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  • lfc4life
    Sports Nutter
    • Dec 2008
    • 3200

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    Damian Green says burka ban would be 'un-British'

    Banning the wearing of the Islamic full veil in public would be "un-British", the immigration minister has said.

    Damian Green told the Sunday Telegraph trying to pass such a law would be at odds with the UK's "tolerant and mutually respectful society".

    It comes after Tory MP Philip Hollobone introduced a private members' bill which would make it illegal for people to cover their faces in public.

    Last week French MPs voted to ban the wearing of full face veils in public.

    The bill, which was overwhelmingly approved by France's lower house of parliament, must now be ratified by the Senate in September to become law.

    If it is passed, it will be illegal to wear garments such as the face-covering niqab or body-covering burka, anywhere in public.

    Several other European countries including Spain, the Netherlands and Belgium have debated regulating the use of face covering garments.

    But Mr Green said such a move was "very unlikely" to be copied in the UK.

    "Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do," he told the Sunday Telegraph.

    "We're a tolerant and mutually respectful society."

    Catherine Heseltine from the Muslim Public Affairs Committee said MPs should not waste their time discussing it.

    She said: "Britain is a free country. We value our freedoms and we don't want MPs or the government telling British citizens what they can or can't wear.

    "How does it hurt anybody else if a woman chooses to wear a small piece of cloth across her face?

    "Quite frankly, MPs, there's a ?160bn debt; shouldn't they be busier worrying about what they're going to do about that, than a small piece of cloth that a few women choose to wear?"

    MUSLIM HEADSCARVES
    The word hijab comes from the Arabic for veil and is used to describe the headscarves worn by Muslim women. These scarves come in a myriad of styles and colours. The type most commonly worn in the West is a square scarf that covers the head and neck but leaves the face clear.
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    The Environment Secretary, Caroline Spelman, agreed saying: "I take a strong view on this, actually, that I don't, living in this country, as a woman, want to be told what I can and can't wear.

    "That's something which both myself and (community cohesion minister Baroness) Sayeeda Warsi have argued very strongly, that one of the things we pride ourselves on in this country is being free - and being free to choose what you wear is a part of that.

    "So actually banning the burka is absolutely contrary, I think, to what this country is all about."

    'Aggressively secular'

    Mr Green said there were occasions when it was important to be able to see someone's face, but insisted that "it's very unlikely and it would be undesirable for the British Parliament to try and pass a law dictating what people wore".

    The minister said that, unlike France, the UK was not "aggressively secular".

    It comes after fellow Conservative MP Mr Hollobone, who put forward the Face Coverings (Regulation) Bill, declared that he would not meet burka or niqab-clad women at his Kettering constituency surgeries unless they lifted their veils.

    He has previously described the burka as "offensive" and "against the British way of life".

    Shadow justice secretary Jack Straw, who sparked controversy in 2006 when he revealed he asked constituents to lift their veils, said he was opposed to a ban.

    The former minister said he was "seeking to generate a debate within a framework of freedom", adding that about half agreed to his request and half refused.

    hmmmmmm...... i find them oddly scary when i see them worn but if thats what these women want too do then stupid them!
    IM SORRY but i will never have any sympathy for maggie thatcher .... the bitch

    I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SAY MY HEART AND RESPECT GOES OUT ALL BRITISH AND ALL ARMY TROOPS FIGHTING THE TERROR WHICH STILL BREEDS IN THE WORLD!! YOU HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT !

    YNWA!!!

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    "People say football is a matter of life and death. I'm disappointed by that approach, I believe it is much more important than that - Bill Shankly" -
    YNWA
  • Canker_Canison
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    • May 2010
    • 3905

    #2
    "Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do," he told the Sunday Telegraph.
    Try telling that to all the innocent kids who were persicuted by the police, business owners & shopping centres that banned hoodies.
    If they tried to do that with these veils there would be an uproar from the muslim society. Yet we happend to allow the banning of hoodies without so much of a whisper from the human rights people.

    "Quite frankly, MPs, there's a ?160bn debt; shouldn't they be busier worrying about what they're going to do about that, than a small piece of cloth that a few women choose to wear?"
    That sound's more like someone who's scared of the possible debate & public support for such a ban. So she's trying to divert attention onto a different topic that's already causing arguments from people who should know better.


    "That's something which both myself and (community cohesion minister Baroness) Sayeeda Warsi have argued very strongly, that one of the things we pride ourselves on in this country is being free - and being free to choose what you wear is a part of that.
    This is a common misconception. England, the UK, is not a free country or society. The Americans have it written into their constitution that their land is home of the free.
    We do not. This is not a free country & we do not have freedom of speech. That's why Scientology is a cult & not a recognised religeon, scientology is banned in this country. Rightly so, but it does show that we're not free.
    Canker

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    • Gumbo
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      • Oct 2009
      • 88

      #3
      I'm still trying to figure out how the French managed to grow some balls whilst ours seem to have disappeared?

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      • opsmonkey
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        • Nov 2008
        • 5379

        #4
        can i walk down a street in Riyadh with a t-shirt saying "Jesus Rocks" whilst drinking a can of lager and having a rolled up copy of Escort in my back pocket..??

        No I can't..

        So why can a foreigner come to this country and demand religious rights..

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        • Bulld0g
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          • Apr 2008
          • 7158

          #5
          This is England, we have our laws and customs and we should fiercely protect them. This is a christian country and we should not allow muslim culture to rule. Everyone should be allowed to practise their religion but wearing clothes from 2000 years ago on the streets of England is unacceptable in my opinion. As said earlier, teenagers are banned from wearing hoodies in shopping centres and no one bats an eye, is this because it's predominantly British kids that wear them and it's acceptable to chastise your own but not others. I think it should be banned and i think i speak for the vast majority of the British population.

