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  • caveman_nige
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    • Feb 2008
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    FIFA World Cup - How dangerous is South Africa?

    With a multitude of tourists heading to South Africa for the World Cup, a question hangs on many lips: how dangerous is the country?
    South Africa is a place where a lot of violent crime happens.
    That much is hard to dispute.
    Each day an average of nearly 50 people are murdered.
    In addition to these 18,000 murders each year, there are another 18,000 attempted murders.
    Murder is a staple of the news. In April, it was white supremacist Eugene Terreblanche. Earlier this month, it was Lolly Jackson, the flamboyant owner of the Teazers strip club chain, killed at a house in Kempton Park, just outside Johannesburg.
    In the run-up to the World Cup, British newspapers have been happy to convey a terrifying picture of South Africa.
    One recently told its readers about "Cape Town's culture of gangsters, drugs, rape, robbery and a murder every 25 minutes".
    So should football fans fear for their lives at the World Cup?
    It's a complicated picture, says Johan Burger, senior researcher in the crime and justice programme at South Africa's Institute for Security Studies.
    The first thing is that the South African murder rate is going down and not up.
    "Contrary to what many people think, the murder rate, while still extremely high, is down by about 44% since 1995. That's a huge decrease."
    The geographical and social spread of murder might also be relevant to visitors.
    "What is important to understand about our high crime rate is that we know from research that approximately 80% of our murders happen within a very specific social context, mostly between people that know one another.
    "There is something wrong within some of our communities in terms of the social interaction and the social conditions."
    In blunt terms, areas with problems have murder levels that can be wildly above the national average.
    Kwa Mashu, a township outside Durban in KwaZulu-Natal, has the unfortunate honour of being dubbed South Africa's murder capital by the media, with 300 last year. It took the unwanted honour from Nyanga, a township outside Cape Town.
    These are not the kinds of areas that are regularly frequented by tourists.
    Dr Burger says research done by other academics points to the social basis for a high crime rate in such areas.
    "There are extremely high rates of unemployment in some areas. All of this leads to a large element of frustration. Often this is the thing that sparks violence.
    "The gap between rich and poor is still widening and it leads to what is seen as relative deprivation. The people in the very, very poor communities, they see wealth.
    "It is not just a gap, it is a visible gap. The situation is aggravated by poor service delivery. Many of our municipalities are in complete disarray, complete dysfunction. This then leads to dissatisfaction. People protest sometimes very violently."


    There are many other crimes apart from murder which are seen as problematic in South Africa.
    The national figure of 203,777 episodes of "assault with the intent to inflict grievous bodily harm" might be alarming. It's hard to compare this with the UK where statistics are grouped differently, though the latter has a larger population (61 million compared with South Africa's 49 million.)
    But like murder, many offences are geographically weighted, says Dr Burger.
    Of the 18,438 house robberies in South Africa last year, 8,122 were in the province of Gauteng, which includes Johannesburg. The likelihood of being a victim is twice the national average there.
    Carjacking is a category of danger that would be novel to most visitors from western Europe.
    Foreign media have sometimes been scathing

    There are junctions which are signposted as carjacking blackspots, and there are areas where drivers will avoid stopping at red lights, particularly at night, preferring the risk of a fine to the risk of hijack.
    "Many people may come in rented cars and then like everyone else they will run the risk of this," says Dr Burger. He notes that "most of the time" carjacking victims are "threatened or violently removed... not seriously injured".
    Unlike most categories of violent crime, recorded instances of carjacking are on the rise in South Africa. The police do their best to fight it, says Pretoria News crime reporter Graeme Hosken.
    "We have had a problem with gangs following tourists from OR Tambo airport [near Johannesburg] and the cops cracked down on that. I take precautions. I've been nearly hijacked myself on an open freeway."
    He advises:
    • Keep your car locked while driving
    • Don't stop for strangers or people who have broken down
    • A blue light does not necessarily mean they are police
    • If carjacked, do not offer resistance
    • Carjacking is geographically skewed with half of the 15,000 happening in Gauteng






    "There's another crime that poses some risk to visitors and that's street robbery," says Dr Burger.
    "People are seldom seriously injured or stabbed or shot. In most cases people are threatened. Criminals will see the World Cup as a huge opportunity."
    People can take a number of steps to reduce their chances of being robbed in the street, he says:
    • Avoid advertising. Don't show you have valuables on your person
    • Take precautions by trying to go to some of these places in groups of five, six, seven or more people
    • Most importantly, make a point of seeking advice

