DM800hd clone or Vu+ single?

[rossi2000]

ahh cheers sat shop didnt realise there was a usb port on the front

id luv a duo but funds are limited plus i'm selling my spiderbox so them funds go to the solo

[alunfennell]

Absolutely not on the VU+ no, you'll find the tuners on the VU+ SOLO and DUO are superior to the genuine DMM tuners

Rubbish New version Tuner card on the 500HD boasting a Broadcom Control Chip Increasing signal sensitivity and stability, Moving away from interchangable tunercards from Aps and Philips.

If I were to choose between a DM800 and a SOLO then I would go with the SOLO without doubt, based on the hardware, performance and price.

Price Yes ! performance No, the Processor is older and Weaker than that of the New Dreambox 500HD, the Solo & Duo are trying to make up for the receivers short comings by Adding more Memory 384MB and tweaking the system architecture, In compter terms its over clocked......

Would I hold off for the DM800-SE? Personally no, I wouldn't even consider it to be honest, yet another over priced, poorly made receiver from DMM (most likely after all I've only seen the prototype which to be fair is just another black box to see at the moment so I base this on all previous experience with genuine DMM receivers).

Thats your opinion, Dream are a well made receiver, Over priced yes, but use are still More powerfull and use the Latest Processors than that of Vu+ who are still using an older Cheaper version of the Broadcom Processor .

You can read about the significant differences between both Processors Here
Vu+ Duo use the Older BCM7335 bcm7335 - Cuil
Dreambox 500HD use the BCM7405 BCM7405 - Cuil

I had the last DM500HD back for yet again failing to boot (common problem - have a read up on it

The Boot fail which by all accounts was experianced by only Small number of Customers, and can be fixed with the latest Dreamup by connecting both LAN and Null Modem Cable (at the same time) and following a few short procedures, if one experiances the Issue where the Dreambox can not get the DHCP IP address from the Router.


I would not expect anything else from someone like you who is in the Trade and Selling these receivers, There might be a Better profit in th Vu+ range than that of the Dreambox, because Dream set there own Prices which Normaly stands for the Life of the Receiver with very little fluctuation, where the Vu+ can be bought cheaper as the size of the Shipment would determine a Cheaper price for a Retailer.

There is very little between these receivers, You have to be Honest, and I am sure if Vu+ had an open forum on there official website we would see plenty of Customers with Issues, But they are hidden away between Retailers & Vu+ RMA, Vu+ make a good receiver with the older materials they source, and Dream chose to use that more expencive Materials that reflect in there price.

Other than that there is nothing between the Solo & the Dreambox 500HD, the Duo can not be compared as Dream do not make a receiver equivalent.



Ps: the Dreambox 500HD comes with no USB port, But a Simple Mod and you can run One Internal USB port for Wifi and One external port on the Rear if required, The rear port is not so much needed as an external Esata Hard drive can be pluged in Directly to the Esata port on the rear of the Receiver.

[Sat-Shop]

Alun it's fairly pointless we getting involved in a debate because I would never convince you one way and you convince me the other, I have given my opinions and reasons for my opinons, you give yours, that's fine, I guess back to the original question though a DM800 clone or a VU+ SOLO I think we could both agree on that, NEVER go with the clone!

I personally would still choose a VU+ SOLO over a DM500HD or DM800 (clone or original), I am infact though using the DM500HD I had back in my bedroom now and yes it is working well, we won't though be selling any more DMM products in the future unless I can be convinced otherwise, and this stems not just from the quality of the product but from the support us as a reseller can expect to receive and the UK distributor we would be forced to buy from, so yes maybe I look at it from a slightly different view than an end customer, but just one point I would like to pick you up on, I can assure anyone, and I think our customers will back this up that I would never suggest one receiver against another based on the profit we are liable to make, sure we're here to make money, we are after all a business, but mis-sell a product just to make a few extra pounds? No thanks that's not us or what we are about and in the long term I don't think it'd do us any favors anyway?

[alithegreat]

I m thinking of getting the DUO, but can anyone please tell me which image shall i download and from where. Do i download the dm800 images for this box

[alunfennell]

Alun it's fairly pointless we getting involved in a debate because I would never convince you one way and you convince me the other, I have given my opinions and reasons for my opinons, you give yours, that's fine, I guess back to the original question though a DM800 clone or a VU+ SOLO I think we could both agree on that, NEVER go with the clone!

