16 east

[notluckyuk]

Hi,

I am quite new to this but confused about this sat 16e.

When i set my system up 4 weeks ago i had all the sat's from 30w to 42e and all worked good averaging 80% str across. But now 16 e some times does not show any channels.

if some could explain if this is my fault or not that would be good.

[benny/9]

Hi,

I am quite new to this but confused about this sat 16e.

When i set my system up 4 weeks ago i had all the sat's from 30w to 42e and all worked good averaging 80% str across. But now 16 e some times does not show any channels.

if some could explain if this is my fault or not that would be good.

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do you mean the channels some time dont open on 16e?
or that the channels have disappered from the list
also it would help if you gave your dish size, what receiver
cards or cams your useing etc: also there are a lot of weak tp's
on 16e that need a large dish to get a strong signal

[notluckyuk]

I live in morth Manchester, but its OK SOb answered my question in another post. I am having problems posting and logging into this forum.

This is the info SOB found.

"W3B
W3B will be based on the Thales Alenia Space 4000 platform. Due for launch in third quarter 2010, it will be located at 16? East.

Designed for an operational lifetime of 15 years, W3B will offer significant flexibility to operate a wide range of services from TV broadcasting to professional data networks and broadband access, in Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, Africa and the Indian Ocean Islands.

Hosting over 350 TV digital channels in more than 17 languages, 16 degrees East is one of the leading orbital positions for broadcast in Central and Eastern Europe and, via its steerable beam, it is a prime video neighbourhood for the islands in the Indian Ocean. These markets are experiencing solid growth, in particular in Central and Eastern Europe where cable and satellite reception has grown at a double digit rate over the last four years. " taken of the Eutelsat website.

Eutelsat satellite fleet :: Upcoming launches

[sob1467]

Just to let anybody know who likes to watch satellite launches that E3B (16 East) will be launching between 9:51 pm and 11:01 pm on October 28, 2010 (times are GMT)

You can watch the live launch using this link
Arianespace

It will also be live on Hotbird under the frequency
11604H 27500 5/6
Tagged as Launch W3B. Its got a moving testcard on it.

[sob1467]

Just a reminder that the launch will take place in an hour and a halfs time.

[fac51]

Amazing what they do for us all so we can watch live 3pm footie

[dave-h]

W3B declared a loss

EUTELSAT STATEMENT on LOSS OF W3B SATELLITE



Paris, 29 October 2010
Eutelsat Communications (Euronext Paris: ETL) announces the loss of the W3B satellite following an anomaly which was detected on the satellite’s propulsion subsystem after its launch by an Ariane 5 rocket.



W3B was scheduled to be located at 16? East to replace Eutelsat’s EUROBIRD™ 16, W2M and SESAT 1 satellites. With the loss of W3B, the three satellites will now remain in full service at 16? East until the arrival of W3C, whose launch is on track for mid-2011. Eutelsat will also immediately initiate a new satellite programme, called W3D, for a planned launch in the first quarter of 2013.



Michel de Rosen, CEO of Eutelsat Communications, commented: “The loss of W3B is a disappointment for Eutelsat and for our customers. We share it with our partners, in particular Thales Alenia Space and with the insurance community. Our attention is now focused on delivering the W3C satellite to 16? East in mid-2011 and on initiating a new programme to compensate for this loss.”



Eutelsat is fully insured for the investment in W3B, which guarantees that the Group does not incur any direct financial loss. The non-availability of W3B does not change the financial guidance issued by the company on 30 July 2010.

EUTELSAT HOT BIRD 6 BROADCASTING SATELLITE LOFTED INTO ORBIT BY ATLAS V ROCKET

[Manic01]

Reposted so all can see.
EUTELSAT STATEMENT on LOSS OF W3B SATELLITE



Paris, 29 October 2010
Eutelsat Communications (Euronext Paris: ETL) announces the loss of the W3B satellite following an anomaly which was detected on the satellite’s propulsion subsystem after its launch by an Ariane 5 rocket.



