RANGERS No 1

[satsmo]

Closed....mate.

[gazz10]

I decide when its close ,, mate .. thats why it says Moderator under my AVI

not my 'mate' , and seen posts far worse than this been neglected, and left to continue...

[gazz10]

i think if you read between the lines,what premierD is trying to point out,is its on a very good borderline of crossing the point of no return,even i can see a little bickering starting,i have seen threads closed for less.
its a shame really,because what happens in glasgow is,of interest to a lot of people.both sides and more.

i can read between lines with green glasses on and others with blue glasses on and both get different pictures, unless it in black or white then we both guessing.

so only this happens in glasgow. hmm


this is only highlighted as rangers in news about what happening in there current state of affairs. To be honest i hope this is a test case as what been said in the past and they follow it up with hammering all clubs that have been wrong doing in the past and now. Cause am sure looking down south not that pretty and several clubs watching on to see what happens up here with rangers.

[ray156]

i think if you read between the lines,what premierD is trying to point out,is its on a very good borderline of crossing the point of no return,even i can see a little bickering starting,i have seen threads closed for less.
its a shame really,because what happens in glasgow is,of interest to a lot of people.both sides and more.

[PremierD]

I decide when its close ,, mate .. thats why it says Moderator under my AVI

[gazz10]

Its getting close ......

there nothing in that post to be getting close..

or u reading between the lines, seen other stuff post on site that worse.

[gazz10]

Newco have not received any punishment. Uefa rules state clubs wishing to participate in the tournaments must provide 3 years of accounts to be eligible.
Newco are just starting their journey in life and will have a minimum of 3 years before they are granted entry.
Just as Newco's journey is beginning in Scottish football, any new clubs have to apply at the bottom and work their way up, it's not a punishment, it's just following the rules.

never said the did receive punishment 3 year ban ,, was some blue nose that stated that..



Anyway enough of the doom n gloom this thread bring. loads of great games to be played preseason inter milan, real madrid.

And Am sure the fans of the newco will be celebtrating when the neco lift the ramsdens cup..

Newco have not received any punishment. Uefa rules state clubs wishing to participate in the tournaments must provide 3 years of accounts to be eligible.
Newco are just starting their journey in life and will have a minimum of 3 years before they are granted entry.
Just as Newco's journey is beginning in Scottish football, any new clubs have to apply at the bottom and work their way up, it's not a punishment, it's just following the rules.

[gazz10]

Remember they have already been fined, had points deducted, banned from Europe for 3 years and the punishment continues.

The banned from Europe for three years was for rangers entering adminstration thats was only brought upon by ur previous owners. So look at whyte and then look at murray for that, and then look at Duff n phelps too.

[PremierD]

Its getting close ......

[skegsagypsy]

Oh dear this could take a while to answer rds, your convoluted response is a tad difficult to decipher but I'll give it a go and try to keep it civil. Here goes:

Skegsagypsy, you need to start reading the posts in their entirity and take on board all that is written, not what you want to twist into hateful arguement

I always read ALL of the posts before I respond, that way I can give as consise an answer as posible, and always avoid hateful argument, I feel you need to chill out and read again what I stated.

As has already been stated on this thread, you rarely see ground full to capacity even in the EPL. So where do you think the money comes from You may say Shirt Sponsors, Stadium/Ground advertising etc. But ask yourself why they advertise with the teams ? Why ? .......... Because they will be seen Globally on Sky !!!!

Lost me in this part of the rant, but if as far as I can see, you believe football leagues survive because of Sky then, I'm sorry, your sadly mistaken. How does the lower leagues in England get by? Spain ?Germany ? France? Italy blah blah blah

I am sorry but by your thinking even your team Celtic are a failure and are dead in the water.

Failure ? One of the most succesful clubs in Europe current League champions, I wonder how you measure success !

You have not argued the point of all teams attempting to increase revenue or avoid Tax by whatever means possible, because you know that is true

No need for me to argue any point here, the taxman will take care of that, if any club hasbroken similair rules I'm sure HMRC will be knocking on their doors soon enough, I look forward to it

So you have tried to side step the whole arguement of Scottish Football being affected by insinuating that I believe Rangers should not be punished because of a dictate by Sky

No sidestep, you made the comment, I pointed out it's nonsense, I stand by that point, Sky is a bonus not a means to survive!

