulnerable;
- The reintroduction of competitive sports and daily Christian assemblies;
- The teaching of old-fashioned literacy skills (as opposed to clearly failed ?modern? teaching methods);
- The teaching of old-fashioned mathematics skills which have practical application to everyday life;
- The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;
- The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake ?social sciences?);
- The improvement of school food as proper meals have been shown to be linked to behaviour and achievement;
- The ending of the scandalous and racist neglect that has left working class white boys at the bottom of the table for academic achievement;
- The introduction of tax breaks for home-schooling parents or direct subsidies as their fair share of the education budget;
- The introduction of a compulsory Community Award Scheme for all school-leavers to teach them work ethics and social and community values. This would consist of work caring for the elderly or handicapped people, or environmental or heritage restoration projects, or military training. These courses would be character-building and instil discipline, social and community values and work ethics in all young people. Service in this scheme would entitle each individual to get ?something back? from the society to which they have learnt to contribute, such as free university education, a properly supported apprenticeship, or business training and start-up capital for would-be entrepreneurs.
Britain can be great once again ? with the BNP?s plan to rescue this nation?s educational system
The time has come for change.

[dale094]

and again BULLDOG

For decades, the British National Health Service was looked upon by the rest of the world as one of the most successful state run health services in the world. Today, it is a laughing stock. The NHS is critically ill. NHS Trusts are sacking staff, closing wards, cancelling operations and refusing patients vital life-saving drugs. Meanwhile, ?health tourists? are costing the NHS ?2 billion a year, and diseases such as TB and AIDS are on the increase as a result of immigration.
British doctors and nurses are unable to find work in the NHS because we are importing medical staff (often with questionable qualifications) from the Third World where they are desperately needed.
Sixty percent of NHS staff are bureaucrats, and there are now more managers in the NHS than beds ? with many earning more than ?100,000 per year.
The contracting out of cleaning (often to contractors employing illegal immigrants) has resulted in collapsing standards of cleanliness, with around 20,000 patients a year dying of hospital-acquired infections.
?Marketisation,? and particularly the Conservative-created Private Finance Initiative (PFI) schemes imposed by Gordon Brown, has been a disaster which is saddling Trusts and the taxpayer with enormous debts. We totally reject this attempt to turn the nation?s health service into a private profit centre for giant corporations.
The British National Party has the only plan by which our NHS can be nursed back to health.
The BNP is wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens.
The BNP?s policy is to:
- Replace 100,000 NHS bureaucrats with doctors, nurses and dentists;
- Invest sufficient money in the NHS to provide a decent service to the British people;
- Bring hospital cleaning back in-house and make high cleanliness a top priority;
- End the scandal of foreign health tourism;
- Train and pay to retain British doctors, nurses and dentists instead of looting the Third World of staff who are desperately needed in their home countries;
- Revitalise the healthcare system by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention ? low pay.
- We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them.
- Finally, more emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.
The time has come for change.

[Raven]

I would still like an answer on the policies of the bnp from anyone.

It's like anything from any political party, probably pure bullshit or a poorly implemented idea. The only thing these governments do well is start wars, steal money and all that cloak n dagger stuff.

Which begs my question, instead of being defeatist and bitching about the BNP and moaning about Labour, assuming it's fixable then being optimistic for once what do we as people do to fix our country ? Because that's the real question WE should be figuring out. Yknow, as opposed to all this irrelevant in-fighting.