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  • gmb45
    Admin Assistant
    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

    #1

    Hydrogen-fuelled cars hit British streets...

    ...in first major trial of green technology


    It is the car that delivers the equivalent of 300 miles per gallon and produces water instead of exhaust fumes.
    This pollution-free two-seater uses hydrogen to generate the power to drive its electric motors. Thirty of the cars, which have a top speed of 50mph and a range of 240miles on one tank of hydrogen, will be available to 'guinea-pig' motorists in 2012.
    If the trial is successful the small company behind the car, Riversimple, hopes to make 5,000 of them a year.

    A prototype of the Riversimple hydrogen fuel cell car at De Montfort Hall in Leicester

    However, as part of its plans to create a 'green' vehicle for cities, Riversimple will lease the cars rather than sell them. Drivers will pay ?200 a month and then 15p a mile as part of a business model similar to a mobile phone contract.
    So far the company has spent around ?3m developing the technology and is trying to raise ?20m more to put the car into full production.

    Riversimple hydrogen fuel cell car
    Length: 8ft 6 inches
    Width: 4ft 9 inches
    Height: 4ft 6 inches
    Weight: 1/3 of a ton
    Top speed: 50mph
    Acceleration: 0 -30mph: 5.5 seconds
    Range: 240 miles
    Miles per gallon equivalent: 300mpg
    Cost to lease: ?200 a month plus 15p a mile.
    Fuel: hydrogen
    Power generation: 'Fuel cell' - hydrogen reacts chemically at a membrane with oxygen, producing electricity and water, (H2O).
    Emissions: pure water.
    Electric motors: 4 - one driving each wheel of the car.
    Gears: None. Direct drive.
    Fuel cell power: six kilowatts - or about the same as three domestic kettles or six bars of an electric kettle - but super-efficient so little energy wasted.
    Braking: Energy generated from braking is stored and re-used to save fuel consumption. This is called 'regenerative braking.'

    The two-seater urban car accelerates from 0-30mph in 5.5 seconds. If the trials are successful, the company will consider building a factory in Leicester which would employ 250 people.
    The project is being backed by relatives of Ernst Piech, the German family dynasty which founded Porsche and has a key role within Volkswagen.
    The company has now signed a deal with Leicester City Council for a 12-month pilot which will see 30 of the cars rented out to private customers, businesses, car-share schemes and local government officials in the city.
    Part of the project involves identifying suitable places for hydrogen pumps where drivers can actually refuel.
    The technology powering the car works through a chemical reaction similar to traditional electrolysis experiments familiar to generations of schoolchildren.
    The highly explosive hydrogen is not burned. Instead, the gas flows over a membrane in a special 'fuel cell' where the chemical reaction produce electricity, which in turn powers the electric motors on the wheels.
    The only emissions out of the exhaust are pure water - from the hydrogen gas reacting with oxygen to produce H20 - and a little heat.
    Hugo Spowers, the founder of Riversimple, said: 'The age of fossil-fuelled cars may not be over yet but it is surely dying.
    'Contrary to what we usually hear, sustainable, near pollution-free transport is possible, here and now, using existing technology.'
    Fuel cells work by turning hydrogen and oxygen into electricity - to power the car - and water

    The company has also received backing from the new coalition Government backing. Chris Huhne, the Liberal Democrat Energy and Climate Change Secretary, said: 'We need to harness cutting edge technology to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels if we are to tackle climate change.
    'Nowhere is this more important than with passenger cars, which are responsible for almost 60per cent of domestic transport emissions.
    'A radical transformation of our transport network is needed in the next 40 years and this is another great example of British innovation developing low carbon solutions to bring that about.'
    The car, which weighs only 350kg, can recapture its own motion energy when braking, providing 80% of the power needed for acceleration.
    Riversimple hopes that by 2015 it will have manufactured a four-seater version of the car which can be used safely on motorways and for long journeys. By 2020, it plans to have tens of thousands of cars on British roads.
    Councillor Abdul Osman, in charge of regeneration and transport at Leicester City Council, said: 'This hydrogen fuel-cell car is another example of revolutionary technology being used to meet future transport needs.

    'This is yet another step in making Leicester a better place to live, and proposals to build the cars locally if the scheme proves successful could also mean a major jobs boost for the city.'
    A close up view of the engine inside the car which uses clean hydrogen in a fuel cell rather than petrol
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  • xant14
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    • Dec 2008
    • 2062

    #2
    Originally posted by gmb45
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    Cost to lease: ?200 a month plus 15p a mile.

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    Geeez ~~~~ that... So say you do 100 mile a day(5 days), which ain't a lot, it is gonna cost you ?75 in fuel, plus ?50 rent.
    ?125 a week to look like a tw@t in a 'Look at me I am green; car.

    I will stick with me diesel, ?55 to go the 500 weekly milage... and every time I go by one of these cars will floor it to pump out a cloud of black carcinogens.

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    • Meat-Head
      V.I.P. Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 32000

      #3
      so, it's got no heater?

      So, what goes around comes around?

      So you put hydgrgen into it, or water?

      Would be more 'efficent' to have s small petrol, eg cement mixer type thing making electricity (lots of) to then make the hygrogen to then burn back into hydrogen to run said petrol engine on, then use the generator o/p to run the four motors, cool.

