Been reading this elsewhere and thought it was VERY interesting!!
This comes directly from the NASA website. It is a press release from the Royal Astronomical Society labeled 'for immediate release'. It was released in 1999.
"Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky."
Puzzle Of Cometary Orbits Hints At Large Undiscovered Object
Here is the article with the interesting points highlighted.
ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY PRESS NOTICE
Date: 7 October 1999
For immediate release
Ref. PN 99/32
Issued by: Dr Jacqueline Mitton
RAS Press Officer
Phone: Cambridge ((0)1223) 564914
FAX: Cambridge ((0)1223) 572892
E-mail: [email protected]
RAS Web: [link to www.ras.org.uk]
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CONTACT FOR THIS RELEASE
Dr John B. Murray ([email protected])
Phone: 01908 652118
Dept. of Earth Sciences, The Open University,
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA
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PUZZLE OF COMETARY ORBITS HINTS AT LARGE UNDISCOVERED OBJECT
Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets.
Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.
The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.
So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.
Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.
Here is an MSNBC article about the discovery.
Researchers suggest that huge unseen object orbits on fringe of solar system. This diagram, produced by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, shows the nine planets as a small inset within the much larger Oort Cloud, extending trillions of miles out from the sun. The hypothetical planet or brown dwarf would lie about halfway out from the center of the cloud.
Oct. 7, 1999 ? Two teams of researchers have proposed the existence of an unseen planet or a failed star circling the sun at a distance of more than 2 trillion miles, far beyond the orbits of the nine known planets. The theory, which seeks to explain patterns in comets? paths, has been put forward in research accepted for publication in two separate journals.
SPECULATION ABOUT the existence of unseen celestial companions dates back far before the discovery of Pluto in 1929 ? and even figures in more recent fringe phenomena such as the 1997 ?Heaven?s Gate? tragedy and talk of a new ?Planet X.? This latest hypothesis, however, is aimed at answering nagging scientific questions about how particular types of comets make their way into the inner solar system.
Some comets, like Halley?s Comet, follow relatively short-period orbits ? circling the sun in less than two hundred years. These comets are thought to originate in the Kuiper Belt, a disk of cosmic debris that lies beyond Neptune?s orbit.
The best way to think of the distances involved is in terms of Astronomical Units. One AU is the distance from Earth to the sun (93 million miles or 149.6 million kilometers). Pluto, the most distant of the planets, is at 39 AU. The Kuiper Belt extends from 30 AU to perhaps 1,000 AU.
Even further out is the Oort Cloud, a spherical haze of comets surrounding the solar system at distances between 10,000 AU and more than 50,000 AU.
That?s where long-period comets such as Hale-Bopp are thought to come from. For some time, astronomers have noticed that the directional patterns of these comets are not completely random. And after years of study, some researchers are reporting that the patterns hint at something big out there perturbing the cometary paths.
WHAT COULD IT BE?
No telescope has yet detected this object. But on the basis of its gravitational effect, John B. Murray, a planetary scientist at Britain?s Open University, speculates that the object could be a planet larger than Jupiter, the biggest of the solar system?s known planets. Murray puts the object?s orbit at 32,000 AU, or 2.98 trillion miles from the sun. His proposal appears in the Oct. 11 issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
Meanwhile, researchers at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette say the object could be a planet or brown dwarf ? that is, a dark, failed star ? roughly three times the size of Jupiter and orbiting at 25,000 AU. The researchers, led by physicist John Matese, say their paper is to be published by the journal Icarus.
Both studies acknowledge that other factors could influence the pattern seen in long-period comets: for example, the Milky Way?s gravitational tidal effects. But the Louisiana researchers say the cometary patterns are best explained by the existence of ?a perturber, acting in concert with the galactic tide.?
Matese said the proposed object should make one orbit around the sun every 4 million to 5 million years. Murray said the object he had in mind would make one orbit every 6 million years, circling the sun in a direction counter to that followed by the nine traditional planets.
The two researchers said they were familiar with each other?s work but hadn?t taken a close look at each other?s studies.
They acknowledged that their estimates for the mass and orbit of a mysterious object were similar, but couldn?t say whether they were talking about the same object.
MORE QUESTIONS
How could such a massive object exist so far from the sun? The researchers say a planet or dark star could have coalesced during the formation of the solar system billions of years ago, but more probably would be a passing celestial body that was captured by the sun?s subtle gravitational pull.
Another question: Why hasn?t such an object been seen? Murray says that even a Jupiter-scale planet could not be observed at the immense distances involved. Matese and his colleagues say that their hypothetical brown dwarf wouldn?t have been detected even by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite, which surveyed the heavens in 1983 ? but that the yet-to-be-launched Space Infrared Telescope Facility just might be able to pick it up.
