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  • Canker_Canison
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    • May 2010
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    #1

    Residential areas 'must have mandatory 20mph limit'

    Most residential areas have speed limits, set by local councils, of 30mph. But in this week's Scrubbing Up Dominic Harrison, the director of Public Health for Blackburn with Darwen argues a nationwide 20mph speed limit would prevent road accidents and so save thousands of lives.
    Road death as been described by the campaign group as "the greatest avoidable public health epidemic", in my view justifiably so.
    We need governments, both national and local, to act to reduce this preventable risk to children by introducing mandatory 20mph limits on all residential streets in the UK.
    If the speed limits in all of the residential areas were changed from 30mph to 20mph we could save thousands of children's lives.
    The evidence for this is now very strong.
    It is very hard to understand why we are not scandalised by our collective inaction.
    Saving lives A recent report by the North West Public Health Observatory concluded that 140 killed or seriously injured child casualties could have been prevented each year between 2004-8 if 20mph traffic speed zones had been introduced in residential areas (other than main roads) across the North West.
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    Most children will live and recover if hit by a vehicle travelling at 20mph whereas most risk a lifetime of disability or death if hit at 30mph?
    End Quote Dominic Harrison


    A 2008 World Health Organization report on preventing child injuries also recommended 20mph limits in residential areas.
    "Limits" are cheaper than 20mph "zones", which feature traffic-calming measures, and could be in place across the country within 12 months.
    Coupled with a strong social marketing campaign they could make a massive difference to the lives of children and adults alike.
    No driver really wants to drive at 20mph when it looks safe to drive at 30.
    But most children will live and recover if hit by a vehicle travelling at 20mph whereas most risk a lifetime of disability or death if hit at 30mph.
    The risk each driver creates and the risk to each child of having the current 30mph limit is small - but at a population level over time it becomes very significant.
    System failure We have had this evidence since 2003 when the English Health Development Agency produced a report saying there was "good evidence for 20mph zones and injury reduction".


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    We need to ask what 'cultural disease' has allowed us to tolerate this preventable risk to our children for so long - without action. ?
    End Quote Dominic Harrison Director of Public Health


    Little action was taken then because there was no one solely responsible for taking the evidence to a Local Authority Transport Committee to decide whether to act, no government minister had to say yes or no to a universal 20mph limit in all residential areas of England, no professional could be found in 'dereliction of duty' for not acting on the evidence and hounded by the media for their culpable failure.
    This death and injury to children is a 'whole system failure'.
    With few exceptions, that failure is still unresolved now, in 2011 and our children are paying the price with their lives.
    Several towns have implemented a default 20 mph limit for all residential roads, including Portsmouth, Oxford and Warrington.
    The first county to take this approach is Lancashire County Council, which announced on the 25th January 2011 that it would make all residential areas 20mph by 2013 at a predicted cost of ?9m.
    At a time of efficiencies and cuts this was a brave and honourable decision.
    Collective responsibility Although we will never know just who was saved we will know how many lives (and lifetime disabilities) were prevented.
    The Department for Transport estimates the cost of each road traffic death (police and hospital costs, lost taxes etc) at over ?1.5m.
    A 20mph Lancashire speed limit will pay for itself - even in monetary teams (far less important than human life) many times over.
    We need to ask what "cultural disease" has allowed us to tolerate this preventable risk to our children for so long without action.
    Perhaps also, we all need to extend our moral imaginations.
    We need to take collective responsibility for our part in predictable and preventable events that affect the lives of others.
    We are in collective denial of one of the biggest safeguarding risks to children.
    It is both predictable and preventable and it is time to do something about it.
    ***65279;
    I couldn't even read all of this, it just pi**ed me off so much.

    As a kid our generation was bombarded with the green cross code & road safety. The roads were a dangerous place & you stayed off them otherwise you'd be killed.

    Now it's the same generation that's constantly being harassed & victimized about pedestrian safety. The onus is now on the driver to account for their actions in an accident, not the pedestrian who stepped out from behind a parked car. Little b'stards now just step out even when they know a car is coming. The law should be changed to make the pedestrian responsible for their own actions. If they get knocked down & killed on a road, it's their own fault...not the drivers.

    I aim for the ~~~~ers. They'll only do it once, the next time I'll get 'em.... And they know it.
    Canker

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  • super jumbe
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    • Dec 2008
    • 11610

    #2
    How are they suppose to do that, put speed camera in the street, they all be vandalised!

