Gurkha hacks off taliban fighters head

[Cronus]

72 Susan Boyle's stripped and ready for action.

The old pork pie and pensioners snatch joke springs to mind!

Not much of a reward is it?

[elli]

I think it's terrible that the Taliban soldier was dead when beheaded.

thats scarey

[Cronus]

thats scarey

Is it?

I'm not sure Ken Bigley's family would agree with that sentiment!

[z786]

in this thread you people use the word "muslims" and generlize about these 72 virgins, suicide bombers etc

you are no better then any other racist group out there
you do not knw the religion, but rather than educate yourself about it, you choose to slander it over and over again with these ridiclous rumors you hear

please show me where you have read this stuff about the 72 virgins and make sure its a authentic islamic source rather than some idiot making this shit up and passing it on as gospel

[barrowmanandrew]

what ridiculous rumours??
we are no better than any other racist group??? , to which group are you referring??? the taliban??? their about as racist as they come...

72 virgins

[chroma]

please show me where you have read this stuff about the 72 virgins and make sure its a authentic islamic source rather than some idiot making this shit up and passing it on as gospel

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a"

Exerpt directly from the Sunan al-Tirmidhi specificaly "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah" or hadith 2687
Its part of the six major Hadith collections if your looking for some kind of legitimacy here.

TAUGHT TO SCHOOLKIDS The same way catholic schools over here teach the gospels you know those right? mathew mark luke and john, hold the bus till i get on.
Hadith are pretty much he new testament of the Muslim faith, The preachings of Muhammad instead of the preachings of Paul, Mark etc. The Quran would be simmilar to the Old tesement. Preached at from an early age.
Exactly the same as Jewish kids are preached the torah for their ethics, Or LDS kids in Ohio get taught the preachings of Joseph Smith

Have a dig around theyre awfully dry reading, like mitzvot ro if youve read the old tesement and can remember clawing slowly through Leviticus or the part where moses gets on to his commandments in Deuteronomy.

Theres even analogues in the Sri Isopanisad which ive also had the massochism to read through (hey some krishna forced it into my hand and wouldnt leave me be in glasgow till i said gouranga, it sat on my bookshelf for years before i finaly thumbed my way through it)

I particularly love the part where your asking for a point on religion that isnt from some guy making shit up, every religious text EVER is based purely on someones interpretation, none of them any more plausable than Joe Smith getting told about golden plates with ancient prophecies buried under a hill in new york.
Thats never stood in the way of Jihad, crusades and war though has it?

Ive studied a lot of different religions, have friends who actively worship them and even helped an ex girlfriend study through her batchelours in theology (now theres as useless a degree as you can possibly get)

Its all bullshit to me, but i know my onions in this case.
Ive got my money hedged on it being turtles all the way down

[Gumbo]

what ridiculous rumours??
we are no better than any other racist group??? , to which group are you referring??? the taliban??? their about as racist as they come...

72 virgins

Holy $hit, and there was I thinking it was something made up by the taliban to recruit hard up terrorists.

[Canker_Canison]

For those that have yet to see him.... Walter on suicide bombers

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNyQsH7ilIM&feature=fvst]YouTube - Jeff Dunham - Walter on Suicide Bombers[/ame]

And, of course, Achmed the dead terrorist.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go]YouTube - Jeff Dunham - Achmed the Dead Terrorist[/ame]

[z786]

first of all, that link you posted is bullshit

the hadith is only written to explain further what is written in the Quran

if it isnt written in the Quran, it isnt in our religion

many hadiths have known to be forged to look authentic

the rule we use is like said above

if it isnt written in the Quran, it isnt part of our religion

and you mr canison, any1 can copy paste

but you find the 72 virgins in the REAL Quran and not a wiki version and then talk 2 me

[chroma]

first of all, that link you posted is bullshit

Ive yet to see anything that proves the contrary.

the hadith is only written to explain further what is written in the Quran

As is the Kaballah in Judaism, The New Testement in Christianity

if it isnt written in the Quran, it isnt in our religion

Theres nothing written into the bible (either old or new testements) that spcifies anything about a Pope, nothing that can feasibly explain the set up of bishops, cardinals, deacons, ministers.... yet they exist in our religion.
Its funny just how OPEN TO INTERPRETATION religious scripture really is. Just how fluid it becomes when muddled in with language that changes over time.