All this may sound like science fiction, but an expert in the field notes that the hypothesis has been a subject of serious speculation for years.
?We?ve all wondered whether there was something out there,? said Brian Marsden, who heads the International Astronomical Union?s Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams as well as the Minor Planet Center at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory.
However, Marsden also expressed some skepticism about the evidence behind the latest research.
?I?m not convinced it is not due to chance,? he told MSNBC in an e-mail message. ?In any case, the data may not be as good as one would like.?
SPECULATIVE SCENARIO
If the research holds up, it could open the door for renewed speculation on even spookier questions: Some theorists have proposed that the gravitational effect of a massive unseen object in a distant orbit ? nicknamed ?Nemesis? or the ?Death Star? ? could set off periodic cometary storms, which would increase the chances of a catastrophic impact with Earth. Indeed, physicist Daniel Whitmire, a colleague of Matese?s who is a co-author of the new research, laid out just such a scenario in 1985 to explain mass extinctions on Earth, such as the demise of the dinosaurs.
Matese also speculated back then about such an effect, but he emphasized that the newly detected object didn?t fit the doomsday profile. ?This object is not a Nemesis,? he told MSNBC. ?It does not create comet storms.? He said his proposed object appeared to have an influence on about 25 percent of the long-period comets coming in from the Oort Cloud.
Matese noted that theories proposing a correlation between extinctions on Earth and celestial orbits had fallen out of scientific favor in recent years. But he said there could be a ?much more gentle? effect that links periodic changes in cratering to the solar system?s oscillating motion through the galactic plane. As the solar system moves around the Milky Way?s center, it bobs slowly up and down through the galactic disk, Matese explained. The gravitational effects could cause changes in the number of comets sent into the inner solar system, he said.
?We don?t know the precise period of that motion? through the plane of the galaxy, he said. ?If we discover that it?s closer to a 35-million-year period, then a case can be made that it causes periodic changes in cratering.?
This is an actual scientific paper from the research team (scientist/professors) out of the University of Lousiana.
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/MS7292.pdf
AND ON THE 24TH MARCH 2010 WE HAVE THIS LITTLE GEM
Louisville Mojo: NASA Baffled by Giant Space Ribbon
There are also these other articles to ponder:
Times Higher Education - The Sun's sister could be a brown dwarf
Does the Sun have a doomsday twin? - Telegraph
This could almost be considered a smoking gun.
Amazing that they can hide things so well in almost plain sight.
Control the media and you control information.
This comes directly from the NASA website. It is a press release from the Royal Astronomical Society labeled 'for immediate release'. It was released in 1999.
"Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky."
Puzzle Of Cometary Orbits Hints At Large Undiscovered Object
Here is the article with the interesting points highlighted.
ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY PRESS NOTICE
Date: 7 October 1999
For immediate release
Ref. PN 99/32
Issued by: Dr Jacqueline Mitton
RAS Press Officer
Phone: Cambridge ((0)1223) 564914
FAX: Cambridge ((0)1223) 572892
E-mail: [email protected]
RAS Web: [link to www.ras.org.uk]
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
CONTACT FOR THIS RELEASE
Dr John B. Murray ([email protected])
Phone: 01908 652118
Dept. of Earth Sciences, The Open University,
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
PUZZLE OF COMETARY ORBITS HINTS AT LARGE UNDISCOVERED OBJECT
Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets.
Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.
The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.
So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.
Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.
Here is an MSNBC article about the discovery.
Researchers suggest that huge unseen object orbits on fringe of solar system. This diagram, produced by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, shows the nine planets as a small inset within the much larger Oort Cloud, extending trillions of miles out from the sun. The hypothetical planet or brown dwarf would lie about halfway out from the center of the cloud.
Oct. 7, 1999 ? Two teams of researchers have proposed the existence of an unseen planet or a failed star circling the sun at a distance of more than 2 trillion miles, far beyond the orbits of the nine known planets. The theory, which seeks to explain patterns in comets? paths, has been put forward in research accepted for publication in two separate journals.
SPECULATION ABOUT the existence of unseen celestial companions dates back far before the discovery of Pluto in 1929 ? and even figures in more recent fringe phenomena such as the 1997 ?Heaven?s Gate? tragedy and talk of a new ?Planet X.? This latest hypothesis, however, is aimed at answering nagging scientific questions about how particular types of comets make their way into the inner solar system.
Some comets, like Halley?s Comet, follow relatively short-period orbits ? circling the sun in less than two hundred years. These comets are thought to originate in the Kuiper Belt, a disk of cosmic debris that lies beyond Neptune?s orbit.
The best way to think of the distances involved is in terms of Astronomical Units. One AU is the distance from Earth to the sun (93 million miles or 149.6 million kilometers). Pluto, the most distant of the planets, is at 39 AU. The Kuiper Belt extends from 30 AU to perhaps 1,000 AU.
