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Sir Alex Ferguson in 1988
"This isn't just a job to me." "It's a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else - dramatically."
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Thoughts on sats game both teams poor say no more.
Magic few days over there hospitality second to none btw pillas
not from liverpool people to nice and friendly.
Thank f@@k the jamesons wasn't watered down like some other place i was in.
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I am reading a lot of post in here and other forums saying Evra has used the race card before, Now if you could take the time to read this post you will see thats not the truth, and that you need to get the facts right before posting so untruths,
The truth about Patrice Evra and the race card
"As soon as the media reported that United captain Patrice Evra
had made a complaint that Luis Suarez had racially abused him during the game at Anfield on Saturday, every Liverpool fan- and even a few City fans were quick to criticise the French left back.
It seemed the allegations had to be untrue because according to any Liverpool fan with access to the internet, i.e mainly those in prison,Evra has played the race card in the past.
These past 24 hours or so since the claims were made, youd be forgiven for thinking that it was sweet little innocent Luis Suarez that was the real victim here and that Evra was some form of monster who was quick to accuse anyone who slightly upset him of one of the most heinous acts someone can commit verbally.
The reason Evra has been chastised by so many anti-United fans, is that according to legend, hes accused both Sam Bethell, a Chelsea groundsman and Steve Finnan, a barely average footballer, of being racist towards him.
Well, if thats the case then surely the Suarez accusations should be taken with not so much a pinch of salt, but maybe a fistful. Theres only one problem, EVRA HASNT PLAYED THE RACE CARD BEFORE.
The first instance the giro hunters were quick to bring up was the Sam Bethell one, where Evra had a post match fight with the Chelsea groundsman and was subsequently banned for four games. During the investigation, several newspapers reported that ***8216;United sources claimed Evra had been racially abused by Bethell. United sources did claim Evra was racially abused, those sources were Mickey Phelan and goalkeeping coach Richard Hartis.
The FA Report notes:
It is after the first altercation between Mr Bethell and Mr Evra that Mr Bethell is alleged to have shouted at Mr Evra Ill ******* have you, you ******* 12 immigrant; an allegation which Mr Bethell has consistently and vehemently denied.
39. The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.
There is some confusion and inconsistency in their placing of the alleged racist insult. We should not have expected complete detailed accuracy and consistency in witnesses recollections of a fast-moving disorderly series of events. However, there are aspects of the evidence of Mr Phelan and Mr Hartis which raise serious questions about the reliability of their claims about the racist remark.
The later on in the report: Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day.
Thats right: Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark. Shall I repeat it again EVRA HAS NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE HEARD SUCH A REMARK.
So its pretty safe to say, Evra didnt play the race card on that occasion, which brings me onto Steve Finnan.
This is taken from the Guardian following the incident:
A police investigation has been launched after deaf football fans complained they had lip-read Liverpools Steve Finnan making a racist remark towards Patrice Evra of Manchester United.
The Merseyside club immediately denounced the claim as an outrageous slur but Greater Manchester police confirmed last night that inquiries are ongoing into allegations that the Liverpool full-back made an offensive comment during last months 1-0 defeat at Old Trafford.
It is understood that the alleged remark was picked up by fans watching the game on television. Two contacted the police, as well as Manchester United, and claimed they had lip-read what the Republic of Ireland international apparently said. Police are understood to have taken statements and to be reviewing footage of the game.
The revelations drew an angry response from Anfield. The first either the club or the player knew about this matter was through the media, a spokesman said. There has been absolutely no contact from the Greater Manchester police. We have subsequently had a video of the match analysed by a lip-reader, who has told us there is nothing to support this outrageous slur.
The incident allegedly happened after Finnan had given away the stoppage-time free-kick on Evra that led to Rio Ferdinand heading the decisive goal. Evra, however, was unaware of any racist taunts. The Senegal-born Frenchman, a ?5.5m signing from Monaco in January, has not raised any complaints although he is aware of the allegations.
The important bit here chaps is: THE FRENCHMAN HAS NOT RAISED ANY COMPLAINTS.
Finnan was later cleared of any racist charges.
Evra has not played the race card on either occasion, so I ask you, why would he suddenly start now, especially after the two previous times racism allegations have been made on his behalf, no one has been punished for them?
Ive seen a lot of erroneous and downright disgusting accusations levelled at Evra over the past day or so, everything from him being a vile race card waver to actually being racist against white people.
The sad thing is none of the people quick to accuse Evra have bothered to check their facts and had they done so theyd realise the stupidity of the remarks they were making. Now though Evra is tarred with an undeserving brush thats practically given any player the green light to racially abuse the United captain should they wish, after all if he were to claim hes been the victim of racism again, who would honestly believe him.
