man u v celtic

[thered]

fair points m8 but these are cup games england v scotland not the week in week out grind of a season your players couldnt run like that every week it was none stop blood and guts and the full celtic team credit too them were dead on thier feet at the end

you have a great club but the football is substandard you would struggle now in the premier to stay in but you are right in time as the money came in you would be a more attractive team to players and you would move up into the top half top six maybe

but i believe you would struggle for a year or two first

[portbhoy]

Hull City are a better team, you beem smokin mate Thats just downright insulting, you need a reality check on that one!

[victor1]

Of course we would struggle to begin with, unless we got a multi million ??? backer from America or Russia or wherever and spent billions on players to buy our way to trophies !! The point is with our limited resources we have been punching well above our weight especially at home were our record is exemplory. The game the other night was a fantastic effort by Celtic especially due to the injuries they had, but given the quality of Utd I personally felt they were poor, and for the ??? in your front line if I was a Utd supporter I would be very dissapointed at their efforts.

[thered]

i think its getting taken out of context

i will clear it up celtic are a huge name in world football not just scotland a massive club with a huge fanatical support a true great in british football


they are on a global scale worth 10 of hull city but as a football team hull are a better side

money talks in football and unless you move you will just go backwards. 1967 will never happen again till top players want to leave england for scotland not championship players like the lad from preston or players who are shot like sutton ,liam miller wasnt good enough kenny miller not good enough shaun maloney not good enough to play in england


i am honestly not knocking scotland just being honest yes the premier has all the money but just be realistic fella's

the epl only has all the money because its attractive and has a lot of the worlds best players surely you must agree?

it apppeals to millions in different countries around the globe which in turn answers the question itself

if scottish football is as good as you lot make out why is all the money over the border and no body else is interested

so without being rude just try and take a step back and be more realistic you are a massive club in a small pond

[portbhoy]

Sighz...............

[victor1]

I notice your selective when naming players alledgedly not good enough since moving down to England, what about those who are succeeding, Petrov, Hutton, Gordon(Craig) Cuellar those are off the top of my head, I'm sure there is more, beisde as far as I'm aware Miller is still with Sunderland, and you miss a cruciall point regarding Liam Miller, Ferguson brought him to UTD, what does that say about his judgement

As for Hull being a better side your really showing a lack of knowledge or your being mischieveous, I wish Celtic were playing Hull in our next champions league match instead of Aalbourg, I would put my house on us winning no bother. I'm not however disrespecting Hull, they are riding the crest of a wave at the minute and I hope they continue, better than that I hope they get a european spot, why ? because it would show the EPL up, its a false league, with billions getting thrown at it, best league in the world !! not by a long way
There is a case for the EPL to collapse as its debt ridden, and it took investment from gangsters to bolster it, the EPL has ruined football with its over inflated players and foriegn backers. Celtic and Rangers have a support base that is second to none in the world, and when that super league comes along we'll be in there with as good a chance as Utd or anyone else for that matter, roll on the day

[thered]

none of the payers you mentioned have set the world alight petrov was a superstar for you i would say he is average for villa

but you are missing the point

the point is players who are no good,are good in scotland.

i never said that players from scotland cant play im saying players who dont cut it in england can get away with it in scotland

that is the truth you cant get away from it by the way we have a european superleague its called the champions league and until you get some domestic competition you will never get anwhere

the premier is built in the main on tv revenue the rich gangster chairman are just recent additions to the bandwagon

where does all celtics money go because the fans they have they should be able to at least try and get some big money buys in im not certain but i believe they have struggled or still struggle with debt as do most football teams

[thered]

Of course we would struggle to begin with, unless we got a multi million ??? backer from America or Russia or wherever and spent billions on players to buy our way to trophies !! The point is with our limited resources we have been punching well above our weight especially at home were our record is exemplory. The game the other night was a fantastic effort by Celtic especially due to the injuries they had, but given the quality of Utd I personally felt they were poor, and for the ??? in your front line if I was a Utd supporter I would be very dissapointed at their efforts.

i would just like to say that this post says more or less what i said in the first place you would struggle in the epl and you played well hats off to you


so where has all the upset come from

[Liberator1985]

man u rules

[victor1]

There is no upset its a debate ! I think you are being mischieveous though claiming Hull are better than Celtic and you know that comment would get a reaction, the same applies to your remark about players not being able to make it in the EPL, lets look at the facts, outside of the top 4 in the EPL how many teams have matched Celtic in European matches ? In the last 5 years, Celtic have reached the last 16 of Champs league twice and were beaten in the UEFA cup final, this with players who you claim are not good enough to play in England LOL.
There is no doubt the financial impact of Sky, and the burger backers from America etc have given the EPL the opportunity to buy quality players, but at what cost ? they have ruined football, and are squeezing out other leagues with over inflated prices ! Just look at Man City how much did they spend on Robinho ?
You have your opinion m8 and your entitled to it, but Celtic given a level playing field financially, would be winning your premiership and Champions league titles, we know thats not going to happen in terms of the ??? so I'll make do with my lot,
I've been a season book holder for over 30 years, nothings going to change that

