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  • caveman_nige
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    • Feb 2008
    • 4920

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    Violence at Tory HQ overshadows student fees protest

    There have been violent scenes as tens of thousands of people protested against plans to treble tuition fees and cut university funding in England.

    Demonstrators stormed a building in Westminster housing the Conservative Party head quarters, smashed windows and got on to the roof.

    Outside, a crowd of thousands surged as placards and banners were set on fire and missiles were thrown.

    Student leaders condemned the violence as "despicable".

    They say about 50,000 people took part in a march through westminster earlier.

    A stand-off is still taking place between about two dozen demonstrators and the police.

    This siege of Millbank Tower was a violent break-away from what had been a noisy but good-natured march.

    As demonstrators crowded around the building, some masked and hooded, the mood began to turn ugly. Missiles began flying towards the large plate glass windows, with only a thin line of police, with metal truncheons raised, guarding the building's entrance.

    Outnumbered and overwhelmed, they were slowly but relentlessly hemmed against the front of the building.

    As protestors surged, a succession of windows were smashed and then demonstrators flooded into the building entrance. Security guards scattered and the handful of police inside were completely overrun. A few yards away, in surreal calm, guests carried on eating in the adjacent Pizza Express.

    Inside the building, demonstrators wearing police hats danced on tables. A protester ripped a security camera from the ceiling and danced in triumph, slogans were spray-painted on walls.

    The level of anger and the swiftness of the violence seemed to have caught everyone by surprise.

    According to Scotland Yard, 10 people have been taken to hospitals in London for treatment - including three police officers. None was seriously injured.

    The vast majority of demonstrators had been peaceful, a statement said, but "a small minority" had damaged property.

    At one point, a fire extinguisher was reported to have been thrown from the roof.

    The police have faced accusations that they did not have enough officers on duty when the violence erupted.

    The Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson said the force should have anticipated the level of violence "better".

    "It's not acceptable. It's an embarrassment for London and for us," he said.

    The London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "I am appalled that a small minority have today shamefully abused their right to protest.

    "This is intolerable and all those involved will be pursued and they will face the full force of the law.

    "The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has assured me that there will be a vigorous post incident investigation. He will also be reviewing police planning and response."

    BBC News correspondent Mike Sergeant is at the scene.

    He said protesters on the roof had thrown liquids down and a female police officer had been injured.

    At 1700 GMT he said the police had "largely taken control" of the building; he had seen some protesters escorted out by officers and the crowds outside were gradually dispersing.

    "The police have largely established control of the building. They are gradually moving the crowd back, perhaps a metre every minute." he said.

    “I am appalled that a small minority have today shamefully abused their right to protest.”

    Boris Johnson Mayor of London

    Students shouted: "No ifs, no buts, no education cuts" as the line of riot police pushed them backwards into the street.

    One of the protesters who got on to the roof was Manchester student Emily Parks.

    She said she had no regrets.

    "It shows how angry people are," she told BBC News.

    "Why is our education being cut? Why are tuition fees going up here when in other parts people have free education?

    "People have felt the need to take matters into their own hands."

    President of the National Union of Students, Aaron Porter: "This was not part of our plan"

    Demonstrators were also cleared from outside the Liberal Democrat headquarters, where a car window has been smashed.

    Elsewhere, the massive rally had passed off peacefully.

    Hundreds of coach loads of students and lecturers had travelled to London from across England for the demonstration in Whitehall, with 2,000 students also travelling from Wales.

    President of the National Union of Students Aaron Porter condemned the violence as "despicable". "This was not part of our plan," he said.

    "This action was by others who have come out and used this opportunity to hijack a peaceful protest."
    Student protest outside 30 Millbank Police in riot helmets formed a line to keep protesters out of the building

    The NUS is threatening to try to unseat Liberal Democrat MPs who go back on pre-election pledges they made to oppose any rise in tuition fees.

    Higher education funding is being cut by 40% - with teaching grants being all but wiped out except for science and maths.

    The government expects the costs of teaching other courses to be funded by tuition fees.

    It proposes that tuition fees should rise from 2012.

    The plan is for a lower cap at ?6,000, with universities able to charge up to ?9,000 - triple the current cap - in "exceptional circumstances".