Even further out is the Oort Cloud, a spherical haze of comets surrounding the solar system at distances between 10,000 AU and more than 50,000 AU.
That?s where long-period comets such as Hale-Bopp are thought to come from. For some time, astronomers have noticed that the directional patterns of these comets are not completely random. And after years of study, some researchers are reporting that the patterns hint at something big out there perturbing the cometary paths.
WHAT COULD IT BE?
No telescope has yet detected this object. But on the basis of its gravitational effect, John B. Murray, a planetary scientist at Britain?s Open University, speculates that the object could be a planet larger than Jupiter, the biggest of the solar system?s known planets. Murray puts the object?s orbit at 32,000 AU, or 2.98 trillion miles from the sun. His proposal appears in the Oct. 11 issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
Meanwhile, researchers at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette say the object could be a planet or brown dwarf ? that is, a dark, failed star ? roughly three times the size of Jupiter and orbiting at 25,000 AU. The researchers, led by physicist John Matese, say their paper is to be published by the journal Icarus.
Both studies acknowledge that other factors could influence the pattern seen in long-period comets: for example, the Milky Way?s gravitational tidal effects. But the Louisiana researchers say the cometary patterns are best explained by the existence of ?a perturber, acting in concert with the galactic tide.?
Matese said the proposed object should make one orbit around the sun every 4 million to 5 million years. Murray said the object he had in mind would make one orbit every 6 million years, circling the sun in a direction counter to that followed by the nine traditional planets.
The two researchers said they were familiar with each other?s work but hadn?t taken a close look at each other?s studies.
They acknowledged that their estimates for the mass and orbit of a mysterious object were similar, but couldn?t say whether they were talking about the same object.
MORE QUESTIONS
How could such a massive object exist so far from the sun? The researchers say a planet or dark star could have coalesced during the formation of the solar system billions of years ago, but more probably would be a passing celestial body that was captured by the sun?s subtle gravitational pull.
Another question: Why hasn?t such an object been seen? Murray says that even a Jupiter-scale planet could not be observed at the immense distances involved. Matese and his colleagues say that their hypothetical brown dwarf wouldn?t have been detected even by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite, which surveyed the heavens in 1983 ? but that the yet-to-be-launched Space Infrared Telescope Facility just might be able to pick it up.
All this may sound like science fiction, but an expert in the field notes that the hypothesis has been a subject of serious speculation for years.
?We?ve all wondered whether there was something out there,? said Brian Marsden, who heads the International Astronomical Union?s Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams as well as the Minor Planet Center at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory.
However, Marsden also expressed some skepticism about the evidence behind the latest research.
?I?m not convinced it is not due to chance,? he told MSNBC in an e-mail message. ?In any case, the data may not be as good as one would like.?
SPECULATIVE SCENARIO
If the research holds up, it could open the door for renewed speculation on even spookier questions: Some theorists have proposed that the gravitational effect of a massive unseen object in a distant orbit ? nicknamed ?Nemesis? or the ?Death Star? ? could set off periodic cometary storms, which would increase the chances of a catastrophic impact with Earth. Indeed, physicist Daniel Whitmire, a colleague of Matese?s who is a co-author of the new research, laid out just such a scenario in 1985 to explain mass extinctions on Earth, such as the demise of the dinosaurs.
Matese also speculated back then about such an effect, but he emphasized that the newly detected object didn?t fit the doomsday profile. ?This object is not a Nemesis,? he told MSNBC. ?It does not create comet storms.? He said his proposed object appeared to have an influence on about 25 percent of the long-period comets coming in from the Oort Cloud.
Matese noted that theories proposing a correlation between extinctions on Earth and celestial orbits had fallen out of scientific favor in recent years. But he said there could be a ?much more gentle? effect that links periodic changes in cratering to the solar system?s oscillating motion through the galactic plane. As the solar system moves around the Milky Way?s center, it bobs slowly up and down through the galactic disk, Matese explained. The gravitational effects could cause changes in the number of comets sent into the inner solar system, he said.
?We don?t know the precise period of that motion? through the plane of the galaxy, he said. ?If we discover that it?s closer to a 35-million-year period, then a case can be made that it causes periodic changes in cratering.?
This is an actual scientific paper from the research team (scientist/professors) out of the University of Lousiana.
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/MS7292.pdf
AND ON THE 24TH MARCH 2010 WE HAVE THIS LITTLE GEM
Louisville Mojo: NASA Baffled by Giant Space Ribbon
There are also these other articles to ponder:
Times Higher Education - The Sun's sister could be a brown dwarf
Does the Sun have a doomsday twin? - Telegraph
This could almost be considered a smoking gun.
Amazing that they can hide things so well in almost plain sight.
Control the media and you control information.
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