    "The locals know which places people should avoid and the times people should stay away from certain areas."
    If England win their group and make it as far as the quarter finals, they will play in Soccer City, Johannesburg.
    There are areas in the city that have a disproportionate level of crime. Ask a local and they may advise against travel to Hillbrow or Yeoville at night.
    At the same time, people could also point out that every city has its bad bits.
    "I wouldn't go to dodgy areas in London, or the dodgy areas in Liverpool or Manchester," says Hosken.
    But of course the crime issue is high on the agenda for the World Cup organisers.
    The South African Police Service has prepared a plan that includes extra officers, high visibility policing, and deployment of specialist teams.
    "I've seen the police plan, it's extremely impressive," says Dr Burger.
    The South African police say they have a plan to tackle crime

    But while there may be optimism about the police plans, there is still a deep sense of unease, says Hosken.
    "The government says crime is going down, [but] 50 odd people are being killed every single day. There is scepticism about what is really happening.
    "While crime might be going down, it is [often] extremely violent, armed robberies, hijackings. It is very in your face, it is very gruesome. The robbers will come in and not only attack a couple, [but] rape the wife, and severely assault the husband.
    "People are worried about what the government is trying to feed them. The violence associated with crime is increasing."
    And while the South African police can point to decreasing crime and the efforts they are making, fighting the fear of violence is harder.







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  • canan.akerman
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    • Jun 2010
    • 8

    #2
    I would not want to risk anyone's safety but I felt quite safe while I was there, though I did not try venturing into shanty towns... Do have a tour of winelands

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    • firestorm
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      • Jul 2008
      • 1550

      #3
      i have never been to the country but 3 of my work mate are south african one had his wife raped while she was at work,One got shot in his own home, and the othere had his brother carjacked and murdered.
      All of them love there country but none of them would go back to live and have many horror stories to tell but saying that they did hold the rugby world cup
      If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine

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      • Jim.Mahoney
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        • Feb 2010
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        #4
        Like any country, crime is a huge problem!

        The thing with South Africa in general, if you are in a high crime area it's pretty bloody obvious!

        Like anywhere else in the world, if you are going out at night you don't go on your own!

        What the BBC and Sky need is a story and I'm not saying that they are making a mountain out of a molehill BUT any story viewed from one side can look horrific!!

        1. Car jacking - If you keep moving you don't get car jacked!

        2. Rape - Probably more common here, but with sensible precautions it's unlikely. I'll try to be politically correct here... If a rape is going to happen then it would be obvious who the rapist is!

        I have lived in South Africa for six years and the town I now live in now is about the same size of the town where I lived in the UK. The crime rate here is statistically a LOT lower than that of my old home town in the UK!

        Probably your biggest risk in South Africa is the abysmal standard of driving! If you assume every other driver on the road if a bloody idiot you'll be safe!

        The truth about South Africans that live in the UK (and elsewhere of course) and say they will never go back is that it's not all about crime! They are "white South Africans" and their job opportunities are limited because of "affirmative action" this coupled with crime and weakness of our currency add up to the "reasons" why they left!

        How many people living in the UK can say they have not experienced crime first hand?

        A reassuring fact is that not unlike the UK, when a murder is committed then the victim will have known the murdered! You would have no reason what so ever to be even remotely close to Kwa Mashu township in KZN and a place like that would probably account for 20% of the murder statistics of 18,148. In suburban areas I would agree that the murder rate is above that of the UK, but only be 10% or so!

        I'd even go as far as to suggest that you are probably at equal risk going on holiday in somewhere like Florida!

        The only extra requirement for a holiday in South Africa is to bring a little common sense with you!

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        • firestorm
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          • Jul 2008
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          #5
          I have just showed the lad whos wife got raped your reply and i can not repeat what he says but
          She was the bar manger of a sports club in Johanasburg when she was quiet one night 3 blacks broke into the back of the bar into a store room and waited for her. They then ganged raped her then slashed her breasts open leaving her bleeding badley the 3 animals were never caught.
          If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine

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          • Jim.Mahoney
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            • Feb 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by firestorm
            I have just showed the lad whos wife got raped your reply and i can not repeat what he says but
            She was the bar manger of a sports club in Johanasburg when she was quiet one night 3 blacks broke into the back of the bar into a store room and waited for her. They then ganged raped her then slashed her breasts open leaving her bleeding badley the 3 animals were never caught.

            Woman working in a bar at night, in Johannesburg and it was quiet meaning no one was around! I can't think what sort of man would leave his wife working in such a situation?

            If you put yourself in harms way, chances are you'll be harmed!

