spiderbox 9900 motorising problems

[spudorange]

Hi am installing a dish and seem to be having problems getting ANY OTHER sat apart from the one I setup on. (1.0 west)

The box was already working on an old setup using 1.2 but needed slight tweaking with new setup via remote to get thor.

Here is the is the problem.

I set it pointing south at the usual 54deg and about 22deg but could not lock on using my horizon meter, pulling top of dish backwards
towards me & the wall changed incline to about 32deg causing meter to show 2%, I then rotated and got 97% and a good picture.

When I send it to 28.2 for instance I get no signal and, as it turns, the top of the dish leans forward to level or minus a few degrees,
sending further east sends the top even further forward of the bottom, making it about minus 20 degrees which is obviously wrong.

The neighbours is 22 degrees on thor and he gets everything
Mine is more likely around 32 degrees and can only get thor.

In motor setup signal is strong, but if I change from disqec 1.2 to usals my signal drops straight off and I lose the channels.

I have tried for ages to get a signal with the dish inclined to 22 degrees and can get no signal on meter AT ALL.

I know I have got it wrong but not sure what

glad if you can help.

[mdt]

Hi am installing a dish and seem to be having problems getting ANY OTHER sat apart from the one I setup on. (1.0 west)

The box was already working on an old setup using 1.2 but needed slight tweaking with new setup via remote to get thor.

Here is the is the problem.

I set it pointing south at the usual 54deg and about 22deg but could not lock on using my horizon meter, pulling top of dish backwards
towards me & the wall changed incline to about 32deg causing meter to show 2%, I then rotated and got 97% and a good picture.

When I send it to 28.2 for instance I get no signal and, as it turns, the top of the dish leans forward to level or minus a few degrees,
sending further east sends the top even further forward of the bottom, making it about minus 20 degrees which is obviously wrong.

The neighbours is 22 degrees on thor and he gets everything
Mine is more likely around 32 degrees and can only get thor.

In motor setup signal is strong, but if I change from disqec 1.2 to usals my signal drops straight off and I lose the channels.

I have tried for ages to get a signal with the dish inclined to 22 degrees and can get no signal on meter AT ALL.

I know I have got it wrong but not sure what

glad if you can help.

hi, firstly the dish is supposed to tilt because its following a curve... forget 1.2 and set your box up to use usals and put your lat/long in the reciever. now drive the motor to zero and then tell it to go to 1 west. when its at 1 west on the reciever go outside and peak the signal on bbc world on thor5/6.. when you have found bbc world news nip the nuts up and then send the dish to 42e and then 30w and if your pole is plumb,lat/long are correct and motor lat is correct then it should track the arc correctly. you may need to make very small ajustments L+R on the motor bracket and UP+DOWN on the dish elevation to fine tune it for the weaker sats/txp,s. take your time and you will be fine,regards mdt

[spudorange]

Thanks

I do know the dish has to tilt to track arc

My point in original post is that next door has a dish and it is inclined at 22 degrees, I can not do that with mine if I want a signal.

My lat & long are already in.

When mine rotates it goes way off compared to his next door.

Will try what you suggest but I feel I am still not going to get anything when at zero and inclined at 22 deg

As I have done it umpteen times so far, won't harm to try again

appreciate your time

[digicon]

Thanks

I do know the dish has to tilt to track arc

My point in original post is that next door has a dish and it is inclined at 22 degrees, I can not do that with mine if I want a signal.

My lat & long are already in.

When mine rotates it goes way off compared to his next door.

Will try what you suggest but I feel I am still not going to get anything when at zero and inclined at 22 deg

As I have done it umpteen times so far, won't harm to try again

appreciate your time

I can tell you now not all dish makes are the same and this aslo applies to Diseqc Motor manufaturers.

As an example i have setup at my own property for testing purposes of course Gibertini, Orbital, Triax, Technisat, Fraccaro etc.. and not one of them was identical on the elevation setting all ranged from between 20? - 30? on there own scales.

take the dish elevation with a pinch of salt as your motor could also factor in this as well, as mdt states as long as the correct setting on the motor is used in your case 54? then alter the dish as mdt says until you get a good stable picture on 0.8? west and the rest should fall into place.

Dont get hung up on the Dish readings they are only there to guide you thats all.

Good Luck

[ramjet]

agreed, my triax td110 was about 22 degrees on my motek , 19 on my previous stab and is about 27 on my darkmotor

[spudorange]

thanks guys

will try again today

[spudorange]

Still struggling

firstly I am
putting go to sat position and I get a 80% signal on tv but there seems no way to save it on spiderbox 9900

I have even tried to save it as position 1 but that does not do anything.

After exit I get no signal, changing back to 1.2 I get signal
Changing back to usals I get no signal, changing to goto I get signal, which does not save aagghhh

help please

doing my head in

thanks

[ramjet]

you cannot save a position in usals on a spiderbox, only in diseqc v1.2

in usals you set your location in motor setup using the green button , set long and lat and save it ,and that is all you do, having added a channel list first ,and then send it to 0.8w on bbc world news or btv or the music channel, so it sends the motor to the correct point

now leave it and move the motor and dish elevation only until you get 0.8w, then tighten it up and test other satellites

if you then switch to diseqc v1.2 you adjust using the remote control until you again peak the signal on 0.8w and then save it to the motor

now when you switch from usals and back again the motor should not move

then switch back to usals and check the other sat positions

[spudorange]

Thanks I did all that and now have 90% on usals & 1.2 but when I send it around I lose everything else.

