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  • gmb45
    Admin Assistant
    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

    #1

    No hope of relief from petrol rises:

    Treasury ?won?t sacrifice cash to help drivers?


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    Warning: Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary dismissed suggestions that ministers were drawing up comprehensive measures to help drivers cope with record pump prices

    Families were warned last night there was little prospect of a lifeline on fuel prices ? despite repeated pledges from David Cameron.

    Treasury Chief Secretary Danny Alexander said his department would not *?sacrifice income willy nilly? to help out motorists.

    And he poured cold water on suggestions that ministers were drawing up comprehensive measures to help drivers cope with record pump prices.

    He did reveal, however, that the Treasury was pushing ahead with a pilot scheme to offer discounted fuel to rural communities in the Scottish Highlands, which could extend to his own constituency of Inverness.

    Mr Alexander appeared to rule out delaying the planned duty rise in April, which together with rising oil prices and inflation could put as much as 8p on a litre of fuel.

    He suggested the plan championed by David Cameron for a ?fair fuel stabiliser? was beset with difficulties.

    He said Treasury officials would give the proposal ?due consideration?, but warned: ?It?s a complicated idea and it?s difficult to see precisely how we achieve it.?

    Currently, the average cost of unleaded petrol is around ?1.28 a litre, of which 58.95p is fuel tax and a further 21.35p is VAT. The fair fuel *stabiliser would mean that if the price of oil rises, then the duty levied by the Government would fall to reduce the pain for motorists.

    But last night Mr Alexander said the need for the Treasury to protect its revenues was more important than helping out drivers.

    The Liberal Democrat minister said: ?The biggest economic problem facing every household is the deficit. If we come off that deficit reduction plan, the risk to the country would be truly huge, so that has to be the first priority.?

    His comments came as Energy Secretary Chris Huhne acknowledged that rising fuel prices could ?potentially have devastating effects on employment? ? but said fuel duty should be kept high in the long term for environmental reasons.

    Experts forecast that the Treasury will rake in a ?2billion windfall this year as a result of soaring oil prices.


    Motorists are having to pay record prices at the pumps after a government fuel duty was added ahead of the VAT rise

    But Treasury officials claim this ignores the depression to the wider economy, and so tax revenues, caused by higher oil prices.

    Mr Alexander said the Office for Budget Responsibility found that when oil prices rise ?revenue is lost in other areas?.

    In recent days the Prime Minister has relaunched the idea of the fuel stabiliser ? a key pre-election Conservative pledge.

    On Friday Mr Cameron said he believed the Treasury did receive ?extra revenue? when oil prices rise, adding: ?When that happens we should share some of that benefit with the hard-pressed motorist.?

    Downing Street has said that Mr Cameron recognises the difficulties with the scheme but is determined to give motorists a ?fair deal?.

    But Labour?s transport spokesman Maria Eagle said the Government was in ?chaos and confusion? over the issue.

    Mr Alexander?s rural communities project would see fuel duty cut by 5p a litre in parts of the Highlands where, he said, residents have no choice but to travel by car.
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  • Meat-Head
    V.I.P. Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 32000

    #2
    WHOA HANG ON:-

    There is a thread and a subforum forum for everything, although this isn't one of them or should that read 'time and place for everything'?

    Anyway, ok so cut this, cut that, increase this tax, increase that tax etc etc.
    OK, so that's assume the goverment are right in saying this.

    Sake of argument, we after say 1 year as a country are say 250,000,000,000 in the red. Does the fuel and vat drop in price?

    OFF TOPIC:-

    With local goverment, think this includes skools, sake of argument your anal budget for the year is 5000, if you say only spend 3000 next year you get 3000.
    If you spent/waste 5000 on things, taxis, hotels, etc you get your 5000

    Should that not be you spend 5000, next year you get 3000?

    Next thread, your going to be telling us the plates for the royal wedding - who is paying for that? - are going to be made of china - in china!
    Historic Stoke-on-Trent Potteries Snubbed As 23 year old Chinese Pottery Company Wins Contract For Royal Wedding Tableware | Pits n Pots

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    • Canker_Canison
      V.I.P. Member
      • May 2010
      • 3905

      #3
      fuel duty should be kept high in the long term for environmental reasons.
      What environmental reasons?

