IS UK GOING THE COMMUNIST REGIME WAY

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• Police may ban future marches to prevent disorder

Police may ban anti-Government marches through central London to prevent further disorder and strain on officer numbers.
Sir Paul Stephenson, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Photo: GETTY IMAGES
By Martin Beckford, Heidi Blake and Steven Swinford 7:00AM GMT 15 Dec 2010
The Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, said that outlawing the demonstations was an option for the authorities but conceded it could anger protestors further.
He admitted he was ?very worried? about the effect on law and order in town centres and suburbs caused by large numbers of officers being sent to the centre of the capital.
Despite widespread criticism over the policing of the protests, and warnings that the Met?s tactics risk leading to the death of an innocent bystander, Sir Paul said he was proud of the professionalism of the 3,000 officers on duty last week.
It emerged that 182 people, most aged between 17 and 25, have been arrested in four demonstrations against state spending cuts and the planned rise in university tuition fees over the past month, with many of them described as ordinary students who did not set out to take part in riots and had not been in trouble before.
Detective Chief Superintendent Matt Horne said the number arrested could grow considerably as 80 officers study video footage.
Speaking at New Scotland Yard, he said there was a "stark contrast" between the violent scenes in Westminster and homes with crying parents and shocked young people when police arrived.
He added: ?I would urge those who turn up for protests to think about the impact this could have on their future careers.?
Asked at the press conference if the Met would consider banning future marches, Sir Paul replied: ?That?s one of the options we have got. Banning is a very difficult step to take, these are very balanced judgments.
?We can?t ban a demonstration but we can ban a march, subject to approval by the Home Secretary.?
But he went on: ?When you have got people willing to break the law in this way, what is the likelihood of them obeying an order not to march or complying with conditions on a demonstration?
?Sometimes putting that power in could just be inflaming the situation further.?
He said public buildings and monuments in London, such as the Cenotaph, could be boarded up to protect them during future demonstrations, as happened ahead of May Day protests in recent years.
Sir Paul conceded the events are stretching his force?s capabilities, saying: ?When you are putting 3,000 people out, not just on one day but a significant number of days, the consequences of that for the rest of the organisation are quite clear.?
He said he is ?very worried? about the knock-on effect on securing neighbourhoods and town centres as hundreds of officers are redeployed to Westminster.
Sir Paul said he did not want a "paramilitary model" of policing in Britain but admitted a fresh review is taking place of whether or not water cannon should be used against rioters.
?I do not want to engage in an arms race, a knee jerk reaction to thugs and hooligans who do not know how to behave when they are accompanied by an overwhelming number who want to demonstrate peacefully.
?I am most reluctant to move towards this but at the same time we should keep everything under review.?
Meanwhile Ed Balls, the shadow home secretary, said planned cuts to the Metropolitan Police budget ? which will see it lose ?330 million over the next four years - were a "reckless and dangerous gamble".
The Met, along with the other 42 police forces, is facing a 15 per cent cut in real terms over the next two years alone.
Its headquarters became the subject of a ?human kettle? on Tuesday lunchtime, held by about 30 friends and supporters of Alfie Meadows, who underwent emergency surgery after allegedly being hit by a police truncheon during a recent protest.
Wearing hard helmets and mocked-up bloodied bandages around their heads, they linked arms and held up banners reading ?Justice for Alfie?.
The injured student's mother, a lecturer at Roehampton University, joined the protest.
Susan Matthews, 55, said: ?I think it's incredibly damaging to a country when the police behave violently because it removes trust.?
His injuries were highlighted by Simon Hardy, of the NUS, who told the House of Lords' joint committee on Human Rights that the Met?s tactics could lead to another death.
He said: "If they want to make the protests more violent, if they want to increase the police repression, it is only a matter of time before they have another Ian Tomlinson or Blair Peach at the demonstrations.
?On December 9 Alfie Meadows thankfully didn't die but someone in his situation could be hit by a policeman's truncheon or knocked over by a horse and could be killed.?

[nara]

I think we're heading for a National Socialist regime, rather than a Communist one.

[cablefreejunkie]

id argue that we are always just on the verge of a communist regime,
excessive centralised control just like the old soviet union
i would also argue the case for communism in theory,,but in reality it dosent work

[Grizz]

they can call it what they want, democractism, communism, socialism but there will always be masters and slaves. only thing us slaves can do is p1ss in their soup whenever we get a chance.

[chroma]

The techno-industrial system is exceptionally tough due to its so-called "democratic" structure and its resulting flexibility. Because dictatorial systems tend to be rigid, social tensions and resistance can be built up in them to the point where they damage and weaken the system and may lead to revolution. But in a "democratic" system, when social tension and resistance build up dangerously the system backs off enough, it compromises enough, to bring the tensions down to a safe level.
Theodore Kaczynski - The UNABOMBER.

It frightens me just how much this guy makes sense. Not that im condoning a 17yr bombing spree but if you can sidestep that then the points he makes are valid.

