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  • SIMPLY THE BEST
    DK Veteran
    • Sep 2008
    • 293

    #1

    Former Rangers Football Club wins Big Tax Case appeal

    What everyone with a modicum of sense knew all along and lets hops the folk that were hell bent on calling Rangers cheats and all the other kak they were coming out with are big enough to retract their claims. W A T P

    Former Rangers Football Club wins Big Tax Case appeal


    The former Rangers Football Club has won an appeal against a tax bill over its use of Employee Benefit Trusts.

    The club, which is now in liquidation, used the scheme from 2001 to 2010 to make ?47.65m in payments to players and staff in the form of tax-free loans.

    HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) had challenged the payments, arguing that they were illegal.

    Rangers disputed the bill and a First Tier Tax Tribunal (FTT) has ruled the payments were loans that can be repaid.

    The decision was welcomed by Murray International Holdings, who were majority shareholders of the old club until Craig Whyte's takeover in May 2011.

    However, HMRC said it was considering an appeal.

    In its ruling - which was endorsed by two judges, with one dissenting - the FTT said the lengthy appeal had been heard over 29 days.

    Split decision

    "At a late stage in its deliberations it became clear that the tribunal would be unable to issue a unanimous decision. It is conscious of and regrets the consequent delay," it said.


    We are pleased with the judgement which leaves minimal tax liability and overwhelmingly supports the views collectively and consistently held by our advisers, legal counsel and MIH itself?

    MIH

    "The majority view reflects the argument that the controversial monies received by the employees were not paid to them as their absolute entitlement.

    "The legal effect of the trust/loan structure is sufficient to preclude this. Thus the payments are loans, not earnings, and so are recoverable from the employee or his estate."

    The dissenting opinion came from Dr Heidi Poon, who concluded that the money received by the employees through the trust constituted earnings for income tax purposes.

    The tribunal agreed to a request to anonymise the published form of the decision.

    In a statement, Murray International Holdings said: "We are satisfied that the tax tribunal has now published its widely awaited decision and note the contents thereof.

    "We are pleased with the judgement which leaves minimal tax liability and overwhelmingly supports the views collectively and consistently held by our advisers, legal counsel and MIH itself.
    'Ill-informed debate'

    "This has been an exceptionally long, difficult and expensive process involving not just the tax tribunal but also significant efforts to resolve the matter with senior HMRC officials on a commercially sensible basis for all parties.

    "We will therefore review the detailed content of the decision with our advisers and legal counsel to ascertain what action, if any, is now required by MIH."

    HMRC

    "We are disappointed that we have lost this stage of the court process and we are considering an appeal?

    The MIH spokesman said that while the company had "respected the privacy" of the tribunal proceedings, "a substantial quantity of confidential information" about the case had made its way into the public domain stimulating "often ill-informed debate".

    The statement continued: "This has been wholly inappropriate and outwith the fundamental principles of natural justice.

    "We therefore formally request that the relevant authorities investigate how these sensitive details have been released so widely.

    "We have instructed our lawyers to retrospectively review online and printed publications relating to the case to identify whether legal redress is either appropriate or necessary."

    A spokesman for HMRC said: "We are disappointed that we have lost this stage of the court process and we are considering an appeal.

    "The decision was not unanimous and the diligence of HMRC investigators was acknowledged by the whole tribunal.

    "HMRC is committed to tackling avoidance and it is right that we challenge the type of avoidance seen in this case."

    BBC Scotland's business correspondent David Henderson said the implications of the tax ruling were that "all those footballers who were playing for Rangers, happily being paid using these EBTs, may well get a letter in the post soon, saying 'give the money back to the liquidators, for onward transfer to the creditors'."

    "That could include Sir David Murray, who allegedly took about ?6m through this scheme."

    He said that while HMRC has lost its principal claim, because it is a creditor of Rangers, it may now recover other taxes it was not paid as the club collapsed, as a result of this latest ruling.

    Old Rangers was under the control of Sir David Murray when it began using EBTs.

    He sold the club for ?1 to Scottish businessman Craig Whyte in 2011, while the tax liability was in dispute.

    But Neil Patey, a partner at Ernst and Young, does not think former players and staff will necessarily have to return money they received.

    He told BBC Radio Scotland: "The loans are repayable at some point during the lifetime or maybe even at death, from the estate. But that is between the trust and individuals.

    "That will be at some point in the future, which is at the discretion of the trustee, in effect."

    The FTT, before three judges, concluded in January, one month before the old Rangers, now under the control of Mr Whyte, was forced into administration by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) over non-payment of tax totalling about ?14m.

    HMRC subsequently rejected proposals for a creditors agreement that would have allowed the old club to continue.

    Administrators Duff and Phelps then negotiated a sale of assets to a consortium led by Charles Green for ?5.5m.

