British scientists 'invent artificial petrol'...

[Canker_Canison]

Ever wondered what's in a barrel of oil?



There will always be a use for oil. But the price will never drop below the production cost for all byproducts. No matter what new fuels become available.

Just so you understand the link between product & pricing, the higher up the image the prduct is... the more refining it needs, so the more expensive it is to produce.

[Wolfpack]

Oil prices are (i mean should be) biased on supply and demand. But since they deregulated trading of oil on the commodities market they are running up the price of a barrel oil on any excuse. Why does the affairs in Libya affest the price in America? We get no oil from Libya. Ever since 2008 the world uses less oil so demand is down why is the price going up. Don't you know right now there are tankers of gasoline off the coast of Europe waiting for the price to go up so the Traders in NY and london can make another billion. Don't believe what they say why the price is so high. They are full of sh*t. the chart that was posted only shows a time frame how you refine oil. it shows what they can make. they can used the barrel to make only gasoline or only kerosene. To solve the problem of runaway prices of a barrel of oil is to make Spot traders who but billions of barrels of oil on paper show they can physical possession of those barrels of oil. You will see the price drop as fast as the prez of Italy pants while looking at a teenage girl

[Liteace]

damm fine point.

Will this fuel rot out engines and exhausts - run cooler or hotter?

Lets hope it does all that & run a lot lot hoter I dont mind doing head gaskets

[Canker_Canison]

they can used the barrel to make only gasoline or only kerosene

Time to go back to school. You are so wrong it's actually worrying me. Please tell me that the rest of your country doesn't think like this.
It would explain quite a lot though

If you can tell me where all those tankers are I'd like to get some Somali friends over for a bit of a drunken party.

[Meat-Head]

in a rush, yeslooking at clanker clarkson post of the barrel this is what was programmed with at skool.

Diesel was a byproduct and had no use, some crouth came along and made an engine - he was called rudolf diesel

[thered]

just reading through and my opinion is that currently we need oil to fuel cars crop diesel and electric are not the answer

electric will only be any good if you can charge a battery in 2 minutes that will run for a week

electric is currently mainly made from fossil fuels gas and coal and is about as green as the colour brown

crops take too much land for too little output

hydrogen is the only answer to fill the oil void as it will run out one day

dont all be so assuming to think that oil companies are so against it they would still probably run the countries plants in transferring water to hydrogen and still control the forecourts

we still will use the same amount of fuel the demand wil never diminish and who is to say they will lose as much as you might think many forecourts only make pennies on a litre even with prices so high

the money is made on volume sold if your making 10p a litre on sea water you are making billions and billions

whilst the price at the pumps is sky high it is largely due to tax the oil companies do not make as much as the government and they also have to invest and spend billions and billions in drilling paying arabs ect to find the stuff in increasingly harder and harder places in deeper and deeper water

making it from water would probably make just as much money if not more than constantly deep water drilling and the threat of more and more ?25,000,000,000 disasters to clean up

the oil companies money is made on volume sold the price they actually make on litre at the pumps is not as much as you would imagine after the initial outlays and new sourcing

once you have the initial outlay for turning water into hydrogen you never need move,source or use continual outlay again for different global sites the only outlay is wages and maintenance

we are also an island we have water in abundance the jobs created can all stay in the uk

well thats is if it ever happens

[racin-snake]

as stated by Eva hydrogen is the most abundant material in the universe
H1 is the lightest atom
and can be produced on demand by electrolysis and in smaler amounts to use as fuel on demand
but it is highly flammable and dangerous so filling up your car could be a bit iffy at a fuel pump
but in tests electrolysis needs as you guess electrical input
but studies and tests in Australia have found that using tesla generators and bedini motors http://www.squidoo.com/bedinigenerator can produce electrical supply if both were combined maybe a cheaper alternative to fossil fuels could be accomplished using hydrogen
but as also said in previous threads the government makes far too much MONEY from the fossil fuels to be arsed looking for alternatives seriously

like if your selling umbrellas you pray it keeps raining

research has been hampered due to large conglomerates and global corporations either shutting the research either down
or shutting them up

to be honest if the research were funded in the way that say even the food industry is then i reckon in all probability the fuel crisis would be of minimal impact

in india for example they use methane from household waste to fuel cooking and so on not saying do it just if the thought is applied then the result is there
it all helps
but IMHO using hydrogen as a solid fuel source and other natural resources for other forms of energy would be far more the way forward
but in all this the money and power brokers cant have you having something for nothing as then where's their cut ?
but if you Google Tesla generators and Bedini motors you might be surprised as to what is actually out there being ignored for reasons of profit elsewhere
worth a look if your interested ?