    Ministers insist their plans offer a "fair deal for students".
    Question Time clash

    Earlier on Wednesday, at Question Time in the Commons, the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg had a fiery exchange with Labour's Harriet Harman over fees.

    Tory source confirms some party staff are still in the building

    He was accused of hypocrisy, because the Liberal Democrats opposed tuition fees in the run-up to the election.

    But he said Labour had brought in tuition fees - and had no policy on university funding.

    Ms Harman said Nick Clegg was "going along with a Tory plan - to shove the cost of higher education on to students and their families".

    Twice, she asked him to specify the size of the cut to university teaching grants - a figure she said was 80%.

    But Mr Clegg did not say - and instead attacked Labour's record on fees.

    "Against fees in 1997 - introduced a few months later; against in manifesto in 2001 - introduced top up fees," he said.

    NUS president Aaron Porter says students will attempt to force a by-election in the constituencies of MPs who renege on a pre-election pledge to oppose any hike.

    He said: "We will initiate a right to recall against any MP that breaks their pledge on tuition fees."

    In a speech in June, the deputy prime minister and Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said the coalition would bring in a right for voters to re-call their MP and force a by-election if he or she was found to have been engaged in "serious wrong-doing".

    Students plan to make Mr Clegg their first target - and say they will be collecting signatures in his constituency on Monday.

    But as yet, no laws have been brought in to make such "re-calls" possible.

    'Unbearable debt'

    The Universities Minister David Willetts said the new system would be fairer than the present one, offering more help to the poorest students.
    Student protest The earlier protest was peaceful

    Students would not have to pay anything "up-front" and as graduates, would only have to pay back their tuition fee loans once they were earning ?21,000 or more.

    "It's a very progressive package and I hope young people will not be put off," he said.

    "We are really putting power in the hands of students. The money will go where they choose but they will only have to pay back when they are graduates in well-paid jobs.

    "I hope at the end of this we will have a better university system than we have at the moment."

    Among the crowds at the rally in London were about 400 students from Oxford.

    Oxford University Student Union President David Barclay said: "This is the day a generation of politicians learn that though they might forget their promises, students won't.

    Also there was Johnny Davis, who travelled from Birmingham University, with 11 coach loads of students.

    "The level of passion to protest is amazing," he said.

    "It shows how people are very concerned. It seems that students are getting hit time after time.

    "This is an outrage to all students who have been told for the last decade to raise their aspirations and go to university."
    Regrettable

    Sally Hunt, general secretary of the University and College Union, said the actions of a minority should not distract from today's message.

    "The overwhelming majority of staff and students on the march came here to to send a clear and peaceful message to the politicians," she said.

    "The actions of a minority, out of 50,000 people, is regrettable."

    Greg Judge, a student at the Centre for Deaf Studies in Bristol and an executive member of the youth wing of the Lib Dems, said: "The government needs to think again and about the damage it will cause to a generation of young people if this increase goes ahead".

    Anna Tennant-Siren, a student at the University of Ulster in Coleraine, said: "I am here because it is important that students stand up and shout about what is going on.

    "Politicians don't seem to care. They should be taking money from people who earn seven-figure salaries, not from students who don't have any money."




    Caveman_nige's Footnote:
    I guess its time people started standing up themselves in this country again, we have become a nation of followers who had given up on their right to complain and when not listened to make sure they are heard. Our much loved french neighbours have no problem in showing their feelings.

    People should not be afaid of their government, their government should be afraid of them.

    MPs have a cushy life and some make it even better by abusing their expenses, i am sure they all have private healthcare, they have the ability to vote for their level of their own pay rise. They have had their education and are well paid so putting their own children through university is not going to hurt. For the majority of us this 'university for all' is being taken away.. Lets not forget that what the current government are doing was started by Labour.

    I am well aware that our country is in massive debt and that Labour are still in denial about this.. Yes we need cuts but some of the decisions are bad and people need to start saying something about it.. God knows why Cameron recently boasted that the UK are doubling our overseas aid budget, wtf for, the UK is broke, fix this country first you pathetic bunch of polititans..
    Last edited by caveman_nige; 11 November, 2010, 11:42.

