Taking the p**s!

[dale094]

thats enough m8

Originally, benefits were meant as the state?s obligation to support those who genuinely are not in a position to support themselves. This guiding principle must always remain the guiding light for a just and humane system ? and it is the core of the British National Party?s welfare policy. However, decades of Labour and Tory socialist state-induced welfare dependency has utterly distorted this noble ideal. Well-meaning welfare programmes have been exploited, distorted and twisted to become nothing more than a free handout to scroungers, foreign and local. This has in turn created a welfare dependency culture which has led to in excess of six million people living in homes where no one has a job and where benefits are a way of life.
Not only does this cost the taxpayer in excess of ?13 billion per year, but it also has a hugely damaging effect upon the psychology of a nation which once led the world in productivity, technological innovation and which gave birth to the Industrial Revolution. This dire situation must be reversed ? urgently.
Only the British National Party has the plan to reverse these decades of disastrous Labour and Tory social engineering programmes ? through a sensible policy of workfare, not welfare.
The principle is simple: those who receive community support incur obligations as well. People who genuinely want to work must be provided with the opportunity to do so in return for training which will put them back into proper full-time employment.
In return for financial support and training for a new career, the benefit recipient must complete a certain number of hours of work per week. Properly implemented, this policy will undermine the benefit dependency culture and bring masses of unemployed back into the formal employment sector.
Ultimately there must be only one category of welfare recipient: those who genuinely deserve or have earned it. The scrounger entitlement mentality must be discarded. Those who can work but refuse to do so, must face the consequences of their actions on their own.
The success of the ?workfare not welfare? policy has been proven: these programmes already exist in Australia, America and even in India. Britain has to get back to work: and workfare provides the only path through which this aim will be achieved.
It is equally important that the burden of foreign scroungers be dealt with vigorously. Britain has become a land where foreigners come first and decent, hard-working Britons are exploited. Immigrants come here and are immediately given council homes while Britons are pushed further and further back in the queue.
The BNP?s housing policy is:
- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;
- Make length of residency in an area the key criterion for council house allocation;
- Preserve the ?right to buy? of individual tenants, but with the money from sales being used to build more council houses;
- Take all privatised social housing stock back under local democratically controlled council ownership;
- Ensure that the billions being spent on the utterly bogus asylum seeker and immigration swindles is redeployed to alleviate the appalling conditions under which many of Britain?s old people are forced to live.
- A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age.
Only the British National Party has the answer to the crisis in which the welfare state finds itself after years of misrule.
The time has come for change.

[dale094]

and by the way Bulldog

ive always voted CONservative

But time for change i think so no i dont vote BNP

But that doesn't mean i cant change !!

[Bulld0g]

thats enough m8

Originally, benefits were meant as the state?s obligation to support those who genuinely are not in a position to support themselves. This guiding principle must always remain the guiding light for a just and humane system ? and it is the core of the British National Party?s welfare policy. However, decades of Labour and Tory socialist state-induced welfare dependency has utterly distorted this noble ideal. Well-meaning welfare programmes have been exploited, distorted and twisted to become nothing more than a free handout to scroungers, foreign and local. This has in turn created a welfare dependency culture which has led to in excess of six million people living in homes where no one has a job and where benefits are a way of life.
Not only does this cost the taxpayer in excess of ?13 billion per year, but it also has a hugely damaging effect upon the psychology of a nation which once led the world in productivity, technological innovation and which gave birth to the Industrial Revolution. This dire situation must be reversed ? urgently.
Only the British National Party has the plan to reverse these decades of disastrous Labour and Tory social engineering programmes ? through a sensible policy of workfare, not welfare.
The principle is simple: those who receive community support incur obligations as well. People who genuinely want to work must be provided with the opportunity to do so in return for training which will put them back into proper full-time employment.
In return for financial support and training for a new career, the benefit recipient must complete a certain number of hours of work per week. Properly implemented, this policy will undermine the benefit dependency culture and bring masses of unemployed back into the formal employment sector.
Ultimately there must be only one category of welfare recipient: those who genuinely deserve or have earned it. The scrounger entitlement mentality must be discarded. Those who can work but refuse to do so, must face the consequences of their actions on their own.
The success of the ?workfare not welfare? policy has been proven: these programmes already exist in Australia, America and even in India. Britain has to get back to work: and workfare provides the only path through which this aim will be achieved.
It is equally important that the burden of foreign scroungers be dealt with vigorously. Britain has become a land where foreigners come first and decent, hard-working Britons are exploited. Immigrants come here and are immediately given council homes while Britons are pushed further and further back in the queue.
The BNP?s housing policy is:
- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;
- Make length of residency in an area the key criterion for council house allocation;
- Preserve the ?right to buy? of individual tenants, but with the money from sales being used to build more council houses;
- Take all privatised social housing stock back under local democratically controlled council ownership;
- Ensure that the billions being spent on the utterly bogus asylum seeker and immigration swindles is redeployed to alleviate the appalling conditions under which many of Britain?s old people are forced to live.
- A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age.
Only the British National Party has the answer to the crisis in which the welfare state finds itself after years of misrule.
The time has come for change.