Its doubtful that Suarez will be charged as the video evidence, seems inconclusive, but I for one believe Evra, after all depsite what people claim, hes never made this thing up in the past, so why on earth would he start now?
Mind you, I cant really imagine should a shining example of respectful conduct as Suarez, to commit any vile acts, next youll be telling me he bites opponents, dives and cheats entire continents out of making history."
I don't know if there is any truth in it and that is why i have not posted any comment about it before, I have also looked at a lot of T.V coverage and i can't say what was said, This is a very delicate matter and a few posts i have read on here are just total bulls**t, you need to get all your FACTS right, as you could end up looking stupid!!Last edited by yasminandrio; 17 October, 2011, 14:58.Comment
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Right, So Luis called Evra such & such.. Prove it ^^
I am obsessed with Liverpool Football Club, I think you are too !
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Sir Alex Ferguson in 1988
"This isn't just a job to me." "It's a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else - dramatically."
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I am obsessed with Liverpool Football Club, I think you are too !
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Evra is pursuing the matter and as pointed out in yassers excellent post this is the first time he has done so ! Will be a hard one to prove like you say but if Suarez or Evra are guilty of using racial tactics then justice should be served would you not agree ? Either way there is generally no smoke without fire and the diving biter has hardly come across as a model citizen thus far and in my opinion i would be less than surprised if it where true.Comment
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WIKI ISNT GOSPEL EITHER FFS.[/QUOTE]
FFS Pill have you read the post, It has not come from WIKI, Like all your pointless posts!!
This is FACTS one is a statment from Liverpool police!! about the Steve Finnan case and the groundsman is common knowledge, That Evra never made the comments!! And yes the truth does hurt a lot of the time as you well know!! as you are constantly hurting
, And as Mrgasman said Evra is pursuing the matter, So lets see what happens!!
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I'd put money on him having said it without a doubt but like i said... PROVE IT !
Im referring to his signature, not his post......WIKI ISNT GOSPEL EITHER FFS.
FFS Pill have you read the post, It has not come from WIKI, Like all your pointless posts!! This is FACTS one is a statment from Liverpool police!! about the Steve Finnan case and the groundsman is common knowledge, That Evra never made the comments!! And yes the truth does hurt a lot of the time as you well know!! as you are constantly hurting, And as Mrgasman said Evra is pursuing the matter, So lets see what happens!!
Just for the record, Im not hurting whatsoever, We outplayed you the whole match apart from the ten minute spell you had start of 2nd half.
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Outside of what may or may not have been said Saturday afternoon, one thing is certain...
Suarez is one horrible individual.. both inside and out.
He says "I can only say that I have always respected everybody"
Well he didn't respect "everyone" when he upset an entire Continent when he was guilty of one of the most unsporting acts ever seen at a world cup.
And then to taunt the Ghanaians later speaks volumes.
This combined with his 7 match ban for biting on an opponent, and his constant theatrics to try and con the ref makes him one of the most hated players in the world.. (outside of Uruguay and liverpool)
As as good a player and all as he is, this guy is NOT a Liverpool legend in the making.
He has no morals... and once City/barca etc come calling, the scousers will be toasting marshmallows over this shirt.Comment
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It will be extremely difficult to prove maybe verging on impossible but Evra's reaction tells a story in itself. Attempting to discredit Evra with accusations of him playing the race card are also unfounded and equally difficult to prove. I dont know what else Evra could have done, he made the allegation immediately after the game hoping that one of the numerous microphones and cameras had picked it up. If he was racially abused then should he have just ignored it and got on with his life as there would simply be no way of proving it ?
I would be interested to hear Suarez tell us what he was actually saying to Evra at the time rather than side step the issue with claims of being outraged etc etc.
If it remains unproven then fine so be it Suarez is a great talent to watch and would be missed by the Premier league and also colgates UK sales might take a hit if he flys those enormous ivorys back home. But if amazingly some footage does make it out of Anfield alive
and he is proven guilty then does it become a police matter ? Surely a huge ban would be in order as it really is a serious offence and im talking more months or years rather than matches here.
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Not just on about saturday but your hurting for sure after that matchI'd put money on him having said it without a doubt but like i said... PROVE IT !
Your right^^
Im referring to his signature, not his post......
But his signature is FACT!! full house every week at OT
Just for the record, Im not hurting whatsoever, We outplayed you the whole match apart from the ten minute spell you had start of 2nd half. You have been hurting for all of the THREE years you have followed LFC!! NOW THATS A FACT!!Comment
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