  • bonus2010
    V.I.P. Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 1962

    #2
    Must say, I?m absolutley appauled by the minority of students who caused vandalism and endangered life.
    I also feel the police didn?t handle the disturbance well. I do hope the police catch the students responsible...
    and if there is any justice, these students should serve custodial sentences. In my opinion that should be for at least 5 years.


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    • bobwill
      DK Veteran
      • May 2009
      • 525

      #3
      How many hours a week do students have lectures it is often quoted as 8hours a week max for a lot of degrees ,perhaps they should have 16 hours a week lectures then they could do a degree in half the time saving 50% in fees.
      The lecturers would be against this as they would have to work harder

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      • bonus2010
        V.I.P. Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 1962

        #4
        In my time in education, I did feel that courses where deliberately stretched out. I?m sure this is still occurring today.

        If efforts where made to double the lectures given per week to reduce the course length, then I?m sure lecturers would oppose this. I remember it being suggested that courses should operate over the summer holidays as well, so as to reduce the course length.

        It has to be remembered that providing courses is a business as well, keeping lecturers and trainers in work, so proposals to reduce the course length is reducing the work for them.

        I once undertook a course where I was sponsored by the company I worked for. The course was described as ?fast-tracked?. I ended up with the same qualification in a 4 month block release, which took a state sponsored student a full year. It proved to me that it can be done.

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        • mattybhoy
          DK Veteran
          • Dec 2009
          • 1046

          #5
          Agree with that bonus 2010.

          Also re stretching courses out into the summer months - I'm sure the local economies of the university towns and cities would benefit enormously, though the lecturers would fight all the way against this happening.

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          • radioham
            Top Poster
            • Nov 2008
            • 151

            #6
            Originally posted by mattybhoy
            Agree with that bonus 2010.

            Also re stretching courses out into the summer months - I'm sure the local economies of the university towns and cities would benefit enormously, though the lecturers would fight all the way against this happening.
            Yes,they might have to do a weeks work for a change!!!!!Cheers Chas.

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            • cablefreejunkie
              DK Veteran
              • Jul 2008
              • 1717

              #7
              wouldnt be at all suprised if the police had a much bigger hand in the trouble that occured in central london
              the same thing happened in france a few weeks ago and it has now come to light that many plain clothed coppers were amongst peaceful protesters trying to stir up trouble and cause a lot of strife
              you have to remember that when you read red top papers and listen to tv news its the state telling you the story and not some freelance investigative journalist,,,its always worth checking different outlets for a different slant on things as the state have a job to do and thats to keep us all hypnotized with there bullshit rhetoric
              free your mind and look outside the box
              and i dont mean the tv
              The control of information is the consolidation of power

              ?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild



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              • flyingpig
                DK Veteran
                • Aug 2009
                • 930

                #8
                The average student works an 8 hour week in Uni.. Hardly full time..... Then they have the cheek to want a year out....

                FFS - Cheek.....

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                • mattybhoy
                  DK Veteran
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1046

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cablefreejunkie
                  wouldnt be at all suprised if the police had a much bigger hand in the trouble that occured in central london
                  the same thing happened in france a few weeks ago and it has now come to light that many plain clothed coppers were amongst peaceful protesters trying to stir up trouble and cause a lot of strife
                  you have to remember that when you read red top papers and listen to tv news its the state telling you the story and not some freelance investigative journalist,,,its always worth checking different outlets for a different slant on things as the state have a job to do and thats to keep us all hypnotized with there bullshit rhetoric
                  free your mind and look outside the box
                  and i dont mean the tv
                  This tactic was used a lot in the miners strike of the 80's..

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                  • bonus2010
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 1962

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cablefreejunkie
                    wouldnt be at all suprised if the police had a much bigger hand in the trouble that occured in central london
                    the same thing happened in france a few weeks ago and it has now come to light that many plain clothed coppers were amongst peaceful protesters trying to stir up trouble and cause a lot of strife
                    you have to remember that when you read red top papers and listen to tv news its the state telling you the story and not some freelance investigative journalist,,,its always worth checking different outlets for a different slant on things as the state have a job to do and thats to keep us all hypnotized with there bullshit rhetoric
                    free your mind and look outside the box
                    and i dont mean the tv



                    Em?? must admit, I?m a person who does likes to think outside the box?.

                    So, when I saw a fire extinguisher being thrown of the top of a building, was that just some computer graphic animation?

