UK Downloading Bill passed....

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and how will onion and garlic routers fare in all this dpi approach

Not well.

The connection goes from your computer to your modem/router and then to either a DSLAM (in the case of Digital Subscriber Lines) or to a CMTS (in the case of Cable DOCSIS)

Then from either the DSLAM or CMTS to the backhaul and into the internet proper.
The DPI gear will be placed directly behind the DSLAM/CMTS so you pass through it before either uploading or downloading from the internet.

They can manualy scan and read the contents of packets, which is scary enough, whats even more frightning is that they can ALTER packets on the fly.
Dont like a piece of text on a website? no problem a quick script fed to the dpi gear and you can change anything on the fly without a user noticing.

Very handy for party propaganda come election time, advertising all the time, cutting out news stories that the powers at be dont want you to know about, spreading misinformation into topics the powers that be find offensive etc.

Regardless of protocol, any packet can be modified to say exactly what whomever controls the gear wants it to say.

A deep packet inspector works just like a dodgy translator, where you have no idea if what your telling someone or hearing from someone is accurate. Everything has to go through it first.

Companies are interested in the tech because they can closely monitor EVERYTHING your uploading/downloading and they can insert advertisements for their products whenever they feel the need.

Governments are interested because its a great way of controling a population, speech will no longer be open, transparent nor free online.

ISP's are interested because they could control data for the highest bidder, if someone doesnt like a review online then its just a matter of paying off a good few ISP's to have it altered.

The only people against it are the population at large, and lets face it thats just like the battery chickens complaining to Colonel Sanders.

[lusephur]

nice take on music and the internet from mick jagger
This BBC News interview with [Sir] Mick Jagger on the 40th anniversary of the Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street contains a few really choice grafs about the myth that the internet has robbed artists of their livelihoods. He seems pretty chill about the perceived threats of downloading, and explains that for a long time, the record labels did a fine job of robbing artists:

BBC: What's your feeling on technology and music? Jagger: Technology and music have been together since the beginning of recording. [The internet is] just one facet of the technology of music. Music has been aligned with technology for a long time. The model of records and record selling is a very complex subject and quite boring, to be honest.
BBC: But your view is valid because you have a huge catalogue, which is worth a lot of money, and you've been in the business a long time, so you have perspective.
Jagger: Well, it's all changed in the last couple of years. We've gone through a period where everyone downloaded everything for nothing and we've gone into a grey period it's much easier to pay for things - assuming you've got any money.
BBC: Are you quite relaxed about it?
Jagger: I am quite relaxed about it. But, you know, it is a massive change and it does alter the fact that people don't make as much money out of records. But I have a take on that - people only made money out of records for a very, very small time. When The Rolling Stones started out, we didn't make any money out of records because record companies wouldn't pay you! They didn't pay anyone!
Then, there was a small period from 1970 to 1997, where people did get paid, and they got paid very handsomely and everyone made money. But now that period has gone. So if you look at the history of recorded music from 1900 to now, there was a 25 year period where artists did very well, but the rest of the time they didn't.

Here's the entire interview.

[radioham]

House of Lord is different as its represented not by MPs but by peer's such as Lords, Bishops, dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts, and barons who are not politically motivated.

You wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cheers Chas.

[radioham]

So what they're saying is the bill won't stop what the music & film industry want. But it will severely damage everyone else.

Has anyone been able to resurrect the dead yet? I have a burning need to bring Guy Fawkes back to life.

Come back Guy Fawkes "ALL IS FORGIVEN" But next time do a proper job of it!!!!!!Cheers Chas. Look out STASI about!!!

[radioham]

yes but remember, the entertainment industry is dominated by large (very f'n large) corporations, who are primarily externalising machines, they see nothing wrong with someone else paying for their expense and they reap the profits.
And this is were the bottom line occurs, especially with the recording industry (which is the proper name for who is calling the shots, not the music industry, two seperate areas)
The recording industry giants have had decades of unchallenged rule, they controlled the studios, they controlled the contracts and distribution, things have over the last ten years changed all that, and they see a serious threat to their profits.
remember they are not trying to ban or kill downloads, they are trying to ban/kill downloads they can not control (as are the other areas of the digital media set)
in other words, p2p = bad, rapidshare/depositfiles = bad, itunes = good, you can see the result forming already.

and lets be completely honest, it is not some wild specultaion to say storage media will grow exponentially in storage space and shrink in physical size over the years, I can remember the first time i sw a gigabit drive, huge it was. and right now in a cup beside me, there are a number of sd cards and thumb drives which total, at a guess, at around 200gb. Now it's not out of the realm of possibility to suggest in a few years time there will be personal drives that will fit in your pocket and easily retain every recorded piece of music ever recorded.
and what's to stop people getting together and swapping files, similar to the disk swapping parties in the amiga days?
as hard as copying a cd or dvd is now, that's as hard as it will ever be, it will in fact get easier. So will these plutocratic entities bring in new laws that you can't visit a friends house, or leave your own home with a personal drive? will they make it illegal for you to whistle a tune because you haven't paid the public broadcast license fee?
might be a little far fetched, but then again if someone suggested 5 years ago that the Uk would be introducing the Digital Economy Bill he would have been looked at as mad.

Power corrupts,Total power corrupts totally!!!!!!!!!!!Look at the election(?) they were fighting like cats in a barrel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'Nuff Sed!!!Cheers Chas.

[cunny]

Digital Economy Bill minister stabbed ? The Register

[Canker_Canison]

Shame she didn't do a better job on him. If politicians went in fear of their lives they might do a better job of running the country.