Yea plenty thanks

Only the British National Party has the plan to reverse these decades of disastrous Labour and Tory social engineering programmes ? through a sensible policy of workfare, not welfare.

Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens


Hmmm too many cooks spoil the broth and many hands make light work eh

Get people working and pay them benefits. whats that ? OWWW its a splinter in me arse off the fence i'm trying to sit on

[dale094]

Only the British National Party has the plan to reverse these decades of disastrous Labour and Tory social engineering programmes ? through a sensible policy of workfare, not welfare.

Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens


Hmmm too many cooks spoil the broth and many hands make light work eh

Get people working and pay them benefits. whats that ? OWWW its a splinter in me arse off the fence i'm trying to sit on

well Bulldog

1 yes only British citezens should recieve benefits, would you get any in australia or pakistan.

2 many of our own citezens and foreigners do recieve benfits and work illegally so whats wrong with that.

unless your a scoucer !! joke m8

[Raven]

Yea plenty thanks

Only the British National Party has the plan to reverse these decades of disastrous Labour and Tory social engineering programmes ? through a sensible policy of workfare, not welfare.

Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens


Hmmm too many cooks spoil the broth and many hands make light work eh

Get people working and pay them benefits. whats that ? OWWW its a splinter in me arse off the fence i'm trying to sit on

The trouble is no matter what idea they try to implement people will find a way to exploit it, I think the thing is that we should be looking at the point of the idea....for example as you said making benefits and social housing only available to British citizens....not exactly, but there's nothing wrong with the British person having priority to his or her own resources, that's the way it should be. Hence why all other coutries operate that way but us seemingly.

As for the benefit sponging...it's a funny one, if you could create job opportunities for everybody who is able bodied or rather able minded then great. But the problem is the amount of people who don't want to work and the ones who are now in a rutt of their own doing due to lack of work history but is entirely their own fault anyhow, point is if the work and pay is there great cut them off because when there's no money coming in they'll soon find work through necessity, problem is with jobs comes competition - hence unemployment. The real issue is getting these people into the right frame of mind to better themselves and in order to do that they need financial backing to facilitate it - an example, say colleges were to hand out money equivalent to or slightly more than a basic giro for attending college, how many people would be there like a shot because they can better themselves but not take a financial hit in doing it ?

[Bulld0g]

Getting the country back to work is the problem faced by all parties. Am i missing something here ? Are you saying if the BNP came to power and gave people the chance to train for a trade that the unemployed would jump at it? I sincerely hope thats not what you mean because those opportunities are there now and people don't take them.

[dale094]

this is why Bulldog

An ?industrial scale? invasion of Indian IT personnel entering Britain on inter-company transfers is putting British people out of work, says the Association of Professional Staffing Companies (APSCO). Ann Swain, the chief executive of the APSCO, which represents recruitment companies in Britain, said that intra-company transfers were supposed to allow specialists within a company to fill senior positions abroad.
The system is however being abused to ?fill lower level roles in which the skills used are largely standardised? ? in other words, to fill positions which should be done by British people.
?Intra-company transfers are being done on an almost industrial scale,? Ms Swain was quoted as saying.
Some 45,000 non-EU foreign workers came to Britain under the scheme last year, of which at least 30,000 were from India. Most had come via companies such as Indian-based Tata, which has taken advantage of the Tory and Labour economic policy of selling off Britain?s assets, both private and state.
When a company such as Tata brings its own people into Britain on an intra-company transfer, it does not have to advertise the position to local British people.
According to APSCO, most of the Indian IT workers came from low and mid-level IT jobs ?where there are not significant skills shortages among British-born workers.?
Figures released by the Border and Immigration Agency show that seven of the top ten companies bringing in IT workers were Indian. Topping the list is Tata Consultancy Services, which sponsored 4,465 intra-company transfers last year, followed by Infosys Technology with 3,030.
Many of the applications approved were in low-level jobs, including almost 18,000 in what were described as ?other IT-related occupations.?
Ms Swain said that many of the transfers were for jobs for which there were not shortages of British workers. She said: ?These figures show how easy it is for foreign companies to bypass the UK labour market.
?Foreign companies are supposed to pay workers brought in on intra-company transfers UK market rates but you have to wonder whether there is some economic benefit to transferring Indian workers from a low-wage economy to Britain.?
Labour?s Immigration Minister Phil Woolas defended the transfers, telling a newspaper that they ?made Britain an attractive place in which to do business.?
It seems that the definition of an ?attractive place in which to do business? is one where British workers are put on the scrapheap while all manner of Third World immigrants are put first.