    He has since formed a new club, now playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division.
  • Snowy79
    DK Veteran
    • Jan 2011
    • 1347

    #2
    Reading into this if the Liquidators don't ask for the money back surely they are not acting in the interest of the club. Bet there's a few people sweating now.

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    • KDC
      Top Poster
      • Sep 2009
      • 177

      #3
      Originally posted by Snowy79
      Reading into this if the Liquidators don't ask for the money back surely they are not acting in the interest of the club. Bet there's a few people sweating now.
      What club? Reading into this it is now fact that the wee tax case and Craig Whyte's non payment to Hector is what ultimately killed "the former Rangers 1872" despite the big tax case which is far from over? Which makes it even more remarkable and somewhat laughable that todays shenanigans have been seen as a victory for a club that has been widely reported to be ..dead, defunct ,deceased for long enough to sink in with RFC 1872'S former supporters, surely?.... As it has with the rest of the football and business world!
      Last edited by KDC; 21 November, 2012, 02:37.
      Neil Francis Lennon: "The only way a title is tainted is if you've won it and you cheated to win it."

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      • KDC
        Top Poster
        • Sep 2009
        • 177

        #4
        Some relevent facts to ponder...

        " The First Tier Tribunal not only delivered a verdict on Rangers tax case, they also nailed the issue facing an SPL Commission on the non-registration of player earnings. Certain HMRC assessments were upheld and some declined, as we expected. The findings:
        Some payments were taxable and liable to NIC
        Some payments were loans to players and remain recoverable and represent debts on their estates
        Non-registration of side-letters [with the SFA and SPL] was incompatible with both authorities policing and disciplinary powers
        The appeal reduced substantially the tax demand but upheld that that advances in favour of certain players are taxable and liable to NIC. So HMRC can look to recover much of the EBT outgoing from recipients, whereas the tax and NIC elements will perish with the liquidated company.
        I didnt expect the FTT to report on the non-registration of side letters but they were categorical on this:
        Side-letters, of course, had not been registered with the football authorities, the SFA and SPL. The spirit of their rules was that the whole contract terms should be registered. Suspiciously, no evidence was led as to who decided that the benefits in terms of the side-letters should not be registered. Non-registration of side-letters was incompatible with both authorities policing and disciplinary powers. For example any fines imposed on players would customarily reflect the disclosed wage. Non- disclosure would thwart the authorities powers."
        The report is anonymised and no indication is given as to which elements of the demand were upheld, which were denied, or the quantum of the demand. "
        Last edited by KDC; 21 November, 2012, 02:01.
        Neil Francis Lennon: "The only way a title is tainted is if you've won it and you cheated to win it."

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        • SIMPLY THE BEST
          DK Veteran
          • Sep 2008
          • 293

          #5
          Ah the beauty of copy n pasting other peoples opinions laughable try and stick to at least copy n pasting from a source that is not so openly biased and has reasonable merit based on the proper facts, and more importantly can accept the outcome of a perfectly legal judgement without getting bitter and twisted about it, seems even in courts of law where the verdicts are given in accordance to the laws of the land there are people who will try and deny the facts and what is staring them in the face, which in this case was what all sensible reasonably minded people knew would always happen and that is Rangers were found not guilty of cheating regarding EBT's.

          Try and move on and accept the truth and the judgements of people who are far better equipped to deal with the law than all the knuckledraggers out there who cannot accept the truth as much as it hurts there own criteria.

          "I didnt expect the FTT to report on the non-registration of side letters"


          Have the decency to at least add it's copy n pasted from a celtic minded forum and it is the thoughts of someone else not you as the above sentence would indicate.


          Four men had a
          dream

          To start up a football team
          But they had no money, no kit, not even a ball


          But they carried on
          And The Rangers were born
          54 titles
          We're Still Going Strong!!!
          Last edited by SIMPLY THE BEST; 21 November, 2012, 03:01.

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          • KDC
            Top Poster
            • Sep 2009
            • 177

            #6
            Originally posted by SIMPLY THE BEST
            Ah the beauty of copy n pasting other peoples thoughts

            "I didnt expect the FTT to report on the non-registration of side letters"


            Have the decency to at least add it's copy n pasted from a celtic minded forum and it is the thoughts of someone else not you as the above sentence would indicate.







            Four men had a
            dream

            To start up a football team
            But they had no money, no kit, not even a ball


            But they carried on
            And The Rangers were born
            54 titles
            We're Still Going Strong!!!
            Pretty self explanatory hence the quotation marks William.... 54 titles and deed!!! Never mind eh? Scotlands newest club may have its first title soon?
            Last edited by KDC; 21 November, 2012, 02:53.
            Neil Francis Lennon: "The only way a title is tainted is if you've won it and you cheated to win it."