I personally would still choose a VU+ SOLO over a DM500HD or DM800 (clone or original), I am infact though using the DM500HD I had back in my bedroom now and yes it is working well, we won't though be selling any more DMM products in the future unless I can be convinced otherwise, and this stems not just from the quality of the product but from the support us as a reseller can expect to receive and the UK distributor we would be forced to buy from, so yes maybe I look at it from a slightly different view than an end customer, but just one point I would like to pick you up on, I can assure anyone, and I think our customers will back this up that I would never suggest one receiver against another based on the profit we are liable to make, sure we're here to make money, we are after all a business, but mis-sell a product just to make a few extra pounds? No thanks that's not us or what we are about and in the long term I don't think it'd do us any favors anyway?

I am not getting into a Debate with you either, But there is no need for scaremongering, you prefer the Vu+ solo-Duo over the Dream receivers, Thats grand leave it that way.

But stop rabbiting on about another receiver and Stating Flaws or problems with other models of receivers which a Lot of people have bought and have nothing but Highest of prases for !

You have your preference, I have mine ! but the Differance is I Have not said one bad word against the Vu+, You made several comments against the Dreambox receivers a few are unfounded or over elaborated on (Nothing more than scaremongering).

And of all people You should be giving imparchal advice as one of dream-multimedia official retailer in the UK and Listed on the Dream website

I am sure the people over a Dream would love to read your comments on the Dreambox 500HD, the 800HD & the shredding personal review you are giving there products over a competing receiver, which is still nothing more than a Clone at the end of the Day.....

There is very little Differance between the Dreambox 500HD and the Solo and any imparchal advise would state that....

[Sat-Shop]

There is very little Differance between the Dreambox 500HD and the Solo and any imparchal advise would state that....

No that I agree on, I don't think I've ever said there is, there is no doubt some plus and minus points for BOTH receivers, I have no problem in saying that, I have just given my choice and my reasons why, but at no point suggested there is a massive difference between either receiver as such.

I am choosing to post no more on this thread, if you want to follow up feel free, if you don't that's fine, I've said all I need to, bottom line is the choice is left with the person purchasing at the end of the day, if any of our customers ever want to come over I'm more than happy to show them the DM500HD, SOLO, DUO and whatever else we have at the time running side by side..... And then sell them a Spiderbox :P No seriously I have no problem in showing the customer what they want to see and let them make up their own minds which is why perhaps you take what a write the wrong way, I don't set out to purposely slate any one receiver against another, I just give advice based on my experience and give a little follow up as to what the experience is, more to show it's not just an off the cuff comment with no basis, but if someone chooses to take the advice or not is totally up to them, and on that note, night all

[the man]

has it got full internet on it like on a pc? or just app like internet

[alunfennell]

Its your Business at the End of Day M8 ! And how you opperate and advertise is soley your own Strategy.

I know every dealer who applys for dealer rights for Dream-Multimedia Products are NOT successful, and many applications (Stores etc) are declined or rejected, It Just surprises me how little respect you give the Dream receivers over the Vu+ range, when you hold the status of Official Dealer in the UK along with only one or two others.

The Vu+ receiver is pretty good by all reports and has been very well received by the community and so it should continue.

But at the end of the day the Vu+ Duo is made by Korean by Marusys who make the Kathrein receivers most notably the UFS910 they also manufacturer a high percentage of OEM Linux receivers that are on the market.

Dream-Multimedia would State the Vu+ are nothing more than Clone and Lable them as such as its been sold out of Jinhua Yuen Tung Import & Export Ltd in China alone the same route as all the other Clone Dreamboxes coming into Europe.

For an official Dream Dealer to indorse another receiver over his official Dealership certification in this way (Bad mouthing General Ouality, Tuners, Boot Issues, Power , Personal opinion ) is all disrespectable in my opinion....

You being a Certified Dealer I am sure you have Terms and Conditions signed between yourself and Dream-Multimedia and some sort of Code of Conduct for holding the Title as such.

[Sat-Shop]

I said I won't reply on this thread again, and to do with the topic in hand I won't, but as you've chosen to take this down the route you have I feel one last response is required.