all info that they do not want us to see or obtain even to the point of actually buying the company's then shutting them down
sounds like conspiracy but in actual fact its truth

also just a thought as other posters have brought up the subject
have a look at the fortune 500 company's
and then look at their tax return might be a shock folks

[Evastar]

another interesting thought on this, if they used sea water to make the hydrogen, it could also be an answer to the rising water levels due to the polar ice caps melting

[racin-snake]

but bi product of burning hydrogen is h20 also heat Eva ?
and with abundance of water a lot of use the temp is gonna be the last thing affected


sea water is full of other minerals too which clog up the electrolytic process

but fresh water with less mineralised content is far easier
maybe so the UK could be the new Saudi Arabia

[Evastar]

i thought the world was short of fresh water? they could desalinate it like they do in sicily and other places. i know we supposedly have plenty of fresh water here, but when it doesn't rain are always getting hit with hosepipe bans.

[abdeljam]

you ll will get burnt if you play with fuel cat kid

[racin-snake]

simply collect the distilled water from exhaust and reuse would be far more efficient ?
and reused in fuel cells or batteries
as only a tiny amount of water is needed at any time as exhaust emission's are heat and water vapour
desalination is costly and really unnecessary as the world has more than enough fresh water but not necessarily fit or there in processing plants to actually use as drinking water
oh and it hasn't been fluoridated yet either (one for contention there i think )

so burning hydrogen is so clean too and then ...ask why then aint it produced and used instead of taxing carbon emissions ?


ask your MP and ask your government
THEY KNOW WHY .....BELIEVE ME ! as FREE is hard to tax imagine opec getting real upset with us if we filled the car up from your tap

[thered]

simply collect the distilled water from exhaust and reuse would be far more efficient ?
and reused in fuel cells or batteries
as only a tiny amount of water is needed at any time as exhaust emission's are heat and water vapour
desalination is costly and really unnecessary as the world has more than enough fresh water but not necessarily fit or there in processing plants to actually use as drinking water
oh and it hasn't been fluoridated yet either (one for contention there i think )

so burning hydrogen is so clean too and then ...ask why then aint it produced and used instead of taxing carbon emissions ?


ask your MP and ask your government
THEY KNOW WHY .....BELIEVE ME ! as FREE is hard to tax imagine opec getting real upset with us if we filled the car up from your tap

well i think the storage part was a big part but apparantly this has been sorted by whoever in the start of this thread

the other major stumbling block is the method you mentioned electrolisis which means using electricity to make fuel which is not very efficient unless ran from wind farms in north sea and solar energy then it would be super efficient

i think sea water would be ok too btw salt water aids conductivity not diminishes it however if too salty it can produce a bye product of chlorine gas which is a bit poisonous

however this can be used for biological weapons and cleaning swimming pools so everyones a winner then

i may now write to the enviroment minister with my proposals

tesla generators indeed i learnt about him at college in fact since you mentioned i googled all i got was many scam sites wanting cash to learn the secrets of free electric just send us your money

i even googled anyone built a tesla generator? i got no answers

put it this way if it was as easy as suggested for only around ?100 everyone i know and possibly everyone on DK would have one already after all many have paid more just for a bit of free tv

imagine what they would do for a free lifetime of electric

[bobwill]

If you can tell me where all those tankers are I'd like to get some Somali friends over for a bit of a drunken party.

Tell your Somali friends just off Southwold sometimes up to 50 tankers
Oil spill waits to happen as tankers queue offshore - Saturday 05 Mar 2011

[Canker_Canison]

Sweet, I'll let them know.

Anyone know who long it takes to get from the Somalian coast to the UK in 3 small dingies, a crippled fishing boat & a canoe?