weres the cheapest place to buy uncharted 2

[calvin plummer]

At some point you might like to try reading what I said rather than holding an imaginary dialogue in your head. I'll try to simplify for you. I'm not arguing the 360 is better, its not (apart from live on occasion), i'm not defending halo - I agreed with you since when have sales figures meant quality? Thats your arguement for killzone being better than halo, by your logic then the 360 must be better than the ps3 i'm not saying uncharted is a bad game, just that I think its over rated. Obviously you know more than fumitsu as well, or is it just you haven't actually read it. Ignorance is bliss in fan boy world. I just love good games on any platform and since when does post count equate to how valid somebodys opinion is? I've actually found everybody to be very helpful and kind since i've visited here. You're the first to puff his little chest out

[Raven]

At some point you might like to try reading what I said rather than holding an imaginary dialogue in your head. I'll try to simplify for you. I'm not arguing the 360 is better, its not (apart from live on occasion), i'm not defending halo - I agreed with you since when have sales figures meant quality? Thats your arguement for killzone being better than halo, by your logic then the 360 must be better than the ps3 i'm not saying uncharted is a bad game, just that I think its over rated. Obviously you know more than fumitsu as well, or is it just you haven't actually read it. Ignorance is bliss in fan boy world. I just love good games on any platform and since when does post count equate to how valid somebodys opinion is? I've actually found everybody to be very helpful and kind since i've visited here. You're the first to puff his little chest out

At some point you might like to read my post again, you aren't fooling anyone pal, not least of which fooling me....I see your type every day on other forums and on the internet in general and so I know exactly what you were trying to say and especially in the context you meant it in - you were only posting to cause an argument/offense - to which end you obviously succeeded so well done....and if you claim otherwise you're a stone faced liar, otherwise your initial post wouldn't have simply said "overrated, buy bayonetta or sf4!" and you wouldn't have chosen to ignore or play dumb to every point I made against you and your opinion in the last post, just because you know I'm right, the fact is you're just a condescending nob to be quite honest, and I'll give you another tip, in case you don't realize it, it's in the little things you say that gives you away.....take a look at the last line of your last post for proof.

Oh and the reason I brought sales into it, besides the fact that Xbox fanboys love to talk about sales when it suits them, is because I was making the point that Halo sold many more copies on the 360 than Killzone2 did on the PS3 so how can Killzone2 be as overrated as Halo ? In short, it can't be. Because it sold a lot less copies than Halo did. And if you read my post properly, which you obviously didn't, you'd know I didn't say sales meant quality or that sales were the reason for Halo being better than Killzone, which isn't what you actually said there - you actually said the opposite in the post I quoted, now how can your accusation of me saying Killzone2 is better than Halo because of sales be correct when the fact is Killzone2 sold a lot less than Halo did ? Exactly. Get it right. What I said is simple to fathom, Halo is crap and highly overrated. Killzone2 isn't anywhere near as bad or even half as overrated. And that's invalidated your point straight away hasn't it ? Certainly has. Something I do regularly by the looks of things, hence why you're acting like a condescending tosser and for the record that's not an insult, that's a fact. Because you clearly can't win any other way.

Proof's in the pudding anyway, ask yourself the question how wise it is barely 10 posts in to start pissing off a respected member of the community, and most of them 10 posts were purely written to cause offense. I'm only biting because I've nowt better to do and because you need putting in your place before you even start, but you must be thick if you think people don't realize what you're up to. Because take it from me, you ain't too subtle. And from the looks of things, no offense but you don't look to be too bright either. And you are definitely in the minority that say Uncharted2 is overrated, I bet you haven't even played it to be quite honest, because 99.9% of people that have played it either love it because it's an excellent game, or at the very least can see why it's so well liked and can see that it's a great game but it just isn't their cup of tea - although to be honest, I cannot see what's not to like about Uncharted2 and how any gamer could possibly dislike the game - unless they are 360 fanboys in truth, because that would explain a lot.....jealous fits because it's not on their console and they can't play it.

[calvin plummer]

I'll try again. I think its overrated, not a bad game, I play far more on my ps3 than my 360, actually more on my ps2 than my 360. Persona4 was a magnificent swan song. Perhaps my initial post was too glib for that I apologise but I stand by my statement that sf4 & bayonetta are better games. Why not just say could you explain your perspective instead of launching into a fanboy rant. You can insult all you like, but I won't join. show me another post from me apart from my 'debate' with you where I have upset anybody. So far your respect has illicited little support. killzone is just to drab & fps by the numbers for me. Graphics have never been an important concern when I judge a game, innovation is. Killzone and uncharted don't. I've been playing games for a long time and I like creativity. Take okami, genius to me, because it offered something new. Anyway i'll leave it here for now unless you actually want to debate a games merits rather than flame. Peace

[Raven]

Perhaps my initial post was too glib for that I apologise but I stand by my statement that sf4 & bayonetta are better games.

Can't see how that works out in your mind, but you are entitled to your opinion, no argument from me on that one if that's your opinion because that's your entitlement, just don't act like it's a fact because it isn't and just know you're on your own on that one pretty much. As long as you acknowledge that then there's no problem.

