spiderbox 9900 motorising problems

[spudorange]

EDIT: my mistake (typo)

I was on 52.4 (not 54.2) BUT on .01 not the required 1.8
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Thanks to both of you, knew something was out

will retry with new settings and post up

as dick_b says your details seem to be 2 degrees or so out on both long and lat

you need to do as he says and start again, I am further north than you and yet my details are nearer the mark than yours

I am not saying this will cure your problems but clearly you haven't got the foundations right before getting to second floor level, and then wondering why the walls look similar to the tower at pisa

it also begs the question as to how come your neighbours can be correct if you were using these incorrect coordinates and settings ?

as for your pictures, it needs better pictures that are close up than the above are, cannot really see what is happening or how the dish is mounted to the motor or the motor to the pole from those far away pictures (I know its hard given where it actually is)

my pm is always switched off and never gets switched on for anybody ! I dont care what their reasons are, use the forum is my motto, and if it cannot be said on the forum then its shouldnt be said at all

but as mentioned above your approximate location is good enough, like birmingham or wolverhampton etc

it doesnt have to be as precise as your own postcode

[spudorange]

Ok thanks, I did the following

changed the setting to 1.8 and left it 52.4 (excuse previous typo)
Checked level on the pole of which previous dish had been professionally installed, tweaked it slightly to 100% plumb.

I then tweaked the dish (usals) and got 98% on meter
I then put on 1.2 and tweaked remote and saved.

Solid signal on both usals and 1.2 now on thor.

Spinning around to any other sat means I get nothing as before.

Will post some better pictures up later if wished.

[ramjet]

ok , so at least you have a start position

so what motor and model is it you are using ?

is it the same as your neighbours motor or a different motor altogether ?

does the dish mount on the motor point upwards (like a stab) or downwards (like a darkmotor) ?

is it a triax dish and what model and size is it ?

what elevation is the dish now set to on the eastern side ?

post some pictures if you can with better close ups like those dick_b posted

ps:- include pictures of it on thor too so we get an idea of your midpoint setup that works

[ramjet]

as its a nice day I have just been out and took some close ups of my td110 dish, on a darkmotor superior, on a scaffold pole (using T-K brackets)

it is pointed at 0.8w thor so its almost pointing due south towards YOU

if you look closely at the bottom of the motor spigot and the back of it you will see the "crease" where I have also added black marker to ensure the dish mount is central on the spigot with its fixing bracket straddling that back crease to ensure its "in line"

on the dish mount you will see black marker indicating 27.5 which is where the triax markings are placed (looking at the eastern side), and the dark motor is set to my latitude which is a bit north of you

you will also see everything is "in line" too from right to left, where left is due south, in picture 3

this "in line" is as crucial as the pole being plumb (which mine is)


hopefully studying these photos may show you your error or errors in lining up your equipment, as when pointing at thor your setup should be similar to my photographs

I too am using a spiderbox on usals and my usals is correct for my postcode, and thats the only settings necessary for usals

hope that helps you

[digicon]

Tell you what Ramjet thats a nice clean setup all the bolts cut and tidied up very nice but do my eyes deceive me whats going on with the dark motor looks almost two tone you might start a new trend off.

[ramjet]

Tell you what Ramjet thats a nice clean setup all the bolts cut and tidied up very nice but do my eyes deceive me whats going on with the dark motor looks almost two tone you might start a new trend off.

LOL

just to clarify , I have added extra lock nuts to all the bolts, and cap nuts too, to protect the threads, and I vaseline them once a year too

if you look closely you will also see an O ring below the motor on the scaffold pole, stops it slipping down when you adjust the motor mount
you can use a car exhaust bracket for this but mine is a split ring collar

as for the two-tone, you are quite right so have good eyesight

after seeing my last 2 motors start to rust on the exposed metal on the side those trees are, this year after installing the new motor and lnb I also got some hammerite gloss black spray paint, and on a day like today with no wind I cleaned the metalwork with a cloth etc and then its had a few sprays of hammerite, mainly from the trees side towards the camera (so due east)

its actually dripped a bit on the east side if you look closely, as I was concentrating on the western side where my weather comes from

so sharp eyed you are, and thanks for the compliment, its appreciated

[spudorange]

[QUOTE=ramjet;1684696]ok , so at least you have a start position

so what motor and model is it you are using ?
Darkmotor superior same as neighbours.

is it a triax dish and what model and size is it ?
Technomate 1050mm

what elevation is the dish now set to on the eastern side ?
52 deg on motor, can not tell on dish as no marker point, just 90,80,70,60 etc.

