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  • manxspud
    DK Veteran
    • Jul 2009
    • 1768

    #1

    Are standing seats a standing joke?



    Low-cost airline Ryanair has a plan for standing seats on its planes, but airline experts say it will never happen. Why does the budget carrier come up with far-fetched schemes which often don't come to pass?
    A standing room only ticket is, traditionally, dirt-cheap. So it's easy to see why this idea appeals to both a no-frills carrier and its bargain-hungry customers.
    Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary - fond of speculating publicly about outlandish money-saving schemes - says his airline is considering vertical seats akin to bar stools with seatbelts. Despite talk of safety testing and tickets selling for ?4 or less, aviation experts say such plans are pie in the sky.
    It's not the first time the airline has floated the standing seats idea, or indeed come up with headline grabbing schemes which fail to materialise. Charging passengers to use loos is another example, as is a so-called fat-tax - surcharging overweight flyers.
    So why announce innovations which that don't happen? It's down to Ryanair's unique approach to PR.
    "They've only got one message, which is no frills. Ryanair is all about getting you from A to B as cheaply as possible," says Danny Rogers, editor of PR Week magazine. So everything Mr O'Leary says emphasises the message that his airline strips its operations to the bone to keep costs down.


    Journalists love Michael O'Leary because he provides good quotes and good pictures
    PR Week's Danny Rogers
    Even its publicity comes cheap, given his headline-grabbing ways, be it wearing a Germany shirt to a press conference after England's World Cup defeat, or speculating about charging passengers a pound to spend a penny.
    "It's kind of genius. There were catcalls from the assembled journalists when he wore the Germany shirt. But that picture was used in all the papers," says Mr Rogers. "His message was that now England are out of World Cup, it's time to get away.
    "Journalists love him because he provides good quotes and good pictures, and compelling top lines for their stories. And it's a strategy that works for them - they fly more people than BA or Easyjet."
    So are customers likely to be disappointed if vertical seats never materialise? "No. I don't think people really want to fly standing up. They just want cheap tickets."

    How many points of contact would the seatbelt straps have to have? Across the body, perhaps securing the ankles, the knees, the head?
    David Learmount
    Which is fortunate, because Boeing, manufacturer of Ryanair's fleet of 737-800s, rules out the concept.
    "We are not considering standing-only accommodations, nor do we have any plans to do so," says spokesman Nick West. "Among other things, stringent regulatory requirements - including seats capable of withstanding a force of 16 Gs - pretty much preclude such an arrangement."
    Sixteen Gs is 16 times the force of gravity, so the seats must be strong enough - and strongly secured enough - not to topple over like dominos in the event of a crash. Vertical seats would require more reinforcing than standard seats, because the passenger's centre of gravity is higher.
    "More reinforcement means heavier planes which use more fuel, and that's the last thing Ryanair wants," says David Learmount, operations and safety editor of Flight International. "They'd end up having to reinforce the floor, and possibly the bulkheads too if the seats need to be secured top and bottom. And how many points of contact would the straps have to have? Across the body, perhaps securing the ankles, the knees, the head?"

    At least there's little risk of whiplash
    Which sounds like the Hannibal Lecter way to fly.
    "Exactly. How many passengers would be prepared to put up with that?"
    Another company said to have considered this is China's Spring Airlines, a privately-owned low-cost carrier keen to increase capacity on its Airbus A380s and further drive down the cost of plane tickets for those willing to forgo comforts such as sitting down, meals and drinks. But it has since shelved the idea as unworkable, says Mr Learmount.
    Stand-sted
    Any new design for seats must pass strict safety requirements set out by the European Aviation Safety Authority (EASA). These are broadly the same across the world.
    "These set out what a seat must comply with, such as being able to restrain a passenger during take-off, landing and turbulence, the flammability of the fabric, and g-load bearing in case of a crash," says a Civil Aviation Authority spokesman. "They test g-load bearing to make sure the seats won't topple over or come loose in an accident."

