Motorised dish set up (elevation question)

[spudorange]

Thanks

I have managed as mentioned to use another dish where I know the setting are correct (it's just the motor setting I am unsure of)

Now however I have a different problem regarding that motor so am posting separate as it is a completely different topic

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f11/darkmotor-supreme-problems-441242/#post2384216

will re up those pictures

Links don't work.You can tell which is latitude,as mentioned earlier,the dish goes up as the number of degrees goes down.
The picture posted the other day of you mate's dish scale,showed it up-side down.With it like this if you increased the elevation degrees the dish will go down,this is wrong ,for elevation .Same with the motor elevation scale,as the degrees goes up the dish should go up.Cheers

[spudorange]

hopefully the pictures are now available

[markwi]

The motor scale is Latitude,as the dish goes up the latitude goes down,and is set to 54?(every division is 2?) .The scale on the other side will be Elevation and read 36?.
I don't understand the scale on the dish.Is this a dish/motor combination that worked for all satellites visable?I'd ignore the scale if so.I guess you know that any combination of motor and dish setting will work,so long as you get a signal,for one satellite but won't for all satellites..Mine doesn't even have a scale on it,just a marker.Cheers.

[dick b]

see pic for settings and refer to previous answers but get the motor working reliably 1st

[spudorange]

Thanks

Have brought back a spare spiderbox 7000 and that is not moving the darkmotor, pressing east and west then connecting cable accepts reset and sends itself back to 0 deg so the motor
is kinda working .

Gonna try and get a mate who does it full time over bacause on one hand I don't see how it's the motor but on the other why would the boxes not move it?

will post as soon as I know more

see pic for settings and refer to previous answers but get the motor working reliably 1st

[spudorange]

Managed to get the motor running correctly now (don't ask) however I am experiencing some strange things (to me anyway)

Using Usals with 52.5 & 1.8 and with the motor sitting on my tv cabinet, connected to spiderbox I went through and tweaked each sat then tested some,
on 28.2 despite my manually setting it each time it keeps moving to 32 deg, however when I selected diseq 1.2 it returned to correct place Why please?

I also connected it a medi@box and that did weird things, go-to 0 worked fine then I sent to 0.8 and it went to 50 degrees east ????

so will leave that alone for a bit as it will only confuse things and keep playing with this spiderbox 7000 before trying on his blade 7000.

[markwi]

That should be 52.5N & 1.8W(or-).I use USALS and it's much easier than Diseqc 1.2.When you manually adjust the horizontal position of a satellite by the remote,the system goes from USALS to Diseqc so then you would have to,maybe adjust all the other sats.How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?
So,setup for USALS with the above latitude and longitude,don't forget to Save.Then send the dish to the most southerly satellite to you.Then horizontally adjust the the motor mount on the pole to get the maximum signal.The other satellites should be ok if you have a perfectly vertical pole.Good luck.Cheers

[spudorange]

The problem just got a whole lot worse and will follow this post with my woes.

Q. How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?

I know the motor is moving to 32 degs because it is sitting (disconnected from dish) right in front of me next to box so as it spins from 0 to 28.2 for instance I can see where it finishes. (32 deg in usals)

That should be 52.5N & 1.8W(or-).I use USALS and it's much easier than Diseqc 1.2.When you manually adjust the horizontal position of a satellite by the remote,the system goes from USALS to Diseqc so then you would have to,maybe adjust all the other sats.How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?
So,setup for USALS with the above latitude and longitude,don't forget to Save.Then send the dish to the most southerly satellite to you.Then horizontally adjust the the motor mount on the pole to get the maximum signal.The other satellites should be ok if you have a perfectly vertical pole.Good luck.Cheers

[spudorange]

This motor thingi is really doing my head in and until I can get that right I can go no further.

With just the motor and a 1 metre cable I can send it to 0, I can send it east & west with the remote etc fine. (however where I am testing it in garden I need 18 metres).

I dug out a 10 metre of white (works fine), add a 4 metre of white (works fine), add another 5 metre of black and will only respond from the unit itself, not the remote.
I cut off a fresh 18 metre section of black co ax and same thing happens, no response via box & remote.