Yo check I sent neighbours one which is 30 feet away, round to 42e and it shows about -22 deg (bottom in)

Sending mine to 42e jams it against the pole and can go no further, way past his inclination of minus 22deg.

So we have two identical systems 30 feet away.

His points around 22 deg, mine points to about 32 deg
His on 42e about -22 deg and perfect. Mine just tilts head over til it hits scaffold bar, hence no picture as incline has to be out.

YET I could not get anything when I have the incline the same has his working system.

I just know it's wrong and getting a strong signal on thor does not help when I move it to another

Happy to go back to square one but just unsure WHAT I am obviously doing wrong?

will pm you my lat and what I have set up in box just in case

thanks

you cannot save a position in usals on a spiderbox, only in diseqc v1.2

in usals you set your location in motor setup using the green button , set long and lat and save it ,and that is all you do, having added a channel list first ,and then send it to 0.8w on bbc world news or btv or the music channel, so it sends the motor to the correct point

now leave it and move the motor and dish elevation only until you get 0.8w, then tighten it up and test other satellites

if you then switch to diseqc v1.2 you adjust using the remote control until you again peak the signal on 0.8w and then save it to the motor

now when you switch from usals and back again the motor should not move

then switch back to usals and check the other sat positions

[spudorange]

ramjet can you pm or email me please and I will detail my settings on box.

I can not pm you and I don't want to post my settings up on forum

thanks

[mdt]

Thanks I did all that and now have 90% on usals & 1.2 but when I send it around I lose everything else.

Yo check I sent neighbours one which is 30 feet away, round to 42e and it shows about -22 deg (bottom in)

Sending mine to 42e jams it against the pole and can go no further, way past his inclination of minus 22deg.

So we have two identical systems 30 feet away.

His points around 22 deg, mine points to about 32 deg
His on 42e about -22 deg and perfect. Mine just tilts head over til it hits scaffold bar, hence no picture as incline has to be out.

YET I could not get anything when I have the incline the same has his working system.

I just know it's wrong and getting a strong signal on thor does not help when I move it to another

Happy to go back to square one but just unsure WHAT I am obviously doing wrong?

will pm you my lat and what I have set up in box just in case

thanks

are you sure you have set the motor setting on the lat markings and not the elevation settings on the opposite side.. can you not post some pictures of your dish as they will help us,regards mdt

[dick b]

you dont have to say exactly where you are just tell us the town/city and then the lat/elevation setting for the motor can be given from that.(but it could be simply that your dish is not central on the motor spigot hence you can only recieve the sat you set up on)

[spudorange]

Thanks

am in Birmingham and set it up as

000.1 west
54.2 n

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Just to clarify things I have now ran a cable from my neighbours and get everything spot on from his dish.
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motor is "almost" absolutely plumb on spigot, looking up from ground I suppose it is a tiny tiny bit off plumb when at 1 deg west and clear signal.

The reason I say almost is that it probably got tweaked and is a "fraction" out in all the messing about I have been doing.

When I send it to 28.2 it shows different to the fixed one & different inclination & angle to next doors dish.

I have included photo's to hopefully help.

I am convinced it's to do with the incline.

When sent to 28.2 and single stepped each way I get nothing so I believe it is the inclination causing the arc to track "out of range"

Not slow on the uptake so this is really doing my head in.

you don't have to say exactly where you are just tell us the town/city and then the lat/elevation setting for the motor can be given from that.(but it could be simply that your dish is not central on the motor spigot hence you can only receive the sat you set up on)

[dick b]

hello mate your coordinates for birmingham should be 1.8W and 52.5N(latitude 54 puts you above York) the 52.5N needs to set on both the motor and in the usals section of the STB and will not need altering.the 1.8W needs putting in just the box and may need fine tuning once set up. the mounting pole(the pole between the T&Ks)must be checked all round with a spirit level for 100% plumb and the dish must be 100% central on the motor spigot you dont stand a chance otherwise. I"ll try and do a sketch and edit it in later

heres some pics of an old setup

[ramjet]

as dick_b says your details seem to be 2 degrees or so out on both long and lat

you need to do as he says and start again, I am further north than you and yet my details are nearer the mark than yours

I am not saying this will cure your problems but clearly you havent got the foundations right before getting to second floor level, and then wondering why the walls look similar to the tower at pisa

it also begs the question as to how come your neighbours can be correct if you were using these incorrect coordinates and settings ?

as for your pictures, it needs better pictures that are close up than the above are, cannot really see what is happening or how the dish is mounted to the motor or the motor to the pole from those far away pictures (I know its hard given where it actually is)

my pm is always switched off and never gets switched on for anybody ! I dont care what their reasons are, use the forum is my motto, and if it cannot be said on the forum then its shouldnt be said at all

but as mentioned above your approximate location is good enough, like birmingham or wolverhampton etc

it doesnt have to be as precise as your own postcode