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    • Meat-Head
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      • Oct 2009
      • 32000

      #3
      here in M/C a week before i moved in, whole area is 20MPH, which is great, cos if you have a 'load on' in your vechile it's a 'good excuse' to do 20mph

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      • msocsci
        Member
        • May 2010
        • 80

        #4
        I have driven cars, vans, trucks and big bikes for over 30 years accident free, not even a minor bump. I have never hit a pedestrian yet I consistently speed (some times more than double the national speed limit, never been done for speeding either)
        Accidents are nothing to do with speed, they are wholly the cause of a lack of concentration even in built up areas. I adjust my driving depending on conditions, I avoid getting into a situation where a child could run out in front of me and get hurt or killed by slowing down and moving into the centre of the road when I see one on the pavement. The best way to avoid accidents is to anticipate almost every scenario possible in the blink of an eye. I learnt to drive bikes before cars and had 3 years experience on the roads having to prevent me being killed by some idiot in a car/truck/bus before I got behind the wheel. I think that makes me more observant on the road than most drivers who have not driven bikes and less liable to be involved in an accident

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        • nara
          DK Veteran
          • May 2008
          • 2586

          #5
          Originally posted by msocsci
          Accidents are nothing to do with speed.
          Sorry my friend, but that is bullsh*t. You are correct about anticipation and observation, but the complacency of the rest of your post suggests that you're an accident waiting to happen.
          Last edited by nara; 21 February, 2011, 17:54.
          He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke.

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          • Canker_Canison
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            • May 2010
            • 3905

            #6
            Just to add to Nara's post...

            All accidents are caused by excess speed...otherwise the objects involved would never collide, they would of stopped.

            Yes, observation and anticipation is a key factor. But apportioning blame correctly is the biggest problem.

            Pedestrians have to be held accountable for their actions.
            Canker

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            • tshirtman
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              • Dec 2008
              • 1345

              #7
              what has blame got to do with reducing accidents, if you want to attribute blame on pedestrians then you would have to make them take a walking proficiency test.

              my biggest bug bare is cyclists, weaving in the road, or 2 cyclists riding side by side, and cyclists wearing dark clothing with no lights on at night, if you want to reduce accidents on the road I would start with these.
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              • Meat-Head
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                • Oct 2009
                • 32000

                #8
                Originally posted by tshirtman

                my biggest bug bare is cyclists, weaving in the road, or 2 cyclists riding side by side, and cyclists wearing dark clothing with DIM lights on at night, .
                Yeah, shitter that

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                • Canker_Canison
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 3905

                  #9
                  Originally posted by tshirtman
                  what has blame got to do with reducing accidents, if you want to attribute blame on pedestrians then you would have to make them take a walking proficiency test.

                  my biggest bug bare is cyclists, weaving in the road, or 2 cyclists riding side by side, and cyclists wearing dark clothing with no lights on at night, if you want to reduce accidents on the road I would start with these.

                  If the blame for a fatal accident involving a pedestrian in the road, falls on the now dead dip-shit. Other moronic w*nkers might think twice about how hard they are.
                  People will then teach their kids the green cross code & perhaps pay more attention to their where abouts in car parks.

                  I've already voiced my hatred for cyclists on another thread.
                  Canker

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                  • Meat-Head
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                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Canker_Canison
                    If the blame for a fatal accident involving a pedestrian in the road, falls on the now dead dip-shit.

                    I've already voiced my hatred for cyclists on another thread.
                    1) Here in Meat-City - lad was a total twat, decided to lay down
                    in the road whilst drunk at 1 am, car ran over his head (pug 106)
                    no idea about the tyre, but he was fatally killed, driver who to be
                    fair 'wasn't' her fault got a proper slap in the face in court

                    2) I'll race you from one end of Meat-City to the other in rush hour,
                    $1000 bet, you on?

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                    • maca
                      Mr. DK DJ
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 6310

                      #11
                      keep the roads safe drive on the side

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                      • Meat-Head
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                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32000

                        #12
                        Originally posted by maca58
                        keep the roads safe drive on the side
                        don't worry, hospital beds have internet access, so can still log onto DK

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                        • msocsci
                          Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 80

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nara
                          Sorry my friend, but that is bullsh*t. You are correct about anticipation and observation, but the complacency of the rest of your post suggests that you're an accident waiting to happen.
                          30 plus years of an accident waiting to happen, even a minor bump? Or do you think I have just been lucky since 1980. I have to admit though that my speeding is not as fast as it once was, swapped my suzi gsx for a yam fj1200 (more comfortable but slightly slower) I am never complacent on the road, in fact I can't remember having to brake hard more than twice in the last 10 years (despite the amount of non observant drivers on the road) And I pay less than ?200 a year for fully comp insurance for both car and bike and have never, ever had a claim so I must be doing something right despite my love of speed.

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                          • Canker_Canison
                            V.I.P. Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 3905

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Meat-Head
                            1)
                            I'll race you from one end of Meat-City to the other in rush hour,
                            $1000 bet, you on?
                            Only if I can adopt the new 'motor vehicle right of way' law. This would ensure you had to stick to cycle lanes...otherwise I'd run ya ass over


                            Ohhh, I can see it now.... Cars & vans fitted with huge bull bars, wrapped in razor wire. Armored glass with a grill covering. Plate metal sheets welded to the sides & heavy guage sump cover. Chainsaws on retractable arms at pelvic height...... Mad Max on the UK roads
                            Canker

                            "Animal, vegetable or mineral... I'll do anything, to anything, with anything"
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                            • super jumbe
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                              • Dec 2008
                              • 11610

                              #15
                              The way I look at it we just have more cars now and our roads are very narrow it may make a slight deferent if you are travelling at 20 mph but I would like our govt to make most residential roads one way more room to see and 20 mph because statistics has reveal that there has been less accident on one way then both ways.

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