[Grizz]

thats an eerily concise and accurate description, makes me wonder how far away is the final tipping point in democracy -the point where the citizens have had enough of wall to wall cctv, police infringement of rights, politicians blatantly playing the game for their own profit, layer upon layer of laws, nanny states, massive taxes, corrupt judiciary, rules and regulations, health and safety, watching overpaid people idling at made up jobs, the overblown levels of airport security, government panicking their people into a frenzy so they can erode their rights, smiling and shaking each others hands while cabling their bosses about the @sshole they just met then locking someone up who tells about their twofacedness on trumped up charges. Cops kicking disabled people out of their chairs.....AAAArgghhh........
..... meldrew rant over,at least its only 2 days to the weekend, roll on

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I personally think the talking of democratic rules are just the word to be used along side police brutality and the government is encouraging the law makers to lock any one against the policy, hundreds of student charged, hundreds of anti war in prison, so were is freedom of speech you can see this is not democratic way to treat our public, you can make your own mind.

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I personally think the talking of democratic rules are just the word to be used along side police brutality and the government is encouraging the law makers to lock any one against the policy, hundreds of student charged, hundreds of anti war in prison, so were is freedom of speech you can see this is not democratic way to treat our public, you can make your own mind.

Of course there's freedom of speech, what your failing to realise is that those banged up where VIOLENT, throwing stuff at a car and tossing fire extinguishers off roofs isn't "speech" its plain and simple mob mentality violence.

Think if the shoe was on the other foot, if a family member of yours got hit by a falling fire extinguisher, or ran over by a driver swerving to avoid projectiles, would you be as keen to defend these idiots perpetrating the violence? no you would be complaining that the cops are "too light-handed" with these idiots and that its the "governments" fault.

I've been to a large number of rallys and protests (not that they have any real impact) never once been jailed for it, as soon as violence outbreaks i bounce though, i refuse to get caught up in it. It only serves to blemish a cause and give activists a bad name.

There will never be anything like a real communist or democratic regime, its imposable as far as capitalism is concerned. Only stooges get elected and have done for centuries under the guise of a free and open political system.
To run in an election you need media coverage, to get media coverage you need financial backing, to get financial backing you need to follow others agendas. An honest politician never stands a chance, no one is philanthropic enough to back them.
Is it any wonder that the powers that be work towards furthering corporate agendas? after all its the corporations that put people in power and control the strings.

As for suggesting that a ban on protesting is a communist ideal? Nothings further from the truth, Fascist, Autocratic, Dictatorial yes. Communist. no.
Te average man on the street doesn't have a clue about the differences, he's been told for years that communism is a bad thing simply because its vilified by corporations as the only real alternative to the capitalist ideal.

Communism is simply democracy without a capitalist free market, people still get elected, policies still get made, laws are still upheld, all that really changes is that money is removed, meaning big business has no more power to elect whom hey see fit. Theres never been a REAL communist government anywhere in the world, it cant exist so long as money still does.

[Grizz]

i reckon our freedom of speech is well on the way out, try saying the word b0mb on a plane, see what happens. try calling an irish traveller a tinker(which in times gone by was a very useful occupation!). Or a baton wielding cop a pig while he's pounding your head. last year the irish government brought out a blasphemy law, so if i say or write in public "Jessy Chianti!!" i could be down E25,000.

in fact im now going to have to change that name just in case, how f()cked up is that?

Jesus protect me.......(that was a prayer Big Bro!)

[Meat-Head]

*CONFUSED* - So at the end of this thread, will there be people with a wheelbarrow full of money, just to buy a loaf of bread?

[chroma]

*CONFUSED* - So at the end of this thread, will there be people with a wheelbarrow full of money, just to buy a loaf of bread?

I'll trade you 57 deutschmarks for a shekel!

[badapple]

*CONFUSED* - So at the end of this thread, will there be people with a wheelbarrow full of money, just to buy a loaf of bread?

Think its already happening Meaty-Head,
Took this picture of my m8 just going to the local bakers the other day.

[Canker_Canison]

There's one big oversight here....

We, in the UK, do not have freedom of speech. We have no 1st amendment like our American brothers. But like all things it's a two edged sword...

With no freedom of speech the extremists can be controlled. A BNP activist can be removed from the streets for shouting out their beliefs to the passing public.
But with the same stroke, the government can silence opposition to their plans.

The difference is in the execution. They do not actively remove the opposition as they would the extremist. This is where the press comes in. Smear campaigns, slandering reports, dirt digging....they will use everything except the heavy handed silencing acts the law can bring down.

They do this for one reason only. As long as the population believe they have freedom of speech, they will continue to believe what they read.

[Meat-Head]

Think its already happening Meaty-Head,
Took this picture of my m8 just going to the local bakers the other day.

Thought that was GMB45 going to Morrisons for the Stella offer, thanks for pointing that out.

[chroma]

There's one big oversight here....

We, in the UK, do not have freedom of speech. We have no 1st amendment like our American brothers. But like all things it's a two edged sword...

International Human Rights Instruments disagree
This covers the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (19) Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

and specificaly art10 of the ECHR Article 10 ? Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary

See also the Human Rights Act 1998.