Which wall bracket should I get?

[wilf]

the size of bracket should do fine, apply them k at the bottom and t at the top. check with a compass where due south is 1st, but as a rule obsticle wise if the building or tree is 20 foot high then you need to be 40 foot away to be sure to get a good signal over it. Theres a few good guides to setting up in the red stickies at the top of satellite section

[SteveCrossX]

the size of bracket should do fine, apply them k at the bottom and t at the top. check with a compass where due south is 1st, but as a rule obsticle wise if the building or tree is 20 foot high then you need to be 40 foot away to be sure to get a good signal over it. Theres a few good guides to setting up in the red stickies at the top of satellite section

OK, thanks for that! Why are you talking about feet though? Apart from this measurement system, I don't see how I can measure the height. What I can do is judge the angle of elevation from where the dish will be installed to where the tops of the trees are. I'll have to look up the angle of elevation for 1 degree west. I'll have a look at the red stickies as well. It would feel like a big achievement to get 1 degree west and have access to original Scandinavian programming. Some people reading this may like to know there's an archive of Danish TV programmes on Forside - dr.dk/Bonanza .

[Elric]

goto dishpointer.com and put your postcode or addy in
then the drop down box underneath to where you put your
addy or postcode highlite 0.8W intelsat

[SteveCrossX]

goto dishpointer.com and put your postcode or addy in
then the drop down box underneath to where you put your
addy or postcode highlite 0.8W intelsat

I've done that now, but I don't really understand what it's trying to tell me with the green line and circular blob.

[Elric]

I've done that now, but I don't really understand what it's trying to tell me with the green line and circular blob.

thats the clear line of sight and the blob you move that to where your house or where the dish is gonna be and select which sats you can get

[wilf]

OK, thanks for that! Why are you talking about feet though? .

because thats what i grew up with and i will go down with it too, in a 5 foot 9 inch box

[SteveCrossX]

Of course, I'm attempting something I've never tried before, out of sheer financial necessity, so I hope people realise this, bear with me, and don't call me thick or tell me I may as well give up.

As everyone reading this should know by now, I bought the T&K brackets from Maplin which were recommended earlier on in this thread. Unfortunately, they seems to have come without anything to fix it onto my wall, which I expected to have been supplied. What kind of nuts and bolts, or whatever else do I need to fix this to my brick wall by my windows?

I also need to buy a ladder to get up to the first floor in order to drill holes into the wall. I'll be going up onto a flat roof above a shop. I'm not sure what kind of ladder to get. I can ask at a hardware shop a couple of doors down, but I'm worried that my lack of knowledge will encourage them to rip me off.

BTW, I've borrowed an old drill, which I hope is suitable for this kind of job. It's a Black & Decker, which I've been told is about 30 years old. It's light blue with an orange flex, the same as all drills I've seen satellite installers use. I'm not sure if it says anywhere what model it is. It comes with a few different drill bits, but I still wonder if it's suitable for drilling a hole through about 30-40cm of brick wall for the cables to go through. In any case, none of the drill bits supplied are thick enough to make a hole wide enough for 3 or 4 cables to go through.

[dick b]

for your T&Ks you will need the following a 10mm masonary drill,10mm plasplugs,60mm m8 coach bolts(check they are good ones as the heads come off cheapies)and some penny washers for between the bolt heads and the mount.drill your holes into the brick not the mortar. you will also need a couple of "U" brackets to secure the mounting pole to the T&Ks.
the ladder has to be long enough to extend at least a foot over the top of the flat roof with the correct distance from the wall at the bottom,if in doubt you will have to ask.
an 8mm hole will take one cable(its a snug fit) or I drill a 10mm one as that will take a cable/hole tidy on the inside of the wall,you drill these holes through the mortar.if you want to put multible cables through at one spot you can either drill a seperate hole for each one or as you say one big one either way you will need suitable drill bits at least 300mm long to go through a cavity wall.doesnt matter how old the drill is as long as it works and has a hammer function(you can manage without but its a struggle)What stb do you have?
PS I"d try and put it on a southish facing wall if at all possible.