Its your Business at the End of Day M8 ! And how you opperate and advertise is soley your own Strategy.

Correct it is, but responding in this thread wasn't considered advertising to me, it was to answer the original question.

I know every dealer who applys for dealer rights for Dream-Multimedia Products are NOT successful, and many applications (Stores etc) are declined or rejected, It Just surprises me how little respect you give the Dream receivers over the Vu+ range, when you hold the status of Official Dealer in the UK along with only one or two others.

We are an official dealer now are we? Great do you think you could tell DMM that please? You are talking again on a topic you clearly know zero about! No one 'applies' to be an 'official dealer', the one and only thing you can apply for is to be listed on the DMM website, and that's all it is, listed on website, it doesn't make you any more of an official dealer than anyone else you are just applying to be listed as a reseller, it doesn't mean you deal with DMM direct or anything, it's just a listing. And for your information we were removed from the DMM website months and months ago at the request of SMSSAT, they have asked for us and others to be removed, this is the kind of distributor we have to deal with here in the UK, one that will sell you the products in one hand and the other go behind your back and have you removed from the manufacturers website, now you tell me would you want to deal with these people?

The Vu+ receiver is pretty good by all reports and has been very well received by the community and so it should continue.

And so it will I'm sure...

But at the end of the day the Vu+ Duo is made by Korean by Marusys who make the Kathrein receivers most notably the UFS910 they also manufacturer a high percentage of OEM Linux receivers that are on the market.

Correct the receiver is manufactured ultimately in the Marusys factory, VU+ is a standalone company though and it would be these you or I deal with, or more likely now the official distributor in our respective countries. I don't think it's really of any relevance what other brand receivers have or haven't been made by Marusys in the past.

Dream-Multimedia would State the Vu+ are nothing more than Clone and Lable them as such as its been sold out of Jinhua Yuen Tung Import & Export Ltd in China alone the same route as all the other Clone Dreamboxes coming into Europe.

Completely incorrect, as ever you are commenting on something you know nothing about! They are NOT a clone Dreambox (see third party image groups and the VU+ official website for more details or check out the so called 'official DMM dealers' websites where you will see they are happily now selling the VU+ as well, are you suggesting the 'official' DMM dealers are selling clone receivers) and they do NOT ship from or sell from China, so on both points you are totally wrong. I have the business card here still from when we met VU+ earlier this year when they came over to the UK to see us, they ARE Korean and they ARE based in Korea.

For an official Dream Dealer to indorse another receiver over his official Dealership certification in this way (Bad mouthing General Ouality, Tuners, Boot Issues, Power , Personal opinion ) is all disrespectable in my opinion....

As already pointed out to you we are not an 'official Dream Dealer' and there is not and never has been anything like an 'official Dealership certification'. But even if there were such a thing, so you are saying that if we were an 'official Dream Dealer' I should lie or not mention to customers about my experiences with DMM products because it's disrespectable to DMM?

You being a Certified Dealer I am sure you have Terms and Conditions signed between yourself and Dream-Multimedia and some sort of Code of Conduct for holding the Title as such.

You are totally and uterly wrong about this whole Certified Dealer, signed agreements, codes of conduct etc. Where do you get it all from? Alun I'm afraid that before this last reply I had a little respect for your replies because you appeared to have some knowledge on the subject matter, but after this last reply it's quite clear you're so out of touch with exactly how all the dealerships, the imports and everything else works. You really must stop commenting on topics you know nothing about Alun, it's quite laughable to me who does know the truth but my only worry is someone who's new to all this might come along and actually beleive some of the rubbish you come out with.

[Manic01]

At last someone who can prove he waffles on about nothing he really knows about.

[alunfennell]

Aaaah so now you have answered my question after all ! and it makes total sence ! SMSSAT have basicaly taken over as Official dealers from Back-Street dealers who were lucky enough to fulfill some of the criteria to hold the Title of Dream-Multimedia authorized Dealers.

This is why you are all ecstatic about the Vu+ and trashing the Dream-Multimedia receivers throughout your previous post which I questioned you over; if you had stated previously you are basically dumped as an Official Dealer, then I would have understood first time around .......

and they do NOT ship from or sell from China, so on both points you are totally wrong. I have the business card here still from when we met VU+ earlier this year when they came over to the UK to see us, they ARE Korean and they ARE based in Korea.