      It has been said many times over that this only hurts the working class & those on a low income. People still have to get to work, if they can't afford to get there, what happens?....

      The Nissan Leaf, heralded as the 'Economical & Environmental' building block for the motor industry....is a sham. It's over priced, you have to lease the batteries from Nissan due to the ultra high costs. That & mining the materials for battery production is far more damaging to the environment than burning fossil fuels... But then, it's not our country that has to cope with this mining!!
      Add to this that over 80% of our electricity is generated by coal power stations. At low usage times the national grid turns off the nuclear, wind and other 'eco' power sources due to the running costs. We will be using coal for electricity for a very long time to come.

      But this is the direction the government want us to go in. Not exactly environmentally friendly.

      So where does the idea that increasing the price of petrol & diesel prices will help the environment come from?
      Canker

      "Animal, vegetable or mineral... I'll do anything, to anything, with anything"
      - The Baby Eating Bishop of Bath & Wells
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      • Meat-Head
        V.I.P. Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 32000

        #4
        Originally posted by Canker_Canison
        What environmental reasons?

        It has been said many times over that this only hurts the working class & those on a low income. People still have to get to work, if they can't afford to get there, what happens?....

        ?

        GO TO GO.

        off topic: BUT RELEVENT

        A electric fire is 3 times inefficent than burning a bucket of coal.

        HTH

        Meat

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        • Canker_Canison
          V.I.P. Member
          • May 2010
          • 3905

          #5
          My head's not feeling right today, so it now matches the rest of my body. Please forgive me if I lose my way with the following rant.


          We get this 'Green' crap shoved down our throats everyday, be it adverts or news items. As yet there's no real evidence to support that if we lower our output of CO2 drastically, that things will get better.
          Now I'm not saying that we should just continue to burn up fossil fuels without looking for a replacement. But we should be told the truth.

          Petrol & diesel are more efficient as a fuel to power cars than any other fuel source. This is when you take into account all the mining, processing, storage and energy used when compared to other forms; such as batteries & bio fuel.

          We are told that gas turbine power stations are far more environmentally friendly than coal fired stations. Yet they are mainly used when the adverts come on during the popular soaps.

          When demand for electricity drops, they turn off, or turn down, every other form of power production...except coal fired stations.
          So we do the right thing & fit energy saving bulbs, don't leave things on standby, buy more efficient appliances & insulate our homes...just to reduce the 'carbon footprint' our homes are responsible for.
          But it makes no difference to the amount of carbon produced. All it does is lower our bills, it has no impact on improving the environment. Yet the government will be taxing businesses on their carbon emissions/footprint, without even understanding how the power industry works. Or, more likely, using the power of 'Green' to extort more money from the nation.

          Now, I can't find figures on how long it would take a Toyota Prius to cover the environmental cost in producing it's batteries through the lower fuel usage. Neither can I find details on how long it will take to charge a Nissan Leaf to 100%, or the cost involved in doing so. It would appear that Nissan are not releasing details on either of these issues....probably for a reason.

          What is clear is that if people really want to go 'green' & save the environment. They will have to do a lot of reading & not just listen to what the government is telling us.

          The sooner people push for the truth in these wonderful 'green' & 'environmentally friendly' products, the sooner the world will come to realise the dream has been a tax hell.


          My mind is wandering again.....need the big pill today.....
          Canker

          "Animal, vegetable or mineral... I'll do anything, to anything, with anything"
          - The Baby Eating Bishop of Bath & Wells
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          • Grizz
            DK Veteran
            • Sep 2010
            • 1598

            #6
            Your head should not be right more often, mate, thats the best post i've read this year on the internet. im sick to the teeth of listening about what i should do for the environment.
            theres more petrol wasted by people driving to the recycling centre than can ever be recovered by recycling.
            Dont believe the hype!!!

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            • Meat-Head
              V.I.P. Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 32000

              #7
              Originally posted by Grizz
              im sick to the teeth of listening about what i should do for the environment.
              NO OFFENSE, but the enviroment is ~~~~ed, we need a new one, got one round the back, 1 owner from new, $2000 - cash only.

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              • Grizz
                DK Veteran
                • Sep 2010
                • 1598

                #8
                If its got dandelions growin' around the wipers and moss on the back window you got a deal . thats green enough for me!

                Last edited by Grizz; 18 January, 2011, 21:29. Reason: added a pic

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