[SteveCrossX]

for your T&Ks you will need the following a 10mm masonary drill,10mm plasplugs,60mm m8 coach bolts(check they are good ones as the heads come off cheapies)and some penny washers for between the bolt heads and the mount.drill your holes into the brick not the mortar. you will also need a couple of "U" brackets to secure the mounting pole to the T&Ks.
the ladder has to be long enough to extend at least a foot over the top of the flat roof with the correct distance from the wall at the bottom,if in doubt you will have to ask.
an 8mm hole will take one cable(its a snug fit) or I drill a 10mm one as that will take a cable/hole tidy on the inside of the wall,you drill these holes through the mortar.if you want to put multible cables through at one spot you can either drill a seperate hole for each one or as you say one big one either way you will need suitable drill bits at least 300mm long to go through a cavity wall.doesnt matter how old the drill is as long as it works and has a hammer function(you can manage without but its a struggle)What stb do you have?
PS I"d try and put it on a southish facing wall if at all possible.

Thanks for this information! I'm just trying to make sense of it all. I was trying to identify what a masonry drill looks like, so I did an image search on Google and all the pics that came up were of drill bits, not the drills themselves. Is that what you mean? I think I may have to upload a pic of the drill onto this thread to check if it's suitable. I haven't got a manual for the drill and I don't know if it's got a hammer function. Please tell me what an stb is. I've got a mate visiting me not long after 5PM today, but I'm getting worried I won't have bought whatever I need before he comes, then I'll have to do all this myself, because I may not have anyone else to help me. The walls available to me face roughly east and west. I plan to install the dish onto the west facing wall above a road, instead of the east facing wall at the back of the building. There are lots of other dishes on the front of buildings in this road and another mate explained to me that this is the only way I stand a chance of picking up 1 degree west.

[dick b]

STB is set top box (your reciever) www. dishpointer.com may help with your dish positioning its difficult to say long distance where it should go.I meant the bit itself when I said masonry drill.this will fit into the electric drill which should have a hammer function.I"v sent a couple of shots of a T&K mounted dish so you can see what they look like this one is on a southish facing wall so gave no problems,if you have to go over the gutter to see the sats you want you would need a longer pole with the motor mounted above the brackets,when its done like that most put the "K" bracket at the bottom but its not essential,have at least 18" between them.If you are unsure about what you are doing wait until you fully understand whats needed but if you take your time all should be ok.if the dishes on the front of buildings in your road are on your side and not opposite they will be getting 28.2 E so if you use Satellite Finder / Dish Pointing Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com you can put the marker on the wall of your flat and put 1w thor in the sat box and it should tell you if your line of sight is ok.

[SteveCrossX]

STB is set top box (your reciever) www. dishpointer.com may help with your dish positioning its difficult to say long distance where it should go.I meant the bit itself when I said masonry drill.this will fit into the electric drill which should have a hammer function.I"v sent a couple of shots of a T&K mounted dish so you can see what they look like this one is on a southish facing wall so gave no problems,if you have to go over the gutter to see the sats you want you would need a longer pole with the motor mounted above the brackets,when its done like that most put the "K" bracket at the bottom but its not essential,have at least 18" between them.If you are unsure about what you are doing wait until you fully understand whats needed but if you take your time all should be ok.if the dishes on the front of buildings in your road are on your side and not opposite they will be getting 28.2 E so if you use Satellite Finder / Dish Pointing Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com you can put the marker on the wall of your flat and put 1w thor in the sat box and it should tell you if your line of sight is ok.