[thered]

thats basically what i said in the first place if you were in the epl for a couple of seasons you would grow and be able to compete dont think you would win it but you would do ok

you would also be able to build a better team than hull if you were in england but the fact is at the minute hull are a better side

i have seen them beat arsenal and spurs give united and chelsea a decent game they have played well

and give united a much tougher game than celtic in the both games we played no one can knock celtics home record it is superb but it is built on passion and graft rather than being a great side

i also think hull city would beat aaalborg just for the record home and away thus given the chance in one off matches might just make enough points for last 16 they give united a good game beat arsenal away who will both qualify for the last 16 of the champions league something celtic wont do


sorry just one more thing when you say outside the top four who can match celtics record in europe well the answer is no one because no one outside the top four can get into europe which if you were in the epl you wouldnt either so if you played in england your record would be as good as everybody else the fact is celtic are only really in the competition every year because they more or less get a bye

this post is not slagging celtic off it is being honest in where they are in football today and whilst the team is huge the quality of scottish football is dire which is my point

by the way united had more money and less debt before the americans took over the club was built on solid foundations till glazer took over and made huge profits every year

[victor1]

i have seen them beat arsenal and spurs give united and chelsea a decent game they have played well

I have seen Celtic beat Man Utd, Liverpool, Blackburn so what !

i also think hull city would beat aaalborg just for the record home and away thus given the chance in one off matches might just make enough points for last 16 they give united a good game beat arsenal away who will both qualify for the last 16 of the champions league something celtic wont do

Thats just nonesense, but your entitled to it as it's your opinion.

sorry just one more thing when you say outside the top four who can match celtics record in europe well the answer is no one because no one outside the top four can get into europe which if you were in the epl you wouldnt either so if you played in england your record would be as good as everybody else the fact is celtic are only really in the competition every year because they more or less get a bye

Wrong......Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs are all at present playing in Europe, if your going to make points at least try and be accurate.

this post is not slagging celtic off it is being honest in where they are in football today and whilst the team is huge the quality of scottish football is dire which is my point

You keep saying its not slagging off Celtic and then go on to demean everything about Scottish football of which Celtic are a part, as I stated earlier are you being mischieveous then ?

by the way united had more money and less debt before the americans took over the club was built on solid foundations till glazer took over and made huge profits every year

So why then did they need the burger millionaires ? Tell me how much ????has Ferguson spent to build a team that couldn't beat a decimated Celtic team ?

[harry1986]

Manchester United VS Arsenal today cant wait to watch the match come on man u you can do it

[thered]

Wrong......Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs are all at present playing in Europe, if your going to make points at least try and be accurate.

no 5hit sherlock funny cos you made the point specificaly about celtic getting to the last 16 in the champions league as far as i know none of the above have played in the champions league so try and be accurate as i said you wouldnt qualify if you were in england

So why then did they need the burger millionaires ? Tell me how much ????has Ferguson spent to build a team that couldn't beat a decimated Celtic team ?

united didnt need burger millionaires he needed them and took a hostile takeover to buy the clubs shares whilst financing it through millions of debt we were not struggling like chelsea with debt we were on sound financial footing so try to be accurate

you are right ferguson has spent millions but united make thier own money and dont have a sugar daddy like abramoviich

yes the reserves couldnt beat celtic away from home but then again we got beat at home of coventry last year who are in the championship

but that is the magic of cup competitions its not just about having money cos anyone can beat anyone on their day the point i made in the first place in my opinion is correct you are a poor team who looks good in the league they play in

you have heart passion and commitment but are lacking in quality you may be able to nick players off hibs but can you tell me the last player in their prime to leave england for celtic you will struggle to find one because while you are in that league you are sub standard compared to this side of the border

its not being racialist or abusive its just stating fact if you opened your eyes and looked at the bigger picture and you were realistic you are far from a quality side

[victor1]

Wrong......Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs are all at present playing in Europe, if your going to make points at least try and be accurate.

no 5hit sherlock funny cos you made the point specificaly about celtic getting to the last 16 in the champions league as far as i know none of the above have played in the champions league so try and be accurate as i said you wouldnt qualify if you were in england

lets look at the facts, outside of the top 4 in the EPL how many teams have matched Celtic in European matches ? In the last 5 years, Celtic have reached the last 16 of Champs league twice and were beaten in the UEFA cup final, this with players who you claim are not good enough to play in England LOL.

Isn't it funny how you ignored the UEFA matches

[yes the reserves couldnt beat celtic away from home

Evra Ferdinand, Vidic, O'Shea, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Carrick, Nani Berbatov, Tevez Rooney , Giggs. So this is UTDs reserve team now, at least be truthful when putting forward your points m8, as your doing your argument no favours at all.

[its not being racialist or abusive its just stating fact if you opened your eyes and looked at the bigger picture and you were realistic you are far from a quality side

There is very little fact in your argument as I have demonstrated above it is full of mistruths, now your either at it and trying to stir things or you don't know what your talking about, it can really only be one or the other, my guess is your at your lark, and to that end I'll finish here on this thread. But just before I do out of a matter of interest are you a season ticket holder at Man Utd or an armchair fan