W3B was scheduled to be located at 16? East to replace Eutelsat’s EUROBIRD™ 16, W2M and SESAT 1 satellites. With the loss of W3B, the three satellites will now remain in full service at 16? East until the arrival of W3C, whose launch is on track for mid-2011. Eutelsat will also immediately initiate a new satellite programme, called W3D, for a planned launch in the first quarter of 2013.



Michel de Rosen, CEO of Eutelsat Communications, commented: “The loss of W3B is a disappointment for Eutelsat and for our customers. We share it with our partners, in particular Thales Alenia Space and with the insurance community. Our attention is now focused on delivering the W3C satellite to 16? East in mid-2011 and on initiating a new programme to compensate for this loss.”



Eutelsat is fully insured for the investment in W3B, which guarantees that the Group does not incur any direct financial loss. The non-availability of W3B does not change the financial guidance issued by the company on 30 July 2010.

[sob1467]

Theres a video of it launching and a news story about its failure to make it in the bbc website this is the link:

BBC News - Eutelsat suffers spacecraft loss

[dave-h]

Plans under way to de-orbit W3B

UPDATE
PARIS — The Eutelsat W3B satellite launched Oct. 28 was declared a total loss following discovery of a sizable leak in its fuel reservoir and ground teams, as of late Oct. 29, were preparing a maneuver to send it into the atmosphere to be destroyed, Eutelsat and satellite builder Thales Alenia Space.

Starting Nov. 1, the 5,370-kilogram W3B will be guided toward an atmospheric re-entry, probably above the South Pacific Ocean, industry officials said. The procedure will likely force Eutelsat and Thales Alenia Space to work with regional maritime authorities to clear a corridor in the South Pacific for any W3B debris that might survive atmospheric re-entry.

W3B ground teams on Oct. 29 determined that the fuel leak aboard the satellite is so serious that it was not feasible to attempt to place the spacecraft in geostationary orbit, and then to push it into a graveyard orbit at least 250 kilometers above the geostationary arc 36,000 kilometers over the equator.

Europe’s Ariane 5 ECA rocket, in what appeared to be a smooth flight, placed W3B into a transfer orbit with a perigee of 249.2 kilometers and an apogee of 35,907 kilometers, which was the satellite’s intended destination.
From this transfer position, spacecraft use their own power to circularize their orbit in the days following launch to reach final geostationary position about 36,000 kilometers over the equator.

W3B ground teams spent much of the night of Oct. 28-29 debating whether it would be possible, or advisable, to conduct the series of firings of the satellite’s on-board engine needed to raise the spacecraft into a graveyard orbit. That option was rejected later in the day Oct. 29 when the assessment of the extent of the fuel leak hit home.

What remained unknown as of late Oct. 29 was the cause of the leak. Emmanuel Grave, Thales Alenia Space executive vice president for telecommunications satellites, said the leak in the oxidizer tank is too large to have escaped notice as the satellite was being prepared for integration into the Ariane 5 rocket alongside Japan’s BSat-3b satellite, which was launched at the same time and is reported in good health. That would suggest that the reservoir was somehow damaged after it was placed under the Ariane 5 ECA rocket’s fairing.

Grave refused to speculate on what might have happened between that time and the moment W3B was released in orbit, saying a board of inquiry would be established to review the telemetry from W3B and from the Ariane 5 rocket.
Teams from Thales Alenia Space and Paris-based Eutelsat tracking the satellite after its separation from the Ariane 5 upper stage from a control center in Rambouillet, France, duly noted that it sent the expected signals once in orbit. But soon after, the satellite’s telemetry also disclosed a leak in the propellant system that is so large that there is no hope of squeezing even a limited commercial life from W3B.

Grave said the priority now is to determine how best to dispose of W3B. From transfer orbit, the spacecraft is not within radio contact of ground teams for long periods. Decisions must be made as to how much fuel life is available, and whether that fuel should be used to raise W3B’s perigee to provide a more-stable orbit, or guide it into a controlled destructive atmospheric re-entry, perhaps over the South Pacific Ocean.