Thanks for this! I still haven't bought the nuts and bolts, though. Do you know roughly what the total cost of them will be? I missed my chance of getting my visitor to help me while he was here. Someone else is now available to help me, though. My current receiver is an Echostar DVR-5000, which I bought in 2003, has served me well, and still works. At the moment I've got some stuff stored on its hard drive which I need to watch. I'm not sure which new satelite receiver I may get in the near future, especially as I don't yet know if I can do this installation. I notice that Technomate receivers are now very popular, though. If I succeed, then that could be my new career, or even one of three different things I could be doing. Do you think I need a stud finder to avoid drilling through anything I must avoid when drilling into or through the wall? I think someone told me there wouldn't be anything in that wall, but I don't see how they'd know that.

[dick b]

A fiver should more than cover half a dozen coach bolts wall plugs and washers.there should not be any thing buried in the bricks them selves and you will not be drilling right through them to fix the mount.but only you would know(or the builder) if your likely to hit anything when you drill for the cable access,if the stucture is 9" solid brick there will be no cavity so unlikely to be a problem.a stud/cable finder wont penetrate 4 inches of brick anyway they are only of use through plaster.I cant advise on what box to buy as it depends on exactly what you want to recieve.

[SteveCrossX]

A fiver should more than cover half a dozen coach bolts wall plugs and washers.there should not be any thing buried in the bricks them selves and you will not be drilling right through them to fix the mount.but only you would know(or the builder) if your likely to hit anything when you drill for the cable access,if the stucture is 9" solid brick there will be no cavity so unlikely to be a problem.a stud/cable finder wont penetrate 4 inches of brick anyway they are only of use through plaster.I cant advise on what box to buy as it depends on exactly what you want to recieve.

So, I notice you've greatly simplified the description of the list of things I need to buy. The original list and lack of amounts confused me, but now it's just "half a dozen coach bolts, wall plugs, and washers". Is that all I need? What about the plasplugs and how many?

As for any future receiver, I'm interested in watching channels from across Europe in almost any language, but particularly German, French, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Polish. I'm not interested in sports. From reading recent issues of "What Satellite & Digital TV" I know there are now HD 3D receivers and new standards such as DVB-S2, as well as channels compressed in MPEG4. I used to read a lot about enthusiasts of the German dBox designed for Premiere pay TV, but capable of receiving just about any channels and so much better than a Sky Digibox. There were also similar Nokia receivers not badged as a dBox. I see there are quite a few of these for sale at reasonable prices and with new software installed on eBay - eine der gr??ten deutschen Shopping-Websites and eBay - eine der gr??ten ?sterreichischen Shopping-Websites , so I may get one of those, although of course they're not HD or 3D. I'm not sure if people talk about these receivers on here.

I used to read the satellite news (in German) on 3Sat teletext, which I've just found is still available on the page http://www.3sat.de/page/?source=/3vt_index_solo.html . You type 718 in the search box, then get a list of clickable links for the pages indexed to that page number.

[dick b]

So, I notice you've greatly simplified the description of the list of things I need to buy. The original list and lack of amounts confused me, but now it's just "half a dozen coach bolts, wall plugs, and washers". Is that all I need? What about the plasplugs and how many?

all you have to do is count the holes in the T&K brackets you will need 1 coach bolt 1 penny washer and 1 wall plug(plasplug) for each hole.To be honest I"d consider getting a professional installer in to it for you.

[SteveCrossX]

all you have to do is count the holes in the T&K brackets you will need 1 coach bolt 1 penny washer and 1 wall plug(plasplug) for each hole.To be honest I"d consider getting a professional installer in to it for you.

OK, thanks for that! The number of holes is 6, but they're not circular, shaped sort of like some Paracetamol tablets rounded at each end only longer. I wonder if this means I should buy 12 of everything instead of 6. Obviously, if I ask at the shop, they'll say 12 so they can make more money.

After various delays, I now plan to do it tomorrow, Sunday 28-08-11. I can't get a professional installer to do it for me because it would cost about ?150, which I can't possibly afford. If I succeed, then this could also be my new career.

BTW, if any professional installers are reading this and would like to know how to survive as well as how to be paid for their services if money becomes worthless in the near future, please contact me, then I'll explain it all to you in exchange for the dish installation!