Far from, as I said take on board all that I have written and you will see that I have stated that Ranger need to be punished not aspersed, castigated, ostracised and vilified.

Rangers should be treated the same as any other club, no more no less, any other club would have been thrown out of football for the cheating, bending of rules and mismanagment of finances, this hasn't happened, the institution of Rangers are getting a more favourable veiwing than any other club in simlair circumstances could ever expect!

Remember they have already been fined, had points deducted, banned from Europe for 3 years and the punishment continues.
What is now happening is that Scottish Football is cutting off it's (blue)nose to spite it's face.

See post above !


PHEW !

[rds60h]

Skegsagypsy, you need to start reading the posts in their entirity and take on board all that is written, not what you want to twist into hateful arguement.
As has already been stated on this thread, you rarely see ground full to capacity even in the EPL. So where do you think the money comes from ?
You may say Shirt Sponsors, Stadium/Ground advertising etc. But ask yourself why they advertise with the teams ? Why ? .......... Because they will be seen Globally on Sky !!!!
I am sorry but by your thinking even your team Celtic are a failure and are dead in the water.
You have not argued the point of all teams attempting to increase revenue or avoid Tax by whatever means possible, because you know that is true. So you have tried to side step the whole arguement of Scottish Football being affected by insinuating that I believe Rangers should not be punished because of a dictate by Sky.
Far from, as I said take on board all that I have written and you will see that I have stated that Ranger need to be punished not aspersed, castigated, ostracised and vilified.
Remember they have already been fined, had points deducted, banned from Europe for 3 years and the punishment continues.
What is now happening is that Scottish Football is cutting off it's (blue)nose to spite it's face.

[johnboy1974]

If any league is dependant on a cash flow from Sky to survive then I'm afraid it is already a failure, if what you say above were to be true, then Celtic & Rangers could do anything they like outside the rules and no one should touch them because of Sky, that I'm afraid is a load of old turtle poo.
Scottish football will survive and, who knows, may well even come out a better league now that a cash injection (providing the newco fans don't walk away) will flow into the lower divisions, giving those teams the opportunity to think better in terms of squad players.

Might have a good point there skegs and also if rangers start in the third think of the cash that's going to go around the lower leagues for a few years. Only hope hearts Motherwell and Aberdeen can mount a challenge to Celtic and keep the interest going in the spl.

[skegsagypsy]

If any league is dependant on a cash flow from Sky to survive then I'm afraid it is already a failure, if what you say above were to be true, then Celtic & Rangers could do anything they like outside the rules and no one should touch them because of Sky, that I'm afraid is a load of old turtle poo.
Scottish football will survive and, who knows, may well even come out a better league now that a cash injection (providing the newco fans don't walk away) will flow into the lower divisions, giving those teams the opportunity to think better in terms of squad players.

[rds60h]

If Rangers put anyone to the sword it will be a first as they've never played any teams before. They're the newest club in Scotland with no wins/loses or history.

It is only the Limited Company that has no record, NOT Rangers.
All the talk of illegal and immoral goings on at Rangers.....Does anybody really believe any of the other clubs Scottish and English haven't been doing things to increase revenue or reduce Tax ??? You are deluded if you do !!!!
And I do believe that this could lead to the end of Scottish Football as we know it.
Arguements about Sky should be looked at realistically...... Sky wants the Old Firm games and that is the major reason because without it they won't get the veiwing figures and so they won't get the advertising revenue which is just as important to Sky as the people subscribing to Sky.
On Sky subscriptions, there is also now campaigns being run for Rangers supporters to boycott Sky subsciptions and obvious sponsors of the SPL and any sponsors of those opposed to Rangers.
Now, although this would not be critical to the majority of the sponsors it would effect their income and this will affect the amount of money they have available to pay Sponsorship so everyone suffers.
The situation needs to be looked at and dealt with realistically taking into account the effect it will have on all of Scottish football, because if not then Scottish Football will be viewed with the same value of the Welsh Leagues.
Sorry if that upsets any Welsh people, but only being honest.