post some pictures if you can with better close ups like those dick_b posted

Attached

Thanks again

[ramjet]

can you double check that where the dish mount is clamped to the motor spigot that its central and that the rear crease of the spigot is central to the dish mount and its bracket

this has to be lined up exactly and cannot deviate right or left at all, and then when clamped it is never moved or adjusted

any left or right adjustment is done on the scaffold pole where the motor is mounted

also make sure the dish clamp and mount are the correct way round if these could be flipped at all
(I dont know your dish as I use triax and sly ravens)

also, if you put it onto 5 west the darkmotor marking should be close to the central zero point

when looking from below on 5w everything should be in line with the lnb arm at the straight on 6 o clock position

the only difference between your setup and mine is the dish, so I believe we have to look at the dish, its attachment to the darkmotor and how you have aligned them

[spudorange]

Thanks

it got dark so I stopped, gonna try fresh tomorrow.

cheers

can you double check that where the dish mount is clamped to the motor spigot that its central and that the rear crease of the spigot is central to the dish mount and its bracket

this has to be lined up exactly and cannot deviate right or left at all, and then when clamped it is never moved or adjusted

any left or right adjustment is done on the scaffold pole where the motor is mounted

also make sure the dish clamp and mount are the correct way round if these could be flipped at all
(I dont know your dish as I use triax and sly ravens)

also, if you put it onto 5 west the darkmotor marking should be close to the central zero point

when looking from below on 5w everything should be in line with the lnb arm at the straight on 6 o clock position

the only difference between your setup and mine is the dish, so I believe we have to look at the dish, its attachment to the darkmotor and how you have aligned them

[digicon]

Just had a proper look at your Photo's especially the 0.8? west from the ground ones, to me its moved the dish to far it should only move slightly off centre that looks almost like 4.8? east to me.

You need to reset the motor to '0' either by doing it in the menu of your receiver or by taking out the receiver lead on the motor hold the 2 buttons in for 10 seconds replace cable and it should reset.

Once done go back to receiver and move to 0.8? west again and check first how far the motor has moved from the zero it should be only slightly off.

[ramjet]

change to diseqc to reset it in the receiver

[spudorange]

Thanks guys

left it for a complete days as it was annoying me.

Don't usually have too much trouble with stuff but if I start off wrong, which I obviously have then I can see why I am struggling.

will try again soon and let you know.

all the help is massively appreciated

change to diseqc to reset it in the receiver

[spudorange]

Thanks

annoyingly despite there being a go to centre in manual there seems to be no way of actually finding that in the menu.

It shows it in destruction manual but can not access it.

popped a 7000 on and it has that facility on that box but I'm buggered if I know where they hid goto on the 9900

Gonna do a reset at motor as you suggest, but leaving it for a bit, bolts are starting to stretch now so want to do it right next time.

cheers

Just had a proper look at your Photo's especially the 0.8? west from the ground ones, to me its moved the dish to far it should only move slightly off centre that looks almost like 4.8? east to me.

You need to reset the motor to '0' either by doing it in the menu of your receiver or by taking out the receiver lead on the motor hold the 2 buttons in for 10 seconds replace cable and it should reset.

Once done go back to receiver and move to 0.8? west again and check first how far the motor has moved from the zero it should be only slightly off.

[dick b]

as digicon has said those pics of yours with the dish at 0.8W look way out,I"m at 0.4 west and these pics are with the motor at 0.8West and you can see everything is nearly in line.
if you do take it all down and start again the motor can be reset on the bench and you can play with the "go to reference"settings in your box.and get the motor right before putting it back on the pole.try and do the set up with a box that you are totally familiar with.

[ramjet]

have to agree with the above with is why I mentioned all this being straight north to south (in line) at say 0.8w or at say 4w or even 5w

the point being that it should be in line and straight when pointing due south which should be somewhere between 2w and 4w from birmingham (0.8w is 1 degreee east of brum) and yet it looks more aslant to me on that 0.8w position in his picture, its like the whole motor needs turning to the left on the scaffold pole and the dish mount to come more to the right so it all lines up

I did ask for closer pics like the rest of us have done and not these far away pics where not a lot can be seen

I appreciate its difficult due to the height and position of the dish and motor but if we cannot see it we cannot really help either

one reason myself and dick_b have posted close ups in the 0.8w position is to emphasise how critical this in-line business really is , the dish mount on the motor spigot being a case in point, using the manufacturer crease or welding lines as a guide for centrally mounting the dish mount to ensure its pointing due south when it should be