            You have highlighted what type of individual or group (AKA animals) to be aware of when in South Africa! The indigenous South African is quite unlike any other indigenous African!

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            • firestorm
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              • Jul 2008
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              #7
              Originally posted by Jim.Mahoney
              Woman working in a bar at night, in Johannesburg and it was quiet meaning no one was around! I can't think what sort of man would leave his wife working in such a situation?

              If you put yourself in harms way, chances are you'll be harmed!

              You have highlighted what type of individual or group (AKA animals) to be aware of when in South Africa! The indigenous South African is quite unlike any other indigenous African!
              i cant belive you
              Now you say its her/his fault that she was rapped. I can go down my local have a pint with just one bar maid working and she has never been gang rapped by the local people?
              The woman was not working alone it was quiet so she went to the store room alone
              2 Out of the 3 south african i work with left the country with nothing leaving nice houses behind to come to england. To live in a concil house because they had been shoot or rapped to me this is not a countryi would viset
              If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine

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              • Meat-Head
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                • Oct 2009
                • 32000

                #8
                Yeah brilliant Autowatch Home one of them car alarms that just 'dont' go wrong, make in Africa, AMAZING company, just ring them up, speak to
                Oneeater guatenteed what you ordered is there next day



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                • smirnoff_rules
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                  • Mar 2008
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                  #9
                  its more dangerous to take your phone


                  Fans warned of ?410 World Cup phone bill
                  Football fans heading to South Africa for the World Cup face average bills of up to ?410 because of the "staggering" cost of mobile phone 'roaming'.
                  any information provided is for educational/experimental purposes only.

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                  • Meat-Head
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                    • Oct 2009
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                    #10
                    mate went on holliday to somewhere, put his phone in suitcase, tied it with string, and locks etc.

                    Got home unties case, 'as it was' no phone, just sim card, the baggage handlers had something like 35 items off that flight

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                    • Jim.Mahoney
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                      • Feb 2010
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by firestorm
                      i cant belive you
                      Now you say its her/his fault that she was rapped. I can go down my local have a pint with just one bar maid working and she has never been gang rapped by the local people?
                      The woman was not working alone it was quiet so she went to the store room alone
                      2 Out of the 3 south african i work with left the country with nothing leaving nice houses behind to come to england. To live in a concil house because they had been shoot or rapped to me this is not a countryi would viset
                      1. I did not say it was his/her fault, I questioned why anyone would let a women work in such a place, at night in such an area!

                      2. May be you'd like to reconsider just how safe the UK is following Tuesdays events? As far as I am aware such an event has not happened in such circumstances in South Africa.

                      Crime happens everywhere! At least here you are usually going to be aware what the risk level is simply by the area you are in!
                      Last edited by Jim.Mahoney; 4 June, 2010, 13:42.

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                      • Jim.Mahoney
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                        • Feb 2010
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by smirnoff_rules
                        its more dangerous to take your phone


                        Fans warned of ?410 World Cup phone bill
                        Football fans heading to South Africa for the World Cup face average bills of up to ?410 because of the "staggering" cost of mobile phone 'roaming'.
                        Buy a local SIM card, calls back to the UK are R10 per minute that's around 90p and you will not get roaming charges if someone calls you as they pick up the international charge! SMS to the UK are R1.74 about 16p.

                        If you are going to buy a SIM pack in South Africa you will need to have your Passport with you and a proof of residence i.e. your hotel booking or itinerary etc.

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                        • Jim.Mahoney
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Meat-Head
                          mate went on holliday to somewhere, put his phone in suitcase, tied it with string, and locks etc.

                          Got home unties case, 'as it was' no phone, just sim card, the baggage handlers had something like 35 items off that flight

                          You can have your suitcase "shrink wrapped" for around R30 (?2.70) at most airports. It's a real bugger to get it off without a sharp knife but it makes it a lot more secure. I'd recommend cameras and cellular phones are kept with your hand luggage and just leave some smelly underwear in your suitcase!

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                          • cloudnineuk54
                            DK Veteran
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 530

                            #14
                            them suitecase zips are so easy to open and shut without the need to worry about the locks,so no valubles should be left in them out of your sight

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                            • Meat-Head
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                              • Oct 2009
                              • 32000

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jim.Mahoney
                              You can have your suitcase "shrink wrapped" for around R30 (?2.70) at most airports. It's a real bugger to get it off without a sharp knife but it makes it a lot more secure. I'd recommend cameras and cellular phones are kept with your hand luggage and just leave some smelly underwear in your suitcase!

                              Never knew that, but how do you get the sharp knife on board in your hand luggage?? Whitout been arrested???

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