Opened up a brand new 305 metre roll of white and cut 18 metres off that, yippee all is fine so I attach to dish and onto pole then I send it to 0, then to 28.2,
then back to 0 (except it would not shift) stuck on 28.2 unless I use the east/west buttons on the motor itself.

Obviously it is not colour related, but was clutching at straws when I tried the new roll of white.

Weird but it seems that up to 12 metre of cable run is ok, anything above is iffy or a no go.

I have used his blade 7000, my Spiderbox 7000 & a Medi@box

Trying to work a common denominator here so starting to suspect intermittent fault in the motor itself.

anyone have any thoughts please?

[markwi]

The problem just got a whole lot worse and will follow this post with my woes.

Q. How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?

I know the motor is moving to 32 degs because it is sitting (disconnected from dish) right in front of me next to box so as it spins from 0 to 28.2 for instance I can see where it finishes. (32 deg in usals)

What do you see?Is it the azimuth scale on the motor that goes to 32??
The cable length problem could be related to the fact you don't have an lnb connected,but that is just a guess.If you've eliminated the cable then I would suggest it's the motor.

[spudorange]

I am looking at the motor itself (not the attached side bracket with calibrations), it has 0 at the bottom and then in 1 degree increments both sides, so using diseq 1.2
it goes exactly to 13 deg, 28.2 deg etc. on usals it goes past by a few degrees for some reason.

However the bit you mention about no lnb when I selected usals could be right as that was definitely just the motor & short cable to box when I found that it was moving past 28.2

again thanks for help

Just can not get my head round why it works with longer cable sometimes and other times not, but always works on a short cable.

What do you see?Is it the azimuth scale on the motor that goes to 32??
The cable length problem could be related to the fact you don't have an lnb connected,but that is just a guess.If you've eliminated the cable then I would suggest it's the motor.

[markwi]

The rotary scale on the motor is not a scale that shows longitudinal satellite position.You need to use this calculator to figure where the motor goes to Satellite Finder - Satellite Az-El Calculator to help point your dish .If you put your long/lat figures in,select the satellite and press calculate you get angle that the motor goes to when using USALS,for Astra 2,33?(Polar Mount Axis Rotation) .
You are putting the longitude in as West? Not sure about the cable length problem.Like I said yesterday if you have a lnb fitted and you tried a new length of cable plus you get the same result with 2 receivers(?) then it's probably the motor.Strange though.

[Nutsandbolts]

Hi If motor is moving then its nothing to do with cable from receiver to motor. It could be problem at LNB end ie check LNB cable is working. If using 1.2 to move dish then your latitude figures dont matter as 1.2 is a manual search and find method. Also check frequencies are correct otherwise you wont get a signal. If using USALS and it goes past the satellites then just re-align dish manually on a satellite and recheck . If you are in London give me a PM and will sort it out if you want.

Regards

[spudorange]

Hi there, sadly no I am in the midlands but thanks for offer.

Motor is moving using short cable but not a longer one for some reason.

Until I can sort out what is happening there, I can not even consider elevation etc

Going to try once again to get a so called "mate" over who seems un contactable all of a sudden

cheers

Hi If motor is moving then its nothing to do with cable from receiver to motor. It could be problem at LNB end ie check LNB cable is working. If using 1.2 to move dish then your latitude figures dont matter as 1.2 is a manual search and find method. Also check frequencies are correct otherwise you wont get a signal. If using USALS and it goes past the satellites then just re-align dish manually on a satellite and recheck . If you are in London give me a PM and will sort it out if you want.

Regards

[spudorange]

Thanks for that info

strange though that if I am using diseq and select 45 deg it goes EXACTLY to that point

will update once I can get this motor movement sorted

The rotary scale on the motor is not a scale that shows longitudinal satellite position.You need to use this calculator to figure where the motor goes to Satellite Finder - Satellite Az-El Calculator to help point your dish .If you put your long/lat figures in,select the satellite and press calculate you get angle that the motor goes to when using USALS,for Astra 2,33?(Polar Mount Axis Rotation) .
You are putting the longitude in as West? Not sure about the cable length problem.Like I said yesterday if you have a lnb fitted and you tried a new length of cable plus you get the same result with 2 receivers(?) then it's probably the motor.Strange though.