    Fees for check-in bags on Ryanair flights have risen sharply this week
    It will be up to the manufacturer to get permission for their product from the EASA, he says.
    Despite the naysayers, Ryanair's press office remains resolutely Pollyanna-ish about being able to offer passengers vertical seats.
    When pressed, the spokesman concedes Boeing has not agreed to its plan. "It is still at the discussion stage, yes. There are fairground rides that take people from zero to 4 Gs without the protection of an aircraft fuselage. If they can do that, and Boeing can help people get to the Moon, then it should be able to develop an upright seating design."
    But is Ryanair just using the press for publicity by announcing schemes that may never happen?
    The spokesman denies the suggestion - saying Ryanair didn't set out to publicise the standing seats story. It came through a TV interview with Mr O'Leary. The plan to charge passengers to go to the loo will only happen if the standing seats idea goes ahead. As for the fat tax - the idea has been dropped, he says.
    Travel expert Simon Calder, of the Independent newspaper, pours yet more cold water on plans for vertical seats.
    "It'll never happen, or at least it won't not for a long time. Ryanair has only one type of aircraft, the Boeing 737-800, and it is licensed for 189 people.
    "Even if you take the toilets out at the back and charge people ?1 to use the one remaining toilet, even if you take out rows of seats and we all stand up, and the Civil Aviation Authority agrees that's a safe way to travel, you still can't carry more than 189 people. So I'm afraid you'll still get your standard seat."
    So strap hanging on a plane looks a long way off.

    Next it will be ... no seats and no planes
  • barrowmanandrew
    V.I.P. Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 3427

    #2
    Airline food 'putting passengers at risk'




    The companies who supply in-flight food to most of the major US airlines are risking passengers' safety because of how the food is prepared, according to a new report.



    The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) found problems including cockroaches, rats and poor hygiene.

    The working conditions at LSG Sky Chefs, Gate Gourmet and Flying Food Group could lead to food poisoning outbreaks on flights, reports USA Today.
    The companies operate 91 kitchens and together supply more than 100 million meals every year.
    Roy Costa, a consultant and public health sanitarian, told the paper: "In spite of best efforts by the FDA and industry, the situation with in-flight catered foods is disturbing, getting worse and now poses a real risk of illness and injury to tens of thousands of airline passengers on a daily basis."
    A representative from one of the companies involved - Gate Gourmet - said that the findings would be taken 'very seriously'.


    rumours have it, that ryanair are considering charging extra for these "services"


    basic foodposoining will be relatively cheap, however more serious cases will be charged accordingly....

    getting a dose of "the sh*ts" will be free, however you will get fleeced everytime you need to run to the ~~~~in toilet...

    furthermore ryanair have announced "We have no plans to include rats or cockroaches in our meals at this stage"
    a statement has been released explaining " All cockroaches and rats are too busy running the ~~~~in company......"

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    • davieboy.rfc
      DK Veteran
      • Apr 2008
      • 667

      #3
      :
      Originally posted by barrowmanandrew
      Airline food 'putting passengers at risk'




      The companies who supply in-flight food to most of the major US airlines are risking passengers' safety because of how the food is prepared, according to a new report.



      The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) found problems including cockroaches, rats and poor hygiene.

      The working conditions at LSG Sky Chefs, Gate Gourmet and Flying Food Group could lead to food poisoning outbreaks on flights, reports USA Today.
      The companies operate 91 kitchens and together supply more than 100 million meals every year.
      Roy Costa, a consultant and public health sanitarian, told the paper: "In spite of best efforts by the FDA and industry, the situation with in-flight catered foods is disturbing, getting worse and now poses a real risk of illness and injury to tens of thousands of airline passengers on a daily basis."
      A representative from one of the companies involved - Gate Gourmet - said that the findings would be taken 'very seriously'.


      rumours have it, that ryanair are considering charging extra for these "services"


      basic foodposoining will be relatively cheap, however more serious cases will be charged accordingly....

      getting a dose of "the sh*ts" will be free, however you will get fleeced everytime you need to run to the ~~~~in toilet...

      furthermore ryanair have announced "We have no plans to include rats or cockroaches in our meals at this stage"
      a statement has been released explaining " All cockroaches and rats are too busy running the ~~~~in company......"
      just back from spain 2 days flew with ryainair they tried to charge my with euros to take her back cushion on the plane with her as she already had a bag the cheeky ~~~~ers nothin would surprise me with that company..

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