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            • SIMPLY THE BEST
              DK Veteran
              • Sep 2008
              • 293

              #7
              "Pretty self explanatory hence the quotation marks"

              Nice try

              btw that will be number 55

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              • southpaw83
                DK Veteran
                • Sep 2008
                • 360

                #8
                Ho Hum

                It doesn't really matter any more. Severe financial mismanagement killed Rangers before this tax case even was factored in. Even ifHMRC won they couldn't get money from a dead club

                The findings support that the club withheld side payments from SFA registration, so they certainly cheated. Again, it doesn't matter. Rangers unfortunately had to fold earlier this year

                But the new club put on a lovely poppy display with a cannon on the pitch, so there you go.

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                • rds60h
                  DK Veteran
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 622

                  #9
                  Originally posted by southpaw83
                  Ho Hum

                  It doesn't really matter any more. Severe financial mismanagement killed Rangers before this tax case even was factored in. Even ifHMRC won they couldn't get money from a dead club.

                  If that is the case and Rangers are a "dead club" then why did HMRC continue ?
                  If the "Big Tax Case" went HMRC's way are you trying to say Rangers headed by Mr Green would not have to pay ?
                  BTW many other teams including Celtic utilised ETBs so does that automatically make all the other club Guilty in the way Rangers were assumed to be ?

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                  • southpaw83
                    DK Veteran
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 360

                    #10
                    Originally posted by rds60h
                    If that is the case and Rangers are a "dead club" then why did HMRC continue ?
                    If the "Big Tax Case" went HMRC's way are you trying to say Rangers headed by Mr Green would not have to pay ?
                    BTW many other teams including Celtic utilised ETBs so does that automatically make all the other club Guilty in the way Rangers were assumed to be ?
                    Precedent, that's why. In law, previous cases are used as precedent. And yes, they wouldn't have had to pay - as everybody knows and accepts. You can't chase the new rangers for the old rangers debts, duh

                    Celtic used EBTs once, and should be properly punished if misused. In fact, the season Juninho played, we never won the league, nor did he play in Europe. We also paid the tax on the contract. So, your argument doesn't hold water. A bit like the "we bought the club and history", according to Charles Green and his merry band of gullibles no football club can go bust ::

                    Again, it's doesn't matter. You will believe what you want, I'm happy for you all to do so in division 3

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                    • cgscott
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3513

                      #11
                      Anyone got a ball?




                      Dont matter i found one
                      sigpic


                      Patience is a virtue.

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                      • smirnoff_rules
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 8603

                        #12
                        pisses me off ,, if l did the tax man l would lose my house and freedom ,, the more u cheat the more chance u have of getting off in this country
                        Last edited by smirnoff_rules; 21 November, 2012, 21:22.
                        any information provided is for educational/experimental purposes only.

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                        • southpaw83
                          DK Veteran
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 360

                          #13
                          Originally posted by smirnoff_rules
                          pisses me off ,, if l did the tax man l would lose my house and freedom ,, the more u cheat the more chance u have of getting off in this country
                          Agreed

                          Not one ounce of contrition is what really irks me.

                          Rangers paid for it with their existence

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                          • Rodbouy
                            DK Veteran
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 1320

                            #14
                            Any way lads, lets not get drawn in to one of his posts. They always end up the same way.

                            Us being banned and him goading.

                            The Game is over.

                            They are no more.

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                            • rds60h
                              DK Veteran
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 622

                              #15
                              Originally posted by southpaw83
                              Precedent, that's why. In law, previous cases are used as precedent. And yes, they wouldn't have had to pay - as everybody knows and accepts. You can't chase the new rangers for the old rangers debts, duh

                              Celtic used EBTs once, and should be properly punished if misused. In fact, the season Juninho played, we never won the league, nor did he play in Europe. We also paid the tax on the contract. So, your argument doesn't hold water. A bit like the "we bought the club and history", according to Charles Green and his merry band of gullibles no football club can go bust ::

                              Again, it's doesn't matter. You will believe what you want, I'm happy for you all to do so in division 3
                              Just to answer your learned reply, there were 2 previous cases (these can be found on Contractor UK, Taxman letters to EBT users) which had ruled against HMRC so there is your precedence (also the tax owed if any is owed by the Employee not Employer) as an EBT is basically meant as a tax free loan.
                              You mention Juninho not playing in Europe and Celtic not winning the League whilst he was there, this has no relevence to taxation.
                              You also say "And yes, they wouldn't have to pay - as everyone knows and accepts. You can't chase new Rangers for old Rangers debts, duh."
                              Then why has Charles Green been persued for this particular Tax case and why has he had to pay some of the "old Rangers" debt ?
                              Would that be because "we bought the club and history" which also included it's debt ?
                              As you also say "You will believe what you want, I'm happy for you all to do so in division 3"
                              I think most Rangers fans are now happy to do so in Division 3 because it highlights the feelings against Rangers.
                              You will also believe in what you want, hence the discussion on this thread.
                              Last edited by rds60h; 22 November, 2012, 09:43. Reason: a word missed out

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