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works every time 4x and verifys
kprobe means jack
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Go argue with Ubergeek on TX forums about that. But obviously you know more than him? or Team Xecuter + C4Eva?
KProbe tells you the quality of your burns. Games can still verify but be out of tollerence margins. If they are out of spec, i have found boxes will struggle with XDG3 games.sigpic
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Clearly C4E and virtually the entire xbox community are wrong about this and you are right. Reminds me of the story of a mother watching her son's army 'passing out' parade - "Look at our Jimmy!" said the mother, "he's the only one in step!"
As an example, I have just burned Lego LOTR (xdg3) this afternoon, 100% burn and 100% verify in imgburn, Nero: PIF max 41 ave 0.83, PIE max 4 ave 0.01. A decent burn you would think - put it in xbox, it says 'play game' but when you try to it comes up "unreadable disc-try cleaning etc". This is a box with a brand new drive that I have test installed over 20 games on in the past 24hrs (so not a laser problem). Just proves that simply because a disc appears to burn OK does not mean it will work.Comment
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I didn't say do not run them through abgx360??? Of course you run them through abgx360 then burn them.
But i have burnt loads of discs that haven't verified and they have all loaded first time.
So its a fact that it doesn't matter verifying 100% so long as the burn is 100%.
If you game didn't load i would look at replacing your laser..Last edited by ron292001; 20 November, 2012, 17:35.Comment
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Verifiying through IMGBURN does not matter, however as they failing tells me that laser in the drive is going, no the xbox.
Could be bad media also. Kprobe helps you diagnose burn issues and come within tolerences set by those who made the firmwaresigpic
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I made no reference to abgx, that is a different matter altogether. Your contention was that testing using kprobe or nero does not matter - that was what my post was about.
Cunny - its not a laser issue, its a brand new liteon drive only fitted yesterday, and as I said, it read/installed over 20 games with no problems. The problem is that its either bad media (its a verb MKM003,but maybe justa bad one) or the PIE 'spike' of 4 is at a particularly important part of the disc.
Either way, it shows that just because a game burns OK it may still not work, that was my basic point.Comment
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Felix i was refering to OP not your posts
We all know games can seem to burn ok but not run, its always happened with the 360, esp with poor media.
How ever in OP case, they dont run and fail to verify, with verbs, my 1st bet is drive laser, not the xbox laser.
Check burns with KPROBE (yes it works) and you will know. You could buy some more verbs to be sure alsosigpic
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well if burns and verifys and u get disc unreadable its ur laser as i found this out myself replacd my hitachi wi a new liteon never had a problem again and also i got failed at 50% burn b4 i used settings i metioned above use aone gold and verbs both work perfectComment
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We seem to have drifted away from the point of the discussion, which was whether it is important to check burns thru kprobe/nero or not.
I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say 'verifys' - I'm assuming you mean imgburn verify (which is unimportant) or maybe you mean abgx verify? (burned disc).
In the case I mentioned before I'm presuming it was just a bad disc, as I burned another and it worked fine. Its not a laser problem - as I said, ive just burned/tested 20 games for my nephews xmas present, 19 installed to the hard drive, only 1 did not, so its not the laser in either the PC or xbox - just an odd bad disc.
Final word on the issue we began debating (kprobe or not kprobe) After having some problems with burns I decided to keep a record of all my xdg3 burns, nero results and whether the game installed to the xbox HDD to see if I could see any 'trends'. I have a list of 60 burns now and with one or two exceptions, burns that scored <90 on nero often had problems installing to HDD, sometimes you would get 'unredable disc' right away, others would get part way thru instaslling then come up with 'unreadable disc'.
Before you leap to your keyboard, it is NOT the laser in the xbox or the PC, games that scored 90 or above all worked fine (with the exception of that one copy of LOTR that I mentioned). So it is my opinion that there is a relatioship betwenn poor kprobe/nero scores and disc read errors.Comment
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Out of curiousity, could you pm me the list?
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Difficult!, I stated out with a small card on which I listed a few burns, then when the card was full, I started another, then another - now I have a small stack of cards on my desk with the details of over 60 burns on them!
I didn't intend to keep on recording the info, but then I found it useful to see the effects of, for example, clearing OPC and power cycling when burn quality was deteriorating (as per nero scores).
Couple of things I found interesting were that if a burn scored low (say 77 on nero) it often worked OK if the score was due to a single 'spike' of maybe 6 or 7, usually at the layer break. Whereas if the score was low due to a number of spikes (or the PIE ave was high) it invariably would not work. I should say that all these burns bar none burned 100% Ok and verfifed thru both imgburn and abgx (they looked like good burns)
My records do suggest that (as I have said) there is a clear correlation between poor nero/kprobe results and discs that fail when tried in the xbox. NOTE: If it was a laser issue then some of the high scoring burns would also fail in the xbox - but none of them did, they all read/installed fine.Comment
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Have you ran these discs in question through kprobe looking at the guidelines posted?
PI MAX should be 100 or less & PI Average should be 5 or less
PIF MAX should be 4 or less & PIF Average should be 0.20 or less
Nero Score should be no less than 90
I found that when my lasers in burners were packing in, i got poor kprobe results, say PI max of 400+ (with verbs) but PIF were 8 ish, which is still high. But these were happening on every burn, hence laser packed in.
I have been keeping an eye out for replacement lasers but not come accross any as of yet, just glad i bought 5 burners when they were discontinued
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As I've said, I don't use kprobe, I prefer to use Nero DiscSpeed which does basically the same job. All these burns were tested this way with the guidelines you mentioned in mind. That's why I kept the records, to look at the PIF and PIE results to look for 'trends'.
Originally, I fell into the trap of thinking that when results were getting poorer it was the drive (laser). Hence why I now have 3 124b drives sitting out back, I replaced them thinking the laser must be going. Not so, after reading hundreds of threads on different sites I realised that there was nothing wrong with the drive, It was messing with the settings that was causing the problem.
When I started keeping the records it was to test the theory that leaving the settings alone and letting smartburn do its stuff the drive would eventually 'learn' how to burn the type of disc correctly. OK, it cost me a few coasters but once the drive 'llearned' - burn quality stabalised. Ive been using the same ihas drive for some time now without problems.
Having said all that, the most important comment I read was from Lightening UK (author of imgburn) who pointed out that the burner max fw is asking the drive and the media to do something they were not designed for - ie overburning a DL disc, so you should expect a few problems. Most of the problems I havew encountered have been due to the media - not the drive itself.Comment
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We all know games can seem to burn ok but not run, its always happened with the 360
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