      BUT the engine would have to be

      a) Very cheeap as it will rot out
      b) VERY deer, made out of stainless steel

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      • dafdiagnos
        DK Veteran
        • Mar 2010
        • 315

        #4
        you'd certainly know about it if one had a hydrogen leak while driving past someone havin a ciggie

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        • chroma
          V.I.P. Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 1976

          #5
          Originally posted by Meat-Head
          so, it's got no heater?

          So, what goes around comes around?

          So you put hydgrgen into it, or water?

          Would be more 'efficent' to have s small petrol, eg cement mixer type thing making electricity (lots of) to then make the hygrogen to then burn back into hydrogen to run said petrol engine on, then use the generator o/p to run the four motors, cool.

          BUT the engine would have to be

          a) Very cheeap as it will rot out
          b) VERY deer, made out of stainless steel
          It combines two Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen atom to make molecules of H?O

          Conversely you can set up a solar panel to power the electrolysis of water (a little salt makes water conduct better producing greater yield with less energy) and wind up syphoning off tanks of pure oxygen (to resell to hospitals and industry) and tanks of pure hydrogen giving you free fuel for your car.

          Its cheap as chips, an investment of a grand will wind up paying itself back from Oxygen sales in no time, the profit can be used to scale the system up to make more and pay for any maintainance.

          The problem is fuel cells, theyre not exactly cheap due to the cathod/anode and electrolyte materials used, for high efficiency you need to use precious heavy metals like platnum, paladium and the like.
          There have been developments using super and semi conductors to achieve usable results, but as its still in its infancy the manufacturing costs would still be initialy high.

          The point is Hydrogen is cheap, abundant and entirely reusable, its the best energy source available on earth.
          Oil based products are finite and will eventualy run out, putting paid to the internal combustion engine.

          and at ?1.20 a litre of fuel nowadays its getting harder to argue against a free and clean form of energy.
          He who laughs last thinks slowest.

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          • Meat-Head
            V.I.P. Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 32000

            #6
            Originally posted by chroma
            It combines two Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen atom to make molecules of H?O


            and at ?1.20 a litre of fuel nowadays its getting harder to argue against a free and clean form of energy.
            So what your saying is the 'waste' oxygen can't be used to run a second 'oxygen' fuel car

            2003 ish a 70 KG bottle of oxygen from BOC was ?14.10+vat (word on the street)

            SO best thing you could do would properbly be to sysphon off some of your hyrdogen, and make hydro-oxygen cutting gear to sell to the gygpes
            for this thread to cut the locks off with

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            • chroma
              V.I.P. Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 1976

              #7
              Originally posted by Meat-Head
              So what your saying is the 'waste' oxygen can't be used to run a second 'oxygen' fuel car

              2003 ish a 70 KG bottle of oxygen from BOC was ?14.10+vat (word on the street)

              SO best thing you could do would properbly be to sysphon off some of your hyrdogen, and make hydro-oxygen cutting gear to sell to the gygpes
              for this thread to cut the locks off with
              http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums...ellers-124510/

              Oxygen isnt a fuel its a catalyst, its used in combination with a fuel to burn stuff, it only makes stuff thats on fire burn faster and hotter
              He who laughs last thinks slowest.

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              • Meat-Head
                V.I.P. Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 32000

                #8
                Originally posted by chroma
                Oxygen isnt a fuel its a catalyst, its used in combination with a fuel to burn stuff, it only makes stuff thats on fire burn faster and hotter

                OFF TOPIC:

                OK, so your in a building that is on fire, you have in front of you

                a) Acetelence (cutting gass) cyclinder
                b) Oxygen cyclinder
                c) Tracy Barlow


                You have enough time to rescue TWO items, which two do you
                rescue (TIP Start with Tracy Barlow)

                ON TOPIC:
                Ok valid point, see where your coming from, so just to confuse
                things even more, what a bout a propane/oxygen engine, grin grin.

                OFF TOPIC AGAIN

                Guy here in Meat-City robbed a turbo charger off something, ran it on gas, MINIMUM idle speed was something like 40,000 RPM

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                • Canker_Canison
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 3905

                  #9
                  'Contrary to what we usually hear, sustainable, near pollution-free transport is possible, here and now, using existing technology.'
                  So it will still use batteries.... Do these people know how much damage is caused to the environment mining the materials for batteries?
                  Canker

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                  • xant14
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 2062

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Meat-Head
                    OFF TOPIC:

                    OK, so your in a building that is on fire, you have in front of you

                    a) Acetelence (cutting gass) cyclinder
                    b) Oxygen cyclinder
                    c) Tracy Barlow


                    You have enough time to rescue TWO items, which two do you
                    rescue (TIP Start with Tracy Barlow)

                    ON TOPIC:
                    Ok valid point, see where your coming from, so just to confuse
                    things even more, what a bout a propane/oxygen engine, grin grin.

                    OFF TOPIC AGAIN

                    Guy here in Meat-City robbed a turbo charger off something, ran it on gas, MINIMUM idle speed was something like 40,000 RPM
                    ~~~~ me.. where is that auto translate button.
                    Tracy Barlow ffs...

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                    • Meat-Head
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 32000

                      #11
                      Originally posted by xant14
                      ~~~~ me.. where is that auto translate button.
                      Tracy Barlow ffs...
                      What i mean is in a fire the oxygen cyclinder is more dangorous than the acetelence,

                      sorry your right, 'auto translate' button please

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