Thales Alenia Space officials have experience in this type of maneuver, having been forced to send their Astra 1K satellite, owned by SES of Luxembourg, into the atmosphere after the malfunction of a Proton rocket upper stage in November 1995.
Grave declined to speculate on what caused the leak beyond saying it must have occurred after the launch. He said the components used are not new, and that nothing in the satellite’s monthlong preparation at the French Guiana spaceport suggested an issue with the propellant reservoir.

An official with the Arianespace launch consortium said the company will be reviewing launch telemetry in detail but that, after a first view, the launch did not appear to encounter any special stresses as the rocket climbed through the atmosphere and sustained the usual period of maximum dynamic pressure on the vehicle.

In an Oct. 29 statement, Eutelsat said it will immediately order a new satellite, to be called W3D, as a result of the loss of W3B. The company will also keep at their current location at 16 degrees west the three satellites that W3B was intended to replace.
A nearly identical satellite, called W3C, is under construction at Thales Alenia Space and scheduled for launch, aboard a Chinese Long March rocket, in mid-2011.

W3B was insured as part of a $2.5 billion, seven-satellite package secured by Eutelsat in 2008. It is the second satellite in this group to suffer a major anomaly, following the W2M spacecraft, which had a solar array problem and is operating at reduced capacity.

Pending the results of the W3B failure investigation, the smooth countdown for the 39th consecutive Ariane 5 success makes it more likely that Evry, France-based Arianespace will be able to conduct the two next Ariane 5 missions as scheduled in late November and late December. Completing six flights before it closes its 2010 accounts is important for the company, whose financial equilibrium has been upset by launch delays of flights that have placed a seven-launch year beyond its reach.

W3B, a Spacebus 4000C3 satellite frame, carries 53 Ku- and three Ka-band transponders and was designed to produce more than 12 kilowatts of power at the end of its 15-year life. It was to have replaced the Eurobird 16, W2M and Sesat 1 satellites at the 16 degrees east slot. These three satellites then would have been redeployed to other locations.
In addition to serving Eutelsat’s 11.2 million television homes in Central Europe, W3B’s beams were to focus on Mauritius and Reunion islands in the Indian Ocean, and on sub-Saharan Africa. The African coverage was to provide cellular-telephone backhaul and Internet access.

W3B initially was intended for launch aboard a Chinese Long March vehicle. Eutelsat switched to Ariane, and transferred its Chinese launch reservation to another Eutelsat satellite, when a temporary shortage of certain made-in-Europe components raised questions about whether W3B as launched would be “ITAR-free,” meaning devoid of U.S. parts prohibited for export to China.

The BSat-3b satellite, built by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, uses Lockheed Martin’s A2100 satellite skeletal structure and an example of how light this satellite frame can get. BSat-3b weighed just 2,060 kilograms at launch and carries 12 130-watt Ku-band transponders. It will be added to BSat’s fleet for direct-to-home television and operate at 110 degrees east.



Eutelsat W3B Declared Total Loss Plans Under Way To Deorbit Craft | SpaceNews.com

[mdt]

thats 2 different satellites intended for 16east that have suffered problems, bad luck or what?? alot of us sat enthusiasts were waiting on the new bird at 16east to be deployed as it had a better footprint/signal strength here in the uk. maybe third time lucky? regards mdt

[dave-h]

Eutelsat will not attempt to deorbit W3B

PARIS ? The Eutelsat W3B satellite declared a total loss less than 24 hours after its Oct. 28 launch because of a leak in its propulsion system will spend the next 20 to 30 years in its parking orbit following ground teams? inability to guide it into a controlled atmospheric re-entry, satellite manufacturer Thales Alenia Space said Nov. 5.
The company said that it has rendered the satellite inert to the extent possible ? emptying its helium pressurization tank and whatever fuel remains in liquid state and can be discharged, as well as draining its batteries ? to minimize the likelihood that W3B explodes on contact with any orbital debris it may encounter in its elliptical orbit.
The satellite, which weighed 5,370 kilograms at launch, developed a large leak in a line delivering oxidizer to the propellant tank at some point between lifting off aboard an Ariane 5 ECA rocket from Europe?s Guiana Space Center in French Guiana, and when it was released into orbit...


Eutelsat Will Not Attempt To Deorbit Failed W3B Satellite | SpaceNews.com