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          • radioham
            Top Poster
            • Nov 2008
            • 151

            #6
            Originally posted by Gumbo
            I'm still trying to figure out how the French managed to grow some balls whilst ours seem to have disappeared?
            Or a backbone?????????????Wake up before its too late!!!!!!Cheers Chas.

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            • radioham
              Top Poster
              • Nov 2008
              • 151

              #7
              Originally posted by opsmonkey
              can i walk down a street in Riyadh with a t-shirt saying "Jesus Rocks" whilst drinking a can of lager and having a rolled up copy of Escort in my back pocket..??

              No I can't..

              So why can a foreigner come to this country and demand religious rights..
              You know why!!!!Cheers Chas.

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              • Gumbo
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 88

                #8
                Hoodies are banned in this country, is this for real? Surely not....

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                • Cronus
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 692

                  #9
                  I've often wondered this:

                  Do muslim women who wear the burka look at nuns and think, "Look at those slags with their noses hanging out."

                  Anyway lets put it this way. In Britain we supposedly have 4.2 million CCTV cameras,whats the point of having them if all you have to do is wear a burka?

                  From what I've read, the polls seem to suggest that 69 percent of the UK want it banning. There should be a proper poll taken,we live in a democratic society after all.

                  Personally I think a ban in public should be implemented but if not then just ban it in shops and places where seeing a customers face is needed. e.g a bank or airports.

                  I can't walk through security at the airport with a balaclava on my head so why are they allowed to do it with a burka?

                  It can't even be argued its for religious purposes. It is not compulsory for muslim women to wear it,there is no reference in the Koran or Islamic tradition as to its necessity.

                  Ban it and ban it now. Ban this stupid bloody Human Rights s**t while they're at it as well.

                  If this crap carries on then we may as well rename this country 'Britanistan'



                  PS- the only problem is if they get rid of the full length burka then I can't have a w**k in Tesco anymore!

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                  • barrowmanandrew
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 3427

                    #10
                    Damian Green says burka ban would be 'un-British' Banning the wearing of the Islamic full veil in public would be "un-British", the immigration minister has said.

                    well can't argue with that, would be very "unbritish."

                    the british way is just to let them in and do what they ~~~~in like.....

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                    • lfc4life
                      Sports Nutter
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 3200

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Gumbo
                      I'm still trying to figure out how the French managed to grow some balls whilst ours seem to have disappeared?
                      me ethier but it has too be passed in there parliment in spetember i think
                      IM SORRY but i will never have any sympathy for maggie thatcher .... the bitch

                      I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SAY MY HEART AND RESPECT GOES OUT ALL BRITISH AND ALL ARMY TROOPS FIGHTING THE TERROR WHICH STILL BREEDS IN THE WORLD!! YOU HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT !

                      YNWA!!!

                      JUSTICE FOR THE '96"

                      "People say football is a matter of life and death. I'm disappointed by that approach, I believe it is much more important than that - Bill Shankly" -
                      YNWA

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                      • chroma
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 1976

                        #12
                        Originally posted by lfc4life
                        "Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do," he told the Sunday Telegraph.

                        "We're a tolerant and mutually respectful society."
                        Why then was i lifted for wearing a black outfit and ski balaclava?

                        The officers on scene where having none of that "your just being un-british now lads" twaddle.

                        Not that id considered that as part of my argument though to be honest.
                        "itsh haloaaaa...ween?" whilst three sheets to the wind was about all i could muster.
                        Still never stopped em slapping on the bracelets outside the bank at the machine...

                        I never even had any intention of robbing the joint, i just wanted kebab funds... and possibly chips'n'cheese from my acount.

                        I can see a nice niche forming with armed bankrobbers and burkad up petrol station robbers.
                        He who laughs last thinks slowest.

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                        • Canker_Canison
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                          • May 2010
                          • 3905

                          #13
                          I can see a nice niche forming with armed bankrobbers and burkad up petrol station robbers.
                          Hence forth let us spread the word of Chroma....

                          May the scum of the world all wear the sacred boot polish & burka. Remember the words of the faithful "hand over ya money, bitch. It is the will of allah that the infidel should be punished by removal of wealth"


                          After three reported attacks of chav's wearing the burka it will be the Sun or Daily Mail that starts the public pressure to ban all wearing of such items.
                          Canker

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                          • cantona7
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                            • Apr 2008
                            • 936

                            #14
                            just for my two penneth now

                            if they want to live by sharia law i've got no problem with that......~~~~ of to islamabad or afghanistan and wear your burka

                            this country has been a christian country for 2000 years (before allah was even thought of!!!)

                            i work with muslims who dress like you n me, yes they go to mosque sometimes but they dont try and ram their beliefs down my throat and with these people i have no problem,as for the cock wipes that want to come here and change the way we live our lives and call our soldiers scum and child killers when without our armed forces we would have no democracy etc,these are the same scum who happily sign on our benefits system one day and slag us of the next
                            to cut it short if you dont want to live as an enlishman/woman why the ~~~~ move to england!!!
                            if you where born here and dont like it ~~~~ of to somewhere you want to be!!!
                            back to the burka ,i find it offensive and every time i see someone wearing one i deliberately stare at them as much as i can as according to their so called beliefs (which by the way is not in the koran anywhere)they have to look away and i get a childish kick from it
                            as the old saying goes when in rome ........

                            oh yea and i am not keen on the men wearing pj's all day either !!!!
                            Last edited by cantona7; 19 July, 2010, 16:59.

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                            • Meat-Head
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                              • Oct 2009
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                              #15
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