what's the weakest transponder for glasgow on the 28.2e 28.5e satellite spectrum ?

[ijwia]

and what is some of its channels

i have a marginal dish (yeah i know should get a bigger one but until then )

this is a fixed postition dish and also not the best location for satellite but theres nothing i can do about it

(neighbours trees and and house is situated in the middle of a rising hill so is awkward)

gonna have to look at a cable solution for my friend otherwise as the tv coverage from normal terestrial ariel is bad aswell due to extremely poor weather rain and winds

i figure if i align the dish for the weakest channels on 28e i will automatically get all the stronger ones !!! well thats my logic and i think it's a sound one

maybe others agree or disagree if so could you help us out ???

cheers

[happy_highlander]

Just set it up for the strongest possible signal on any transponder m8. You will get what you get. You may not be able to receive anything from a weak tp so could waste hours trying to set up dish to get something on it. The strongest signal you can get on any tp will give you the strongest signal across the board.

[ijwia]

Just set it up for the strongest possible signal on any transponder m8. You will get what you get. You may not be able to receive anything from a weak tp so could waste hours trying to set up dish to get something on it. The strongest signal you can get on any tp will give you the strongest signal across the board.

that cant be true mate cause i set it up on bbc e4 main channels and some like sky sports are getting terrible fluctuations on the signals

for e.g. sk sports 1 is fluctuating from 40% through to tops 60% on quality whilst the signal intensity is 84% can watch it at times but the picture does break up and freeze
sky sprts 1 hd is worse its fluctuatign from 20% to 35% tops and is unwatchable with pricture and sounds always broken up or sometimes frozen

the weather admittedly is admittedly poor but then it aways is in glasgow north boooooo

and as i said its a marginal dish probably 55cm or less circular (not measured it) piece of crap from lidl

so figure of i can get the poorest quality signal channels at a highest signal!!! then i will most likely get all the strong signal ones

remember this is fixed 28e dish so not needing or looking to move dish

cheers guys

[digicon]

The Signal intensity or in other words the AGC (Automatic gain Control) is just basically the signal strengh and your tuner regulates this as to not overpower the incoming SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)

The SNR or Quality is the important factor as your AGC could be around 30% but your SNR could be at 80%

Concentrate on the quality and forget about the Signal intensity

[ijwia]

yeah im not explaining myself properly

the hardest channels to get is what im looking for the ones that give out the weakest signal from the satellites in the 28.2e 28.5e region in space

my logic is that if i set my settop box to one of these weak channels then tune the dish into this weak channel to get the best and strongest Quality of signal on this channel, then when i tighten up the nuts and bolts, the rest of the channels on 28.2 and 28.5 will be tuned in too! as they are giving out the stronger signals in any case!

please someone tell me they understand me and what i'm trying to do

[Nutsandbolts]

Hi. probably nothing to do with weak or strong signals but the way your setup is. Why dont you try and tweak your dish/LNB to see if pictures improve. The reason most people have picture problems is to do with dish alignment being incorrect in the first place or dish not big enough.
Regards.

[ijwia]

thats exactly what i am trying to do bud

tweak the dish my moving the dish up down left and right ever so slightly

but because the tv is in the house i cant keep checkign the tv signal as i cant be in 2 places at once

so i have a rising bar signal measurer/beeper but i need the correct weak outputting channel to set the tv too

and if i get the best strongest quality signal on that weak channel then i can tighten the dish up and i will get all the rest of the better channels which are usually stronger (does that not make sense)

[happy_highlander]

It does make sense m8 but what we are saying is once you have the best possible snr reading on any channel that's as good as it gets and dish is aligned. What box are you using ???

[ramjet]

the answer to the original question should be in the special sticky thread at the top of this forum

[ijwia]

It does make sense m8 but what we are saying is once you have the best possible snr reading on any channel that's as good as it gets and dish is aligned. What box are you using ???

i knew i was either describing this wrong or using the wrong words or something arghhh the use of the word signal for example arghhhh

it's a cheap and chearful skybox s9 she's had it a few years now and although it aint got all the bells and whistles its a solid little box, locks up now and again but switching it off at the back and back on sorts it

i dont know where to get the snr figure mate ?

i have 2 barometers of success on the skybox s9

the signal intensity which is easy to attain a 84% signal on

but the most important and main one is the

signal quality indicator whch needs to be reasonably high to have a defect free picture and sound

so a weak channel with best signal quality i can get will give me all channels in a watchable state with this 55cm 60 cm dish

[happy_highlander]

What I'm getting at is any channel with the best signal quality you can get is the best you can get regardless of tp strength. Drag the tv and box to a bedroom window near the dish so you can see it and run a short bit of coax from dish to box just as a temp connection and fiddle away. Or wait till it's not raining (big ask I know) and take the box and tv outside if you don't have a window near enough

[ijwia]

What I'm getting at is any channel with the best signal quality you can get is the best you can get regardless of tp strength. Drag the tv and box to a bedroom window near the dish so you can see it and run a short bit of coax from dish to box just as a temp connection and fiddle away. Or wait till it's not raining (big ask I know) and take the box and tv outside if you don't have a window near enough

hmmm

ok mate i bow to your superior knowledge

i set it up the other day on the strength of what i thought was a strong signal quality on the meter and using bbc and e4

but later found out that i was getting a poor signal on sky sports 1hd and sky sports sd and other sky sports channels and movie channels as well as others that's when i realised i had done it wrong, or thought i had done it wrong! by aligning the dish to strong signal main channels like bbc1 e4 channels

now when i done this over a year ago i'm sure i set it up on true movies or something like that can't remember which

but it meant that all the channels i could scan in to the skybox had a signal that was strong enough to give error free sound and vision i.e. the dish alignment was optimized

i'll ask in another way

what is the channel most severely affected by rain in the north of england or in scotland ? more affected than any others ?

but anyways

[happy_highlander]

Ssp2 is usually fairly low and you are not likely to get much higher than 65% on your size of dish in your area. A fairly low fta is cnn (news) roughly the same as ssp2 So if you peak your signal on either of those channels you should be good to go

[mdt]

forget signal strength and use signal quality. use 11.222.H.27500 to peak the signal(cbs action). some of the 12GHZ txp,s were even weaker but they have been taken over by ASTRA 2F now so are booming in. make sure the skew is optimised aswell seeing as you are using a standard off-set 55cm dish and normal universal lnbf. regards mdt

[ijwia]

thx guys we got there in the end

entirely my fault for not explaining myself using the correct terminolgy

i was ofcourse allways talking about the signal quality aka SNR but confused everyone here by talking about signal strength at the same time

so

Signal Intensity means = AGC = Automatic Gain Control

and

Signal Quality means = SNR = Signal to Noise Ratio

ps

sorry for confusing you guys by using confusing terminology