[Raven]

Getting the country back to work is the problem faced by all parties. Am i missing something here ? Are you saying if the BNP came to power and gave people the chance to train for a trade that the unemployed would jump at it? I sincerely hope thats not what you mean because those opportunities are there now and people don't take them.

No I'm saying that unemployment "as is" is made worse because things ain't equal financially, like how is it that person A gets ?30 per week for actually attending college trying to better themselves when person B gets ?50 per week for doing sod all but going to the dole office once per fortnight - who's the real mug there ?? And more to the point how is that right ? Shouldn't it be the other way around and get more money for being at college ? Not only are you financially better off that way but you're promoting bettering ones self and some sort of work ethic that way. As it is with the current shit state of affairs people are encouraged to stay at home at do ~~~~ all - and I know this lot because I've been on both sides of the fence before and if I weren't financially worse off I'd be in college right now trying to better myself.

And that's the point I'm making, how can we expect to promote bettering yourself when we don't make it financially viable for colleges ? full time college courses are just about full time work hours and at ?30 per week you might as well not bother at all because that doesn't even cover transport and lunch money let alone anything else....and with college being full time hours not everyone can or should be expected to work part time as well just to cover expenses they should really be getting anyhow.

[dale094]

Getting the country back to work is the problem faced by all parties. Am i missing something here ? Are you saying if the BNP came to power and gave people the chance to train for a trade that the unemployed would jump at it? I sincerely hope thats not what you mean because those opportunities are there now and people don't take them.

how can they and whats the point m8 look above

Bulldog: with all due respect m8, you remind me of an ostrich or labour MP that has got its head buried in the sand whilst letting its arse spout the nonsense, so averting to the truth.

[Bulld0g]

this is why Bulldog

An ?industrial scale? invasion of Indian IT personnel entering Britain on inter-company transfers is putting British people out of work, says the Association of Professional Staffing Companies (APSCO). Ann Swain, the chief executive of the APSCO, which represents recruitment companies in Britain, said that intra-company transfers were supposed to allow specialists within a company to fill senior positions abroad.
The system is however being abused to ?fill lower level roles in which the skills used are largely standardised? ? in other words, to fill positions which should be done by British people.
?Intra-company transfers are being done on an almost industrial scale,? Ms Swain was quoted as saying.
Some 45,000 non-EU foreign workers came to Britain under the scheme last year, of which at least 30,000 were from India. Most had come via companies such as Indian-based Tata, which has taken advantage of the Tory and Labour economic policy of selling off Britain?s assets, both private and state.
When a company such as Tata brings its own people into Britain on an intra-company transfer, it does not have to advertise the position to local British people.
According to APSCO, most of the Indian IT workers came from low and mid-level IT jobs ?where there are not significant skills shortages among British-born workers.?
Figures released by the Border and Immigration Agency show that seven of the top ten companies bringing in IT workers were Indian. Topping the list is Tata Consultancy Services, which sponsored 4,465 intra-company transfers last year, followed by Infosys Technology with 3,030.
Many of the applications approved were in low-level jobs, including almost 18,000 in what were described as ?other IT-related occupations.?
Ms Swain said that many of the transfers were for jobs for which there were not shortages of British workers. She said: ?These figures show how easy it is for foreign companies to bypass the UK labour market.
?Foreign companies are supposed to pay workers brought in on intra-company transfers UK market rates but you have to wonder whether there is some economic benefit to transferring Indian workers from a low-wage economy to Britain.?
Labour?s Immigration Minister Phil Woolas defended the transfers, telling a newspaper that they ?made Britain an attractive place in which to do business.?
It seems that the definition of an ?attractive place in which to do business? is one where British workers are put on the scrapheap while all manner of Third World immigrants are put first.

This is going back to a different argument m8. The minimum wage, and who will and wont work for it. I along with a lot of close friends are in the building trade. It's being destroyed by east European workers.

Let me ask you something m8, your doing your utmost to bring me around to your way of thinking. Do you think i support the march ? This is what this thread is all about. Don't go off on a tangent stick to the topic.I am opposed to the march i am also opposed to the BNP.

[Raven]

Don't go off on a tangent stick to the topic.I am opposed to the march i am also opposed to the BNP.

I wonder if the call to stay on topic all of a sudden is because we have good points that you haven't got an answer to

It was only an hour ago you said this was a good thread and was all about opinions. It hasn't changed since and we've been on this topic now for a good few hours since well before that so it's going to be seen to the death at this point. To me the stay on topic cry is the classic "i'm not playing this game anymore cos i've nothing left" routine

[dale094]

LOOK bulldog.

