why is the console getting banned and not the gamertag

[qqqqriverbeast]

does anyone know why the console is being banned and not the gamertag.

i hear that a chip on the board is the culprit for the bans, detecting modded drives and highlighting this as soon as a connection to live is made. (prior to logging the gamertag info). therfore microshat dont know whose gamertags have been banned

if this is the case could it not be possible to change the detection flag and unban the console...

it has been winding me up for the last few days and im hoping someone could explain

[micpuk]

does anyone know why the console is being banned and not the gamertag.

i hear that a chip on the board is the culprit for the bans, detecting modded drives and highlighting this as soon as a connection to live is made. (prior to logging the gamertag info). therfore microshat dont know whose gamertags have been banned

if this is the case could it not be possible to change the detection flag and unban the console...

it has been winding me up for the last few days and im hoping someone could explain

All your consoles information is stored on the NAND Flash chip on the console. When you sign in to Live it send information about you, games you've played and other little bits to Microsoft.

They don't ban the Gamertag so you can use it on other consoles (should you buy another console) it's clever really, this way there almost tempting you to buy another console.

C4eva (the creator of the iXtreme FW) says that MS can't detect the FW on the drive but nobody is sure of these bans. Although, should you play a bad back-up this will be stored in the NAND Flash and when the information is sent to Microsoft they can see that everything isn't all "okay" with your console.

There are many explanations but this the most simple and easiest one I can give you mate.

[qqqqriverbeast]

so i am right in one way, if they can reflash the nand chip it
could remove the ban.

i can see a drop of second hand sales coming from game etc over the next few weeks

[micpuk]

so i am right in one way, if they can reflash the nand chip it
could remove the ban.

i can see a drop of second hand sales coming from game etc over the next few weeks

There has been people over on XBOXScene talking about this and they have successfully done it but you have to have your console on a certain version for it to work.

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It's complicated and involves a lot of stuff that basic people wouldn't be able to do. So until an easier way comes out I'm guess there just stuck.

[cgscott]

One guy in america claiming he can unban any console. Yet to see proof of this.
There is homebrew for other older boards which can do a lot more than this.

In theory if you could reset the nand chip providing this is what stores the ban information then that would be logical.

[qqqqriverbeast]

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i cant get access to it, it is throwing an sql error from there end.

it sounds pretty interesting though.... looks like my winter nights are getting interesting.

[chroma]

You could in theory unban a box buts its "economicaly unviable."

The problem is you need to clone the details of another box, so you would need another box in the first place, then you would need to buy (or make) the cabling to allow you to both retrieve the numbers from one box and alter the banned boxes serials.

Take the original Xbox, when you logged to live the system scanned the hard drive serial and the eeprom serial then checked those off on the accounts database.
If either missmatched then it was certain that the box had been modified (either a new hard drive or bios was installed) this resulted in a ban.
The genius of this should be apparent, if you reflash your eeprom with a different serial the system still checked off the hard drive serial and saw an existing ban so it banned you again.
The only way around it was to alter both and make a brand new live account.

The problem with that setup is that it didnt allow for removable hard drives like the 360 does, on the 360 if you remove the drive your not technicy modifying your box.

The only other way i can think of to keep this system running is to use other set numbers, like the cpuid (this stores data about your processor, like serial number, manufacturer, instrction set availability and such) the machines hardware MAC address, RAMDAC, drive firmware serials, console ID, console Serial number etc.

Id personaly make heavy use of the CPUID, its very easy to use with some inline assembly so getting the details out at any time isnt an issue and the only way to change these numbers is by completely replacing the processor or by using a seriously complicated modchip to temporarily bybass access to the eax register. (read: expensive and unreliable)
As far as im aware everything else on the board can be overwritten via flash with a simple JTAG.

Suffice it to say, all the serial numbers on the board can be changed by an end user whos desperate enough.
This doesnt cover the broblem of what to change them too, presumably microsoft has a database of all serial combinations as they come off the assembly line, so checking for a genuine box thats attempting to connect should rock solid, meaning you would need to get hold of another box to clone.

This would be easy if you could get the numbers off a dead box but in most cases this is not possible, so even if you had a unit that RROD'd it would still essentialy be useless.

The only other way i can think of to get hold of numbers is to figure out the combinations comming off the assembly line(by testing hundreds of boxes to figure out the pattern) and write up a keygen that follows the formula, meaning that once your unit gets banned this time, some other poor sod with the legal original box (whos numbers youve now cloned) would get booted too.

All in all though it would generaly cost more to unban a box than it would to just replace it.
You wold need to shell out on an unbanned box, the jtags required to read and write, the expense of a modchip and then invest time into hacking the shit out of the banned unit.

[dctyper]

all this bother to play a game eh? do you know how much effort i put in? i send the wife to the shop. when she returns, i play the game, yey no bother

[qqqqriverbeast]

i have two boxes one for each purpose, it aint the issue of playing online that interests me, its the battle between knowing what is capable or relying on others for advice.

i also have the model 2.1 wife who gliches quite a lot and has moments of random access, once in a while she boots up ok and i can get her to run the shop command,,,,