GTA 4 ON PC, PROBLEMS, DO YOU TOO ??

[Raven]

That used to be the case 9 times out of 10 - about 6 years ago - and 9 times out of 10 six years ago I would have agreed with your statement....but nowadays and in Fifa's case in particular....hell no, it's a different game on the 360 and PS3 - I'm assuming you haven't played those versions because otherwise you would know this....I've played the PC version too and the difference between that and console version is like night and day with the console version being far superior.

This is why the Fifa fans on PC are up in arms that the PC version isn't the same as the console version, because the PC version of Fifa is the inferior version in direct comparison to the console counterpart despite a PC being capably more powerful....a quick trawl on any PC Fifa forum will show you this - and playing the console versions will prove this.

End of the day it doesn't matter one little bit how powerful your rig is if the developer of said game doesn't make a good PC port....in the end you could have a machine from the future but you would still have said GTA IV problems and Fifa would still be inferior to the console versions....so it ends up shoddy porting and a generally not very well optimized game hence GTA IV, Fifa and Guitar Hero - that's because the developer of the game made it so by not pumping as much money into the PC version.....this is why PC gaming as far as non exclusives go - is dying - because this sort of thing happens all the time now. Whereas 5 years ago the PC version of games were always far superior to console versions, often not the case now though. And if you think otherwise mate then I'm afraid you would just be deluding yourself to justify your purchase of serious PC hardware. I don't mean to sound like a ***** about it, but wether right or wrong your opinion's fine - but facts are facts mate.

[Saltire]

but wether right or wrong your opinion's fine - but facts are facts mate.

i have tried various console games V pc, and most of the time the pc knocks the socks right off them, no questions asked, the pc simply blows them right out the water as the level of technology thats in even the best of console's cant even get anywhere close to that of a decent pc, never has and never will, thats the facts, and facts are facts, .

I guess you dont have a decent pc like mines, unlucky mate, , but the facts are facts, even a blind man can see that.

[Raven]

Except in my case I was talking about Fifa specifically in the first place....and I do have a respectable machine.....Fifa's still dogshit on it, same as Guitar Hero and GTAIV and it's cos of shitty porting jobs - facts are facts, simple as.

[Saltire]

Except in my case I was talking about Fifa specifically in the first place....and I do have a respectable machine.....Fifa's still dogshit on it, same as Guitar Hero and GTAIV and it's cos of shitty porting jobs - facts are facts, simple as.

i have fifa09 mate and all the last fifa's too, and i also have GTA4 for pc too and if your trying to say that it looks far better on a console, any console, then with all respect mate, your talking absolute rubbish, if you have great pc's like ive always had then you will know that straight off the level of detail available on pc games is far far far superior to any console, consoles simply dont have the techno capabilitys of a decent pc/cpu/graphics system, there is no ifs, buts or maybes, consoles cant touch a pc on performance and graphical capabilities, just look at the processor chips and the graphics chips that are in the best of consoles, theier no where near even slightly older pc's.

this is an old argument anyway, one thats been going for years with gamers, but its not until console owners sit down infront of a great pc and display that they then say "hey man, i realise now what all the fuss is about and yea pc's jump on consoles from a great height"

[Raven]

No pal, I'm saying the exact same thing I've said all along if you care to listen....I'm saying Fifa (and other games mentioned) perform alot worse on the PC and in Fifa's case is a totally different game literally than it's console counterpart......I don't disagree with your statements about PC vs Console....in fact I agree with those - what I am saying is that some games play better on console and play alot worse on the PC due to shoddy porting or in some cases like with Fifa the said game is simply better on console because it's a different and far superior version - if you disagree I'd just point you in the direction of Fifa 09 on 360 or PS3 then to your Fifa 09 on PC and tell me which is superior then, because I've played both and so have many others on the PC Fifa 09 forums and the fact is we can't all be wrong and I know I'm not. Just play Fifa on PS3 mate, trust me.