Why not just say could you explain your perspective instead of launching into a fanboy rant. You can insult all you like, but I won't join. show me another post from me apart from my 'debate' with you where I have upset anybody.

Come on, you must know how your initial post and indeed all of your posts including the one I'm quoting from in this thread you must have known how they'd come across and in what context they'd be taken in, after all that's precisely why you posted it and that's also why you keep posting. Don't think I didn't notice how you once again chose to ignore the body of what I was saying and focus on not even 1 line of insult.....having trouble proving a point ? If you're wondering why I'm still being like this, it's because I don't buy your sudden attitude change - I think you knew all along what you were saying and now you're attempting somewhat of a back peddle because I've just pretty much ripped your posts apart and exposed you. Again it's in the little things you say. You aren't fooling anyone. And I apologize for calling you a tosser and a nob, no excuse for it but I hold my hands up, shouldn't have done it. But personally I don't feel I have you down wrong. And if you wish to play that game, then why couldn't you just have said personally I prefer SF4 and Bayonetta, see it swings both ways matey.

See if you had shown any respect in your initial post, you could have avoided all this....but no, you wanted it, that's why you posted disrespectfully and continue to do so condescendingly.....you try to come across as righteous but I can see right through you. And it's simple, if you post for an argument then expect one.

[calvin plummer]

By the by I quoted you probably the two most respected independant sources for games who share my opinion.....you ignored that. Anyway handshake time I think because you at least have something interesting to say even if I don't agree with 90% of it

[Raven]

You keep mentioning those review sites Famitsu and another one I can't remember which, what point were you making there again ? Because I can point you to Metacritic and show you Uncharted 2's average rating and many great review number versus SF4 and Bayonetta's average rating - I think you'll notice a large difference - oh and if you're 2 sites are both Japanese, because Famitsu is for sure, if Bayonetta and SF4 are rated higher than Uncharted2 there then it's obvious why - those games appeal more to the Japanese audience......but it doesn't prove whatever point it is you were trying to make.

If you don't agree with 90% of what I say then there's only 1 reason, it's because you hate to be wrong as a matter of fact, which is what you are....the next move you'll make will be to use the personal opinion card, which you should have done in the first place to avoid all this crap - but like I said, you knew all along what you were doing....

[calvin plummer]

I'll ignore you racist comment as I imagine you're just too stupid to understand about cultural generalisations and sterotypes but for the record the other is english but again you betray your ignorance. I'm not interested in metacritic, it's loaded with sites that derive their income from advertising from games companies (I used to work for one but again no doubt you obviously know best).

I've tried to apologise, tried to make up, offered you my hand but you still sulk like a little bitch, no wonder I've had some interesting PMs (which strangely show none of the respect you think others hold you in ) about you. Anyway I'm out, take your toys, put them back in your pram and go back to the bubble you live in. I'm not surprised you have so much time to post here, I can't imagine you have any real friends.

It's why your ego is so closely intertwined with the PS3, there just is nothing meaningful in your life. Any preceived attack on the PS is a personal attack on you. Little childish teenage fanboys like you are the problem with gaming and why it's never taken seriously. I really do pity you. You can't debtate you only flame, as you have done over and over. Congrats I've been dragged down to your level, anyway I'm off back to the real world - you enjoy playing with your gun collection ;-) you can post as much as you like after, you won't get a reply, you just aren't worth it as I've been advised on more than one occasion. Kissed and hugs

[Raven]

With that post alone you just proved every single point that I made....well, that was fun. You never know, you might do a little better next time. Especially if you have factual points to make instead of bullcrap statements. Unless you'd like to name names with your supposed PM's ? Because if anyone has a problem with me then they can have the common decency to come to me with it and say it directly to me then can't they - but until that happens I maintain that you and your statements are full of crap - much like when you started that post by trying to say I made racist remarks. LOL! There's a word for people like you, besides liar, and that is that you are nothing more than a shit stirrer. End of story. But I'd be telling lies if I said I didn't have fun in proving that you're full of it. I'll give you that though, at least you practice what you preach.

The fact is I do hold respect in very high regard, as many people on here know that if they are respectful to me then I'm respectful to them. But as soon as someone like yourself decides they want to try and take me on, then the gloves come off and I can do this lark with the best of them. In other words I don't take shit from anyone. Especially from newbies who think they're something special and yet haven't contributed ~~~~ all to the site or to the community except to spout bullcrap because they've nowt better to do. Not saying I don't do my fair share of talking bollocks , but at least you don't and won't find me going around looking to cause trouble just because I'm bored. And that's the big difference between you and me, besides the fact that I base my opinion on the facts and you clearly don't, but that's another story matey.

Since you spectacularly imploded when I turned up the heat a little bit, because you couldn't win right from the start, I'll end it here for you and say if you have anything else you wish to say to me, then you can PM me with it. Pointless beating a dead horse at this point but you can please yourself if you're that way out.

[krazylegz]

I'll ignore you racist comment as

i dont see any racist comment there