While it is true in that the quran doesnt specify how many houris there will be it does make concessions towards them as a reward:

52:17 ; Truly the God-fearing will be amid gardens and bliss,
52:18 ; rejoicing, delighting, in what (bi-mā relates to the verbal action) their Lord has given them, and [that] their Lord has shielded them from the chastisement of Hell-fire (wa-waqāhum rabbuhum ?adhāba?l-jahīmi is a supplement to ātāhum, ?[what He] has given them?, in other words, [rejoicing] in their having been given [this reward] and shielded [from Hell-fire]).
52:19 ; And it will said to them: ?Eat and drink in full enjoyment (hanī?an is a circumstantial qualifier, that is to say, muhanna?īna) [as a reward] for what (bi-mā: the bi- is causative) you used to do?.
52:20 ; [They will be] reclining (muttaki?īna is a circumstantial qualifier referring to the concealed subject of God?s words fī jannātin, ?amid gardens?) on ranged couches, [arranged] one next to the other, and We will wed them (zawwajnāhum is a supplement to jannātin, ?gardens?, meaning ?We will couple them?) to beautiful houris, of wide and beautiful eyes.
52:21 ; And those who believed (wa?lladhīna āmanū, the subject) and whom We made to be followed (wa-atba?nāhum: a variant reading has wa?ttaba?athum, ?and there followed them?, as a supplement to āmanū, ?who believed?) by their descendants (dhurrīyātihim: a variant reading [for this plural] has dhurrīyatuhum), young and old, in faith, on the part of the older ones and on the part of the parents in [their] young ones (the predicate [of the subject above] is [the following, alhaqnā bihim), We will make their, mentioned, descendants join them, in Paradise, so that they are in the same degree [of reward], even though they might not have performed the same [meritorious] deeds as them [to deserve this equal status], a way of honouring the parents by having their children join them [again]; and We will not deprive them (read alatnāhum or alitnāhum), [We will not] diminish [them], of anything (min shay?in: min is extra) of their deeds, in order to add it to the deeds of their children. Every man is subject to what he has earned, of good or evil deeds, and will be requited for evil and rewarded for good.

Or if you want to delve further look into the passages from 48 and 49 of surat as saffat or book 37.

Surat af rahman (book 55) verse 56:
In them, in the two gardens and what they comprise of upper chambers and palaces, are maidens of restrained glances, [restricting] their eyes to those spouses of theirs from among [either] the men or the jinn who are reclining, [maidens] who have not been touched, [who] have not been deflowered ? and these [maidens] are [either] houris or women of this world who [will] have been created [anew], by any man or jinn before them.

The Quran says an awful lot about he provisions of virgins in the afterlife, it just leaves the number open to interpretation, it almost always however emphisises the PLURAL meaning it certainly references more than one.

There are more still, the tome is entirely laced with references, you can borrow my Quran if you like or discuss it with any Imam you like.

As for the whole Gank an infadel get a virgin thing, i suspect that concept to be rooted from the Surat An-Naba verses 31 onwards :
Truly for the righteous there will be a triumph, a place of triumph, in Paradise: gardens, orchards (hadā?iqa is either a substitution for, or an explication of, mafāzan, ?a triumph?) and vineyards (wa-a?nāban is a supplement to mafāzan, ?a triumph?), and buxom houris (kawā?ib is the plural of kā?ib) of equal age (atrāb is the plural of tirb)

Ive discussed the quran at length with a local imam, the torah (and even kabalah interpretations) with a local rabi, protestant and catholic interpretations (see theres that word again) of the bible with ministers and priests respectively.
We have no easily accesible local buddists, sikhs or taoists for me to talk with round these parts or id do the same with them. if only because im interested in a subject which seems to control such a massive population of idiots around the world.