I am and will never try and coerce anybody, that's why we enjoy our freedom of speech and different opinions which i respect.

And i understand you don't wish to support the BNP , fine thats democracy for you.

But you seem to be marginilizing the BNP its voters for their views.

Nothing whatsoever regarding all the fundamentalist idiological groups that try to attack the freedoms you and i and every peace loving citezen want to preserve.

well you asked for policies you got them and mocked them

what can i say .

call it a night and go down to local mosque for a few pints of camel milk and chat to A Choudry.

[Bulld0g]

I wonder if the call to stay on topic all of a sudden is because we have good points that you haven't got an answer to

It was only an hour ago you said this was a good thread and was all about opinions. It hasn't changed since and we've been on this topic now for a good few hours since well before that so it's going to be seen to the death at this point. To me the stay on topic cry is the classic "i'm not playing this game anymore cos i've nothing left" routine

Fact is bnp are not the answer, They have no say who marches where and when. Whats with the cry comment ? No cry here, just you people are like sheep bla bla bla with no sense. Bnp are the answer bleat bleat, The answer to what ~~~~~~ ? You still havent gave me a single thing to think about as far as voting go's.

Its like the be all and end all is getting everyone non English out of the country. You say they have changed. Changed in what way. The holocaust wasnt real. Anthony Lawrence as a drug deaer who stole kids pocket money. Come on who in their right minds would vote for a man like this.And before you say it. the 1m voters were not in their right mind they are sick of the main parties and want to give a wake up call to them.
The reason i said get on topic was because the march wasnt being debated but the rights and wrongs of the bnp

[Raven]

Fact is bnp are not the answer,

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nobody knows anything until Nick Griffin is Prime Minister. Until that day comes it's not a fact. End of.

The reason i said get on topic was because the march wasnt being debated but the rights and wrongs of the bnp

Yeah and you know why that was don't you ? It's because you can't talk about stuff like this without the BNP getting a mention. And you can't talk about the BNP without somebody being called a nazi. And ultimately people debating in these threads like they know the lot well fact is they don't know ~~~~ all until it happens.....that's the truth.

What's with this sheep thing anyway bulldog ? you wanna chill out mate I was only having a laugh with you.

[dale094]

Ok Bulldog

lets stay on the topic of Wooten Basset.

BNP VOW TO STOP MARCH.

Has any of our 3 liblabcon MP's actually said a word

The three highest publicly elected British National Party officials, GLA member Richard Barnbrook and MEPs Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, have vowed to physically block the road in Wootton Bassett should the authorities permit the threatened Islamist march in that town to proceed.
In an official statement, the BNP announced that it would ?defend Wootton Bassett and the memory of our fallen heroes. Nick Griffin MEP, Andrew Brons MEP and Richard Barnbrook AM will block the path of the Muslim fanatics.?
The statement said that the party had warned the authorities after the Luton incident that unless militant Islamism was curbed in Britain, the problem would grow worse.
?Do you remember the outrageous scenes in Luton when our returning soldiers were abused and spat on by fanatical ?British? Muslims?,? the statement said.
?The British National Party stated then that this was only the beginning of such vile displays as militant Islam flexes its muscles on our streets.
?We warned the authorities that unless the Government took firm action against these evil haters of all things British, they would become more provocative.
?Well, now as predicted, it?s happened. It has just been announced that the organisation ISLAM4UK, (a platform for the fanatical Al Muhajiroun group) led by Mr Anjem Choudary and a mob of at least 500 Islamic extremists plan to defile the memory of our dead soldiers by marching their hatred through Wootton Basset.
?This is the town through which the flag-draped coffins of our fallen servicemen and women are brought home. It is where families go to pay their respects to our glorious dead as they make the solemn journey to their final resting place. The thought of 500 hateful Islamists desecrating this place and spitting in the face of every true British citizen and the grief-stricken relatives of the dead is truly beyond the pale.
?It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass!
?The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage.
?However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.
?With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers.
?We appeal to the authorities to do the right thing and arrest these traitorous Muslim fanatics. We are at war. Our men and women are being killed on a daily basis and we are expected to put up with this gross outrage and insult to the families of the fallen. Make no mistake, we are earnest on this issue.
?If the authorities lack the courage and moral fibre to confront this disgusting Muslim march of hate, we believe that the presence of our three highest-profile elected politicians in a peaceful yet highly symbolic defiance of the Muslim mob, will force the Government to ban this vile march.
?If they do not, the PR consequences for them and public support for us will be immeasurable,? the BNP statement concluded.
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