                    I?m not convinced? All I can say is? I?m glad nobody was murdered. I would have been really worried if it were my own son or daughter that was in the vicinity of that projectile??????

                    As for the police trying to incite trouble.. I?m not convinced either. I know many, and it?s considered that if they can write their name, they?re over qualified.

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                    • cablefreejunkie
                      DK Veteran
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 1717

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bonus2010
                      Em?? must admit, I?m a person who does likes to think outside the box?.

                      So, when I saw a fire extinguisher being thrown of the top of a building, was that just some computer graphic animation?

                      I?m not convinced? All I can say is? I?m glad nobody was murdered. I would have been really worried if it were my own son or daughter that was in the vicinity of that projectile??????

                      As for the police trying to incite trouble.. I?m not convinced either. I know many, and it?s considered that if they can write their name, they?re over qualified.
                      i agree the person who threw an extinguisher from the roof was a total moron,my stepson is a student who has just started uni,he was on the protest and has told me that when that incident happened everybody below were going mad and all starting shouting and chanting for the person to stop and get down before someone is killed
                      there were at least 10,000 students on that demo,if not more,if you take 10,000 people from any walk of life you will be guaranteed that you will have one murderer one rapist one burglar one paedo one thief etc etc so its unfair to claim that the person standing on that roof throwing a fire hydrant was a disgruntled student,which is exactly how the press and all the radio outlets covered it
                      i listened that night to london radio,eddy nestor drivetime show and it was a complete joke what they were saying,and these are mainstream outlets that most people listen to,,,
                      before i forget,getting back to the reason behind the demo
                      our coalition goverment have now made sure that once again the right to a good further education at a good uni will become an elitist thing with people from lesser backgrounds never ever being able to go,this is total tory politics,,look after the wealthy and ~~~~ the rest,,personally i think uni is a waste of 3 or 4 years of your life where you could be out there working and gaining valuable experience in life but that still dosent mean that you shouldnt have the opportunity to uni
                      im afraid our coalition goverment have once again in there short time in power slaughtered the poorer members of society
                      The control of information is the consolidation of power

                      ?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild



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                      • mattybhoy
                        DK Veteran
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 1046

                        #12
                        Civil disobedience is something that I think we will see more and more of in this governments life span. Although I wouldn't advocate it - it may be the only way some things change?

                        Would the Tories have binned the poll tax if it wasn't for the poll tax demos' and riots?

                        I know something, the people of France would not put up with what this government is doing.

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                        • cablefreejunkie
                          DK Veteran
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1717

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mattybhoy
                          Civil disobedience is something that I think we will see more and more of in this governments life span. Although I wouldn't advocate it - it may be the only way some things change?

                          Would the Tories have binned the poll tax if it wasn't for the poll tax demos' and riots?

                          I know something, the people of France would not put up with what this government is doing.
                          your exactly right,the french would not put up with this and there only 30 miles away
                          and the reason why we put up with this sh+t is in my belief down to the last tory goverment we had running this country,which again was all about greed and ~~~~ you im alright attitude,,its exactly the same now,most people couldnt give two flying ~~~~s about the next person,,all they are interested in is making more money and buying a bigger car and a bigger house and a bigger tv etc etc etc the list goes on
                          the goverment know this and they know this attitude works for them as it keeps people divided,and a divided nation is far easier to rule than a united nation
                          its time people woke up and realised it,,where being ruled by a bunch of no good shysters,who have no idea what life is like outside there political bubble
                          time to rise up !!!!!!!

                          just to add,the poll tax was the best thing the tories ever done as it was this policy that finally got rid of shedevil incarnate (margaret thatcher)
                          The control of information is the consolidation of power

                          ?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild



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                          • mattybhoy
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                            • Dec 2009
                            • 1046

                            #14
                            just to add,the poll tax was the best thing the tories ever done as it was this policy that finally got rid of shedevil incarnate (margaret thatcher)[/QUOTE]

                            Love it, go on lad!!

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                            • cablefreejunkie
                              DK Veteran
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1717

                              #15
                              its your avatar mattyboy,every time i look at it i get a burst of revolution and i feel impelled to write a revolutionary speech on dk
                              nice
                              The control of information is the consolidation of power

                              ?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild



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