Its a subject i can happily talk about and quote on for hours.

[z786]

you cant quote, just copy and paste

the kabballah is jewish black magic as you of all people should know (being a freemason)

im fed up of talking 2 brick walls, i dont have 2 prove anythin 2 any1

lets just meet on the day of judgment and discuss it then

[chroma]

you cant quote, just copy and paste

the kabballah is jewish black magic as you of all people should know (being a freemason)

im fed up of talking 2 brick walls, i dont have 2 prove anythin 2 any1

lets just meet on the day of judgment and discuss it then

I fail entirely to see where the kaballah has anything to do whatsoever with freemasonry.
I must have missed all the meetings about that particular subject.

Its you thats jumped up to fight the crusade against ignorant racists such as myself, because after all if i hold an opinion in my homeland then i must of course be some dumb, hick, bnp supporting, klan member and when shown anything to the contrary your only response is a pitiful "i dont have 2 prove anythin 2 any1"

Its hardly the way for anyone to educate the ignorant racist masses you so profess to loathe.
Of course i copied and pasted, you specificaly asked me to do so, by asking me to show you evidence from the actual Quran from an authentic islamic resource, or would you rather i just made it all up in my own terms? this would neither be directly from the quran nor from an authentic islamic source.

im entirely openminded about all this and more than willing to accommodate other points of view, so long as they're well formed points of view that can be put forth as such.

"anyone whom believes anything other than i do is an uneducated racist" is not a well rounded opinion and therefore does not fall into this category.

You do have things to prove, the mere fact that you forwarded your opinion in illustrates this, had you nothing to prove you would not have felt the need to post in the first place, however when called out on your view you resort to typical fingerpointing.

Ive read and educated myself on the subject, formed my own opinion and can back it up to the hilt. It differs from yours and im entirely fine with that, but to suggest mines is wrong without pointing out how to see things differently falls short of the mark of being a valid argument.

Ive shown you why i formed the opinion ive came to without resorting to petty namecalling and sensationalist remarks, i only ask that you do the same.

edit: i dunt speel to gud today cant brain i has the dumb, im sure there are other errors but meh.

[Canker_Canison]

Given that I don't believe in heaven, hell, the afterlife, etc.. I have no fear for my 'soul' that doesn't exist. I live my life without the guidance of any fabled book.

I treat people in the same mannor they treat me. I work for a Banglideshi muslim & batter his head all the time. He just can't understand how I go through life without the direction or belief in a higher being.

As I've said before, the majority of Islamic followers are just like everybody else. It's the extremists that are causing the intollerence in the country.

To be honest it's not even the extremists, it's the western governments constantly putting the fear of terrorist threats in the public eye. This then gives the other extremists like the BNP something to poison the minds of white brain dead morons with.

[Meat-Head]

I fail entirely to see where the kaballah has anything to do whatsoever with freemasonry.
.

Say something if offending anybody:-

Is it just the Freemansons that show each other there left nipple and
have funny handshakes?

OFF TOPIC:

Had some STONE masons in one day, from out of town, wrote on the top of their invoice

"XXXXX FREE masons Ltd" then stapled a M-H-M bussiness card over it

[schmee]

We shouldn't generelize, some extermists Muslims beheaded not only foreign hostages but Muslims as well (look what is happening in Iraq) therefore we should differntiate between Muslims and the minority exterimists who are called Muslims. Hitler was war maniac so should we look at all Chrsistians as Hitler? Remember the American guy who blew a bomb in Oklahoma in mid 90s and was later executed, he was Christian but that doent say this idiot represents Christian values.

I think you will find that this legen that you call an 'idiot' would not care much for Christian values as he is probably a Hindu or Buddhist, having fought with them and knowing that they follow orders to the dot, he probably thought its was the best way of identifying this scum bag. Show some respect.