Do I need to say More ? Yes they do get sold out of China & from the same Centers Clone Receivers are been sold out of Prodomently Zhejiang Jinhua Yuen Tung Import & Export and I can get you a load more if you like ???

China
Vu+ Duo HD Twin Tuner PVR Linux Receiver products, buy Vu+ Duo HD Twin Tuner PVR Linux Receiver products from alibaba.com
Hong Kong
VU+ Duo products, buy VU+ Duo products from alibaba.com

Official Dealership certification'. But even if there were such a thing, so you are saying that if we were an 'official Dream Dealer' I should lie or not mention to customers about my experiences with DMM products because it's disrespectable to DMM?

It called Loyalty, which by all accounts you do not have ! if you are selling something but have to trash & bad-mouth something else to make it seem better, both of which you are still selling in your Store, makes you look like an compleat Idiot !

If you have a Boss, Owner, Shareholders or indeed a Manager (Of which I do not know if you actually are any of the above) and caught someone online trashing products there supposed to be selling, what would you think ?

Certified Dealer and Certification

I dont realy care M8, if you had or had not to any signed Contracts thats probably why SMSSAT are now Certified Dealer's and no longer you , I am sure they (SMSSAT) have all the Documentation in order......After they squeased you and a few others out of the way......

I Live in Germany and I can tell you even the slighest of and arrangement between two Partys results in documentation, As its one of the most bureaucratic Countrys in the World, and to tell me you got Nothing ?

Manic01 Pick the right side of the fence before you make any comments, because if this Guy was selling stuff for you on your website and Store, Would you want him trashing a High Value item for a Cheaper one ? at the End of the Day ! worse is He stocks Both Products


So you got Fuc! over by SMSSAT hence the reason for trashing the Dreambox over the Vu+ ! At least thats a more satisfactory reply than your first and People can read it for themselves.

A disrumpled Dealer pushed aside by a Bigger fish, Trashing a Product he once was an Certified Dealer for, Now telling the world what poor quality product and how much he hated the Dreambox over his new love the Vu+ !

You really must stop commenting on topics you know nothing about Alun, it's quite laughable to me who does know the truth but my only worry is someone who's new to all this might come along and actually beleive some of the rubbish you come out with.

Its you who is the Joke, And I saw it for read throught his Thread ! and I think its pretty much evedant now why ! .............

[Sat-Shop]

Alun you can do all the baiting you like, which is quite evident you have now resorted to, you lost your argument, it was proved you were spouting on a subject you clearly knew nothing about and clearly still don't.

That will be my final say in this thread, I have no need to comment further

[Manic01]

Alun has been found out to know nothing , took one person with the correct knowledge and you have been seen for what you are! Someone who justs blows smoke!
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Manic01 Pick the right side of the fence before you make any comments, because if this Guy was selling stuff for you on your website and Store, Would you want him trashing a High Value item for a Cheaper one ? at the End of the Day ! worse is He stocks Both Products

I don't have a website or store mate. i am independant.
I would rather have someone telling me the truth than trying to sell me something just because it has a profit in it.

Satshop has a good rep, yours sadly dwindles by the day.

[samoloko]

I personally would still choose a VU+ SOLO over a DM500HD or DM800 (clone or original), I am infact though using the DM500HD I had back in my bedroom now and yes it is working well, we won't though be selling any more DMM products in the future unless I can be convinced otherwise, and this stems not just from the quality of the product but from the support us as a reseller can expect to receive and the UK distributor we would be forced to buy from, so yes maybe I look at it from a slightly different view than an end customer, but just one point I would like to pick you up on, I can assure anyone, and I think our customers will back this up that I would never suggest one receiver against another based on the profit we are liable to make, sure we're here to make money, we are after all a business, but mis-sell a product just to make a few extra pounds? No thanks that's not us or what we are about and in the long term I don't think it'd do us any favors anyway?

sat-shop

would you please compare tuner of VU duo/solo (are they same) with DM500HD
which Is better - I heard that new ones got bettered
I have db5600 with very rubbish tuner LG-S

[jonc22]

Am looking in to upgrading soon as my old dreambox 500 is starting to play up. I think I'v finely narrowed it down to the Vu duo or Solo but to say pennys think ill end up getting the Solo. Just wanted to know is there much differers between