As for your last point, I own both a good gaming PC and the latest consoles....and regardless of how good PC's are usually for the "repeat content", console's always have the edge due to their exclusives - case in point had I stuck rigidly to PC gaming I would have missed out on console gems like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Uncharted Drake's Fortune etc and this is without mentioning the likes of Goldeneye or Zelda....games which are miles better than any WoW or Counterstrike game on PC.....in fact the only really good PC exclusives I've ever played were Championship Manager and Crysis. But then that's purely looking at it from an exclusive games standpoint. But still drives home the fact that consoles have better games despite the console being technically inferior in terms of capability - but are they really ? The games they said could never be done on console - Far Cry at the time and Crysis now - are coming to console and it's them developers that have the biggest say on how good one is over the other. On the hardware side PC's vary wildly from person to person and for this some people have machines from the future - but some games still play alot worse than they ever should due to crappy porting jobs regardless.

[Saltire]

no thanks mate, i wouldnt give any console house room.

I do understand that some games have better gameplay on consoles just depending on which game etc, but i was meaning the graphics and detail etc, in my opinion you can have a game on a console that plays well but doesnt look half as good as it does on a great pc, so its swings n roundabouts so to speak, i like a game to look excellent first, then the gameplay, obviously the gameplay needs to be pretty good too, but for me, and like lots of other people, graphics are of most importance, and thats when the pc can jump all over any console, even you will agree with that.

[Raven]

No offense mate but you are obviously a PC fanboy...whereas I can see it from both sides....I can see what you are saying about how alot of games look better on PC than on console but what I'm saying is that not all of them do....and alot perform worse.....Fifa is a prime example of what I'm saying and as I said - play that on PS3 or 360 and then come back with the same argument that Fifa's better on PC - quite simply, you won't.

no chance mate, with a good pc and graphics card like mines fifa is far far more superior on the pc than any consols, always been the same

You are obviously assuming here because I know that not to be true as a matter of fact from experience, just play Fifa 09 on the PS3 or 360 and you will realise how untrue that statement of yours that I quoted really is. This is why I said opinion is one thing, but facts are facts. I say this with all due respect mate honestly, I'd quite while you are ahead and at least play Fifa on PS3 or 360 before you come back with the argument because as it is you don't really have a leg to stand on regarding your original point since it's a fact that the console versions of the latest Fifas are miles better than PC versions as they are different games - but Fifa PC version is another shoddy port in and of itself for what it is.

Plus Fifa 09 on PS3/360 is the "next gen" Fifa - Fifa 09 on PC is a shoddy port of the PS2 version of Fifa 09.....are you certain you don't want to rethink which version is superior mate ? I would at least play the game on the platform in question before you draw an opinion.

[Saltire]

i dont need to try fifa09 on the ps3 or any other console for that matter, i have friends who own all these things including mega gaming pc's too, already spoke to them about this and they agree that fifa on the pc is way better than on any console, they also agree that the actual gameplay is a bit better on the consoles, but apart from that fifa 09 is much better on a great gaming pc, when i say better i mean it looks so much better, gameplay is different thing, and same go's for all the older fifa's too, i would agree with you that fifa09 is about the worst of the fifa's so far, and thats on ps3 etc too, not just pc, all this info comes direct from my mates who i already says own all the consoles and great pc gaming rigs too, plus all the latest games.

Oh, and then on gta 4, wow, the graphics are just "stunning" on a pc equipped with a good cpu and graphics card like mines (i7 cpu) and nvidia gtx 295) , the graphics a breathtaking infact, i asked my mates thier opinions on this game on consoles and they says again that the graphics on console versions cant touch the graphics on my pc, they did say however that the gameplay is a bit better on the consoles, well until you learn how to use the pc controls that is,

phewww, that was like typing a book, , iam on my lappy just now, hate dam lappys.

[Raven]

Well I'm sorry but your mates are wrong, you should play Fifa on console for yourself mate as the console games are different than the PC version....like I said there's about 30 people on the PC Fifa forums moaning about Fifa PC being inferior for every 1 of your mates that say otherwise - which is why you should check out these things for yourself rather than base an entire argument on second hand knowledge.

[Saltire]

dont need to mate, my mates are a very good source of info, i would trust them before some of them dummies on fifa forums, ive been a member on that forum since day 1, couple of good guys but mostly all dumb.

how long have you been playing fifa by the way ?? ive had fifa ever year since its day of release away back in the old days, infact i go buy it on day of its release evey year, iam what you call an oldie gamer, been there, seen it all and then done it all again for the sake of it, first computer was back in spectrum days, then had allsorts since then, but thats another long winded story.

[Raven]

With all due respect mate, you aren't listening to what I'm actually saying and you are blatantly refusing to face the fact of reality meaning that you refuse to play Fifa on the PS3 or 360 because I think you quite simply KNOW it's the superior version compared to the PC version but you are obviously refusing to admit defeat on this one despite the fact that you are wrong to say that the latest Fifa games are superior on the PC when in fact they are anything but....like I said the latest Fifa games on PC are ports of the PS2 versions - as has always been the case....whereas the PS3 and 360 versions of Fifa are proper next gen presentation and gameplay and this is a fact.

Pro Evo Soccer on the other hand is a different story as that looks and plays the same on PC as it does on PS3 as it's the same game and a decent port - Fifa like I said is a different game alltogether on PC and a crap port aswell and is therefore dogshit like I said originally - that's just my opinion, but the rest of what I said is a simple fact - which you'd realise if you wern't such a PC fanboy, no offense.

You can think you are right all day long and you will, that's fine.....but until you see for yourself regarding Fifa on PS3/360 vs PC then you haven't even got an argument because there is no base for your opinion except in your mind and your assumptions - and this is why I am respectfully telling you that you are quite simply wrong regarding Fifa. End of story, and if you won't take my word for it, then I implore you to see for yourself, but if you won't do this then you haven't got a leg to stand on in the argument so to speak. Mind you, you haven't anyhow because the fact is regarding Fifa you are wrong and I am right, sounds arrogant but that's just the way that it is quite simply.

Fact is, I'm trying to be nice about this....and the fact is I can see parts of your arguments about PC vs Console and I mostly agree, but the fact is you are making zero attempt to see my perspective or to prove me wrong and yourself correct (which in this case is impossible) but you seem to be going out of your way to resist my arguments, except mine is based on fact regarding Fifa whereas yours is based on assumption. Fact vs assumption - which one wins ? Fact wins every time my friend.

[Saltire]

i will never agree with you, so no sense in going on in this thread any longer and wasting my time and yours and boring the breasts off others looking on.

iam tired of it, was funny for a bit, just boring now.

Mods/admin, feel free to close my thread/this thread, the original subject about problems in gta4 was answered ages ago, not much sense adding anymore here, unless someone else wants to add anything ? i doubt it.

[Saltire]

@ raven, , update.

just to add, ive just been in contact with more of my friends on fifa, these people have been playing fifa for years n years like myself, and they have both versions, pc and ps3, i asked them thier opinions on this subject and believe it or not they all said better overall on pc although the ps3 versions has some functions the pc version doesnt which they liked, but at same time the pc version also has functions the ps3 version doesnt, but they agreed overall fifa09 on pc is much better, and 1 thing that makes it really stand head over heels above the console versions is the graphics, poor on ps3, amzing on pc, i have these peoples usernames for fifa online if you would like to ask them personally, i have been playing these people for many years as i said, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, .

edit ::> just been told the only thing fifa09 on ps3 has in its favour is it appears to play online games smoother with no lag etc, but thats down to the game servers, so thats not even anything to do with the actual game, .

[Raven]

Based purely on this thread I see Thomson is talking crap as ever then....mate need I remind you that this thread started by you coming in asking for help with GTAIV issues and yet you never even gave any specifics in the first place - I didn't want to say anything then but that made you look abit of an idiot....and now you expect to be taken at your word as if you know what you are talking about ? And you base your whole argument not off fact, what you know or general public opinion, but what your mates say

There's obviously no changing your mind, but I know for a fact I'm correct and you are wrong whereas you can't truthfully say the same thing - so think what you want but if you think Fifa's superior on PC then you're wrong and if you're basing it not off your own knowledge but what someone else supposedly says then you make yourself look a complete idiot to be totally honest. I take it you're an ungrateful sod aswell then, because I tried to help you originally and in the first place, but you've been an ignorant sod all along....so this is the lip you give me in return for trying to help you out eh - all because you are a fanboy that hates being told he is wrong. Sorry but you are. End of.

And you can go bollocks from now on if you think I'm going to help get you out of the shit again. I don't have the time or the patience for ungrateful people and their ignorance.

Oh and if you have anything more to add or say to me then let's see you PM it to me. I doubt you will. This thread should be closed.