Do you believe in god

[themanfromuncle]

I don't believe in god. There is no god and there isn't any proof whatsoever that he does exist or could. The bible/tora/koran/whatever is not proof. They are just books writen by some religious fanatics and pressure groups of that time. God is a made-up concept to explain the unexplained. But only replaces one unexplained with another.

Religion has used, or better missused, this concept as a power tool for domination of the masses by the leaders of their so-called religions.

And for those who believe it is just a way of deflecting responsibility, not having to think for themselves and to cope with the knowledge that we don't and can't understand everything.

I do believe however that people who believe in god and that religions are dangerous. History has shown this so often in the past.

In general I find that everyone has a right to his or her own opinion about anything. But when this opinion poses a danger to others then I'm not so sure.

[themanfromuncle]

And as for curing the common cold etc and the pharma industry.

It is not so easy to fight viruses contrary to for instance bacteria. Also don't over estimate the competencies of the pharma companies. Many of the drugs they discover are only found by luck. They have large computerised facilities that automaticaly test thousands of substances and combinations of these on certain test products. If they get a hit then scientist look into it further. It is like that viagra was "invented".

Also these companies goal is to make money, not cure people as such. They will only cure you for money. That is why some drugs that save lives and are proven to work get taken out of the market and no longer produced just because they don't make a profit, even if this means that people die.

As for the governements, they are incompetent and corrupt and the pharma lobby has loads of (our) money.

[pantomime horse]

simple answer no

but I do believe in the power of " CHUCK NORRIS "

[scruff1963]

I believe in God.
I don't need to justify it to anyone.
Everyone assumes the man in the white robes with the long beard but it just goes to show you watch to much tv.

[Cronus]

According to the bible, God killed 2,391,421 people and Satan only killed 10.

Anyone think that believers could be following the wrong guy?

[Itsme]

Most people have to believe in something and GOD (any God) is covenient.

A famous quote from Voltaire:

"Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer" ("If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him."

[thered]

poll of european believers/disbelievers from 2005

Country Belief in god Belief in spirit Belief in neither

Turkey 95% 2% 1%
Malta Malta 95% 3% 1%
Cyprus Cyprus 90% 7% 2%
Romania Romania 90% 8% 1%
Greece Greece 81% 16% 3%
Portugal Portugal 81% 12% 6%
Poland Poland 80% 15% 1%
Italy Italy 74% 16% 6%
Republic of Ireland 73% 22% 4%
Croatia 67% 25% 7%
Slovakia 61% 26% 11%
Spain Spain 59% 21% 18%
Austria Austria 54% 34% 8%
Lithuania Lithuania 49% 36% 12%
Switzerland Switzerland 48% 39% 9%
Germany Germany 47% 25% 25%
Luxembourg Luxembourg 44% 28% 22%
Hungary Hungary 44% 31% 19%
Belgium Belgium 43% 29% 27%
Finland Finland 41% 41% 16%
Bulgaria Bulgaria 40% 40% 13%
Iceland Iceland 38% 48% 11%
United Kingdom 38% 40% 20%
Latvia Latvia 37% 49% 10%
Slovenia Slovenia 37% 46% 16%
France France 34% 27% 33%
Netherlands Netherlands 34% 37% 27%
Norway Norway 32% 47% 17%
Denmark Denmark 31% 49% 19%
Sweden Sweden 23% 53% 23%
Czech Republic 19% 50% 30%
Estonia Estonia 16% 54% 26%

Source

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

[TheJackel]

Its good to see this thread develop, my own personnel view is that people want to believe there is something/anything a higher being call it what you will, it deflects from the hum drum of daily life and gives people hope and a purpose it gives them goals and guidelines. If it works for you then who am i to try and stop you, change you.

Not for me though.

If a mod could add a poll it would be appreciated.

Do you believe in a God ?

Do you believe in something, a higher being ?

Do you not believe in anything ?

[thered]

on a serious note when i was younger i did pray for a mountain bike when they were brand new out

i got a scruffy second hand grifter with a flat tyre stuck in 3rd gear about 10 years out of date

True story in what was a happy childhood especially when me mates seen it i think i made a big story up about they got me a 5hit bike to mess about on and my good bike was kept at home for special occasions when no body was looking

happy days like the time i wanted a commodore 64 and got its ~~~~in 5hite brother a commodore plus 4

me ~~~~in sister got a ~~~~in mountain bike though

anyway rant over im starting to get pi55ed off again

[loncell]

and jesus ?


























early hippie with the gift of the gab !.

[Tbolbi]

...seated side by side, two gentlemen from two different worlds...



And there they were, on a flight from Cape Town to Durban, seated side by side, two gentlemen from two different worlds.... After the formalities were covered, the conversation continued....




Bob: I don't believe in God, but rather in science and technology, something tangible you see, but if you can prove to me scientifically that God does exist then I would consider such a thought.

Yunus: Okay, you being interested in technology, please answer this question......with regard to an advanced machine or electronic device, who would be the one to know the most about its mechanism or functioning?

Bob: Well, perhaps the person who has invented or manufactured such a machine.

Yunus: Can we agree that it is the maker or creator of the product who would know every-thing there is to know about the product.

Bob: I don't see why not, it sounds reasonable.

Yunus: Being knowledgeable in these matters, the next question I'd like to ask you is, Just how did the world or the universe come into existence?

Bob: According to recent scientific research, the whole universe was one gigantic mass, which scientists call the primary Nebula, they tell us that it was a cosmic explosion or a secondary explosion that gave rise to the sun, the stars, the planets and even the Earth we live on.

Yunus: Is this what you believe?

Bob: Yes of course, these are established facts based on scientific proofs. In fact, this idea was realised in 1973 and termed the 'BIG BANG' theory.

Yunus: I see, well I have a surprise for you....In the Holy Quraan, chapter 21, verse 30 says. "Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart". Here we can see that the Holy Quraan is speaking about this 'BIG BANG' theory and let me tell you that the Holy Quraan was revealed over 1400 years ago.

Bob: I have heard about the Quraan, but can you refresh my memory.

Yunus: Sure, the Muslim believes the Quraan to be the word of God, pure and unadulterated which was revealed verbally to the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed, Peace be upon him, through the agency of the Angel Gabriel. The Holy Quraan was completed over a period of 23 years, that is over the prophetic life of the Prophet of Islam.


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yes i do belive in GoD and Mohamed , and i don't need to proof it but may be this history can make some of you belive in GoD and Mohamed

[Tbolbi]

have a look in this link too :

Prophet Muhammad - You Must Know This Man

[ITS A SCAM !]

All those who say they believe in God must also believe in the 10 commandments. And how many of these folk do c/s or run a patched STB etc.
c/s is classed as stealing and one of the 10 commandments is that "You shall not steal"
That seems a bit wrong to me...

[djack137]

Respect to all opinions here. Bit hard to prove until you're dead really. My thoughts are that when I was 'trying' for the kids, (Biblical sense), I don't really recall doing any of the design work